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I have been reading with interest all of the thread discussion about leaving D* for FIOS and claimed quality differences between the two, with White Knights for both. As one of the few Forum members to actually have both services (two houses), here's my overly simplistic view for anyone interested:

Overall rule: If you are a sports fan, D* is The One-go no further. Just get D* and keep it. If you need or want good receiver boxes or DVRs, remotes or software interfaces, go no further. Stick with D*. Otherwise, read on.

1. FIOS has a better picture, transmits a higher bit rate and full resolution HD (we can only SEE this difference on our one, newest 1080p set, not on our other sets), has more HD channels (basically all of the national ones), better customer service, more competent installers, does not need multiple cable runs for dual tuners, has no incredibly onerous service commitments worth thousands of $$$$s, doesn't need anything on your house or roof, does not make you pay the capital cost for leased equipment and generally makes you SO HAPPY you switched. And, all at a price generally about thirty dollars a month less for comparable service with more channels (Premier D* package with HD and four boxes vs. ALL channels and HD from FIOS with three HD DVRs). You don't need to plug your boxes into a phone line to start it or keep it, either.

But, FIOS is available to very few and makes an incredible mess in your neighborhood and yard putting it in. FIOS also has audio dropouts, complete losses of service like Comcast did, horrible antique tuning boxes and remotes from Motorola using five year old technology, crappy interfaces, undersized DVR hard drives, and non codeable remotes incompatible with multiple box systems or multi-box programming for whole system remotes like Harmonys or other sophisticated controllers. FIOS boxes do not tune, nor integrate, OTA via your antenna.

You can diminish a lot of gripes about FIOS by buying two or three Series 3 HD TiVos and paying through the nose for boxes and monthly programming. What a great deal that is......

2. DirecTV has the best sports packages on the planet, covers most everywhere, has overall decent service, way fewer outages and dropouts, superb interfaces, better remotes, completely superior tuning boxes and DVRs, is more compatible with custom installations and multiple box systems, and DirecTV offers far more HOPE. (okay, some say via completely false, or misleading, or deceptive statements about HD and programming advances).

But, DirecTV costs more every month (way more) and delivers less, has customers essentially sign a $2500 promissory note to get a $300 box installed (two years programming), slams customers with leased stuff and service commitments even when they say otherwise, blanks out in rainstorms and requires three wires for every DVR with local OTA.

Generally, I'd say if you are a sports fan, or if you need a really good DVR, or remote, or interface menu, or software, or if you have any kind of a sophisticated system (even as simple as having two TiVos or boxes in one room or on one rack), DirecTV is an easy choice.

As is usual in most cases, you can argue either side. The grass is always greener. In general, most people in our neighborhood switched when FIOS became available here, but most switched from Comcast or Time Warnerer as Comcast's successor, so they are ALL happy. The three people I know who switched from DirecTV are mixed. They like the service, superb picture and sound, the lower cost, the great installers and customer service. But, they hate the loss of TiVo, or even the HR 20, programmable or assignable remotes, good menus, 250 gig recording capacities, and reliable transmission service.

The above is an over simplified view, but don't automatically assume the FIOS grass is all that green. I hate DirecTV, but we still have it in one house because it's the only system with hardware and software sophisticated enough to work in our whole house system. Overall, they are not all that bad, but a lot of people get irritated with someone they live with for a long time and start looking for someone better.

Just my view. Others may differ. I for one like the competition, becuase it usually results in better stuff for the consumer. What I'd like to have would be FIOS with D*s sports, hardware and software, with FIOS pricing.
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Correctomundo, Gentlemen. Verizon, strangely, does contract with D* to be included in their Triple Play package in areas where Verizon has no fiber optics, and you do get a separate bill from D*, but small breaks on the overall service costs. Otherwise, I'm also not aware of any affiliation between the companies. We stopped getting mailers from Verizon to sign up for D* when they wired our neighborhood for FIOS.

I'm guessing this strange alliance will fade away as Verizon slowly becomes an effective competitor. Fiber optics is a powerful technology, but the cost and time it takes to wire up is substantial, harder even than launching satellites on French rockets...

The debate about which service is better is endless-each has something to recommend it. You remain aware of all the flaws of the service you have, but may discover some new problems with the service you switch to.

Did I also add that FIOS internet rocks and is lightning fast upstream and down, for less than cable?
K
Thanks for the comparison HC & others. I have D* for the football like most people but Time Warner and Verizon FIOS are both new options here and are hounding me with great offers. Very tempting. My bill with premier, HD, locals and 5 HR20's is more expensive but you have convinced me that for me it is the best option.
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Kikkenit2: If you have a season ticket to pro football, or if you are an RSN addict, there really is no comparison to D*'s service and I'd recommend you keep it. The cost of D* is certainly way less than buying season or individual tickets to the actual games, for sure!

If you do switch, Verizon FIOS is so much better than cable it's not even worse discussing the differences, and it is the lowest cost of any of them (and likely to remain so at least until Verizon becomes a big player).

Generally, if you are not a sports package person and you do not need a really sophisticated receiver box or a DVR with loads of capacity, FIOS is a really easy choice. But, Verizon had to cut corners somewhere, and they did it with their crappy and obsolete boxes. If you have five HR20s (!!!) or the Hughes HR10-250s, know that Verizon boxes cannot compete at all. (except you run way fewer coax cables around)

Did you know that Verizon boxes have ONE remote code which works ALL of them? This means that if you set up RF or IR repeaters, or if you have two boxes near each other, any remote will control every box. Eeek! Also, their boxes do not integrate or tune over the air programming, a real drawback to those of us with antennas which get ALL the digital channels available locally, including the weather radars (a benefit which really came in handy last night in Central Texas!!)

I am certainly no White Knight for D*, but they deserve credit for some things they do very well, like sports and hardware.
K
Kikkenit2: If you have a season ticket to pro football, or if you are an RSN addict, there really is no comparison to D*'s service and I'd recommend you keep it. The cost of D* is certainly way less than buying season or individual tickets to the actual games, for sure!

If you do switch, Verizon FIOS is so much better than cable it's not even worse discussing the differences, and it is the lowest cost of any of them (and likely to remain so at least until Verizon becomes a big player).

Generally, if you are not a sports package person and you do not need a really sophisticated receiver box or a DVR with loads of capacity, FIOS is a really easy choice. But, Verizon had to cut corners somewhere, and they did it with their crappy and obsolete boxes. If you have five HR20s (!!!) or the Hughes HR10-250s, know that Verizon boxes cannot compete at all. (except you run way fewer coax cables around)

Did you know that Verizon boxes have ONE remote code which works ALL of them? This means that if you set up RF or IR repeaters, or if you have two boxes near each other, any remote will control every box. Eeek! Also, their boxes do not integrate or tune over the air programming, a real drawback to those of us with antennas which get ALL the digital channels available locally, including the weather radars (a benefit which really came in handy last night in Central Texas!!)

I am certainly no White Knight for D*, but they deserve credit for some things they do very well, like sports and hardware.
Thanks for the advice and I totally agree with you. I don't watch live tv so the performance of the dvr is critical to me. The installer is running the 9th and 10th cable to my living room right now. He freaked out when he saw my setup. That is my next project, figuring out how to get these RC34 remotes to do 5 discrete remote codes. Right now I cover up the sensors with cardboard because hitting channel up turns on the other boxes! Hopefully some day D* will match verizon's HD video quality but until then I choose HD content over quality.
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Kickenit:

Check this Forum and dbstalk.com for ideas about your remotes. One of the things I like about the HR10-250 and other TiVo units, now unavailable from D*, is that you can code the remotes for up to nine codes. I only use two, for side-by-side TiVos, but custom installers have long appreciated this feature.

I think that the D* remotes can be coded for two or three boxes using some combination of the AV1, AV2 and D* switches, but I'm not sure. Try this link and see if any of the info there helps you:

http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=60&f=112
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Gonna Send You Back To Georgia (A City Slick) - Timmy Shaw
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Detroit Rock City - KISS
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We Built This City - Jefferson Starship
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Built For Comfort - Omar & the Howlers
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On a Bicycle Built for Two [originally "Daisy Bell"] - Nat King Cole
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DIRECTV Stream/Internet added Ch 4105 SportsGrid
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Now live:
4101 Yahoo! Sports Network
4121 DP World Tour
4195 F1 Channel
4196 MotoGP Channel
K
Now live:
4275 Law & Crime
4364 Military Makeover Channel
K
Game Show Central is now live on channel 4342
K
Now live:
4101 Yahoo! Sports Network
4121 DP World Tour
4195 F1 Channel
4196 MotoGP Channel
It only took them 41 days to announce it
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Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in Movie Talk
Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma
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View: https://youtu.be/9j3vxhzM8MY?is=Rs1cY1FQAiRWi87i


Come September (1961)
Rock Hudson and Gina Lollobrigida with Sandra Dee and Bobby Darin
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1791758462355.webp


Simple, charming. Entire premise is quite silly but Cary Grant carries it across the line in good fashion.
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Last: The Social Reckoning. Spoiler alert, they make Zuck look like a...
Foxbat
Since it was already "paid" for, I spent the two hours of my time watching the John Cena action movie on Apple TV, "Matchbox The Movie" even though the reviews were brutal. It was better than I expected, so I didn't feel like I had wasted an afternoon watching it. But it felt like another "Reacher"/"Neghley"/"Mission: Impossible"/"Fast & Furious" crash and blow stuff up with lots of automatic gunfire mixed in movie featuring covert CIA operatives.

I don't think we'll get a follow-up movie from this. I expect Mattel will have other toy lines to exploit.
"MysteryMan"
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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PISTONS and THUNDER are finally testing on the stream server. PISTONS is showing the Ion/Scripps Sports promo loop filler that their NHL and WNBA feeds have, THUNDER has a "You are watching Thunder+" slate

The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.

The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.

So far nothing testing for the Bucks, Magic, Hawks or Hornets.
K
The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.
West Palm Beach is getting it on WTCN-CD/43 MNT. Still nothing for Fort Myers


Also, the Thunder's deal for KSBI/52 OKC and KQCW/19 Tulsa will be via a special cable and DIRECTV only feed of those stations. OTA viewers and Dish customers will be limited to 10 games.
dtv757
Thanks for the updates on CW norfolk
Hopefully comes to sat soon!!
dtv757
Not seeing 44 (WVBT-DT/44 CW Norfolk ) on my D* app for firestick
K
It's only available for streaming customers, they still haven't added that batch of CW stations to satellite.

Even if it was, satellite customers still can't stream their CW affiliates via the app, just the Big 4, select PBS stations and some independents (mainly the ones that have full season NHL/NBA rights)
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WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
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Bobby
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
Bobby
NASCAR, Freeway Insurance 500, Sunday 10-18, 12PM PDT, Channel 148-04.
Bobby
CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
Bobby
CFB, Ole Miss at Texas, Saturday 10-24, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
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CFB, Indiana at Michigan, Saturday 10-24, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, BYU at UCF, Saturday 10-24, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
rvvaquero
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.
M
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Can we expect to see a new coach if we say "pretty please?"
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Jeeez, Week 6, no lead is safe…
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Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.
Yes the Cowboys owner needs to fire the general manager (himself), co-owner, Chief Operating Officer (COO), Executive Vice President, Director of Player Personnel, and President of AT&T Stadium (his son) and then he should jump off of a cliff. Only then can they recover.
rvvaquero
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
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I was a devout Cowboy fan in the Landry era, grudgingly gave Jimmy his due, since then not so much, the Jones family took care of that...
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dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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dishstaller
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.
harshness
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.
On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.
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A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic),
Both non-ethanol and prem run about the same....buck more. When we were up in TN it was a buck more up there as well.
harshness
In Oregon, our premium boat gas is about a dollar more than our corn premium. Several stations only offer the non-corn premium grade.
Bobby
Regular$5.899​
Premium$6.299​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
dishstaller
Diesel is all over the place around here. Saw it yesterday from $5.37 to $6.17...not sure what the obsession was with ending in 7
dfergie
$4.09 - $4.29, real gas $4.69...