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I have a friend who lives at an apartment complex with pre-installed wiring in all the rooms. He recently had DishNetwork installed on 4 of his TVs, and the installer rigged the lines from the dish through the cable box, so as to use the outlets already in the walls of his room, and so (presumably) the installer wouldn't have to run a bunch of new lines and drill holes, which is forbidden by the complex managers.
Yesterday, the local cable company (Time Warner) came out and cut the lines from the dish into the cable box. Apparently, the technician from the cable company claimed that they not only own the box, but all the cable lines running into the complex.
My questions is, was it illegal for the Dish technician to use the pre-installed lines into the complex, even though the landlord gave explicit permission for him to do so? Is the only way to have new holes drilled into the building, which is going to be very difficult for him to do?
UPDATE:
The cable company came out and pulled the lines going to the particular apt back outside of the box, so Dish hooked the system back up and it works fine.
What you all have told me about the lines and ownership however is fairly interesting. Around here (Moscow Idaho) it seems as if 3rd party contractors are used most often for cabling, so the managing company "owns" the lines, so to speak.
Yesterday, the local cable company (Time Warner) came out and cut the lines from the dish into the cable box. Apparently, the technician from the cable company claimed that they not only own the box, but all the cable lines running into the complex.
My questions is, was it illegal for the Dish technician to use the pre-installed lines into the complex, even though the landlord gave explicit permission for him to do so? Is the only way to have new holes drilled into the building, which is going to be very difficult for him to do?
UPDATE:
The cable company came out and pulled the lines going to the particular apt back outside of the box, so Dish hooked the system back up and it works fine.
What you all have told me about the lines and ownership however is fairly interesting. Around here (Moscow Idaho) it seems as if 3rd party contractors are used most often for cabling, so the managing company "owns" the lines, so to speak.
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Yes they own the lock box, but I highly doubt the cable company owns the lines within the multi-dwelling unit.
I've been in the situation before where the only means was to put the dish near the cable lock box to use the pre wire or the job would not go. Initially I said it couldn't be done, but then after talking with complex management, they stated they owned the lines, for me to unlock the box (yes I have many keys, 5-star, spring key, Red-Dot, Gilberts, etc) and to take the prewire coming into the box and reroute to a ground block outside of the box. I did not cut any lines, especially the drop coming in, all left in tact. I even did the favor of terminating the drop appropriately to prevent leakage. If you go in there and start hacking lines apart you are definately asking for trouble.
I had advised Comcrap would probably gripe, I was told don't worry about it, and nothing, I repeat nothing has ever came back. Did I cross a line? Perhaps, but that is a risk I took, so is the risk that comcast did giving me the tools the short term I contracted with them. I hate comcast so I don't care. It didn't really matter due to the fact the MDU lock box was never locked to begin with, many of them never are, at least in my area. I'm about having a choice as to who your television provider is. I don't steal, nor do I condone bootlegging cable tv. I have the option to do it where I reside, but I have dish and I pay for it.
Every situation will be different, but if the property management explicitly owns the lines after the lockbox then there is nothing the cable company can do but whine. Granted there will probably be some hurdles to overcome and bases to cover, but that is whats going to happen in this type of scenario.
If the cable company had some situation whereas they prewired all of the units during construction, then I'd be willing to bet they actually down own the lines within, but if done by electrical contractor during construction, I would say otherwise.
If anything I'd make sure TWC would be backcharged for the service call to hook the lines back up, provided everything was clean to begin with, just the same as in my area Comcast would backcharge for a tech cutting a drop, etc.
On a side note; I know quite a few people that work for Comcast... it's funny when you see a Comcast/Dish guy sitting down having lunch together in uniform.
I've been in the situation before where the only means was to put the dish near the cable lock box to use the pre wire or the job would not go. Initially I said it couldn't be done, but then after talking with complex management, they stated they owned the lines, for me to unlock the box (yes I have many keys, 5-star, spring key, Red-Dot, Gilberts, etc) and to take the prewire coming into the box and reroute to a ground block outside of the box. I did not cut any lines, especially the drop coming in, all left in tact. I even did the favor of terminating the drop appropriately to prevent leakage. If you go in there and start hacking lines apart you are definately asking for trouble.
I had advised Comcrap would probably gripe, I was told don't worry about it, and nothing, I repeat nothing has ever came back. Did I cross a line? Perhaps, but that is a risk I took, so is the risk that comcast did giving me the tools the short term I contracted with them. I hate comcast so I don't care. It didn't really matter due to the fact the MDU lock box was never locked to begin with, many of them never are, at least in my area. I'm about having a choice as to who your television provider is. I don't steal, nor do I condone bootlegging cable tv. I have the option to do it where I reside, but I have dish and I pay for it.
Every situation will be different, but if the property management explicitly owns the lines after the lockbox then there is nothing the cable company can do but whine. Granted there will probably be some hurdles to overcome and bases to cover, but that is whats going to happen in this type of scenario.
If the cable company had some situation whereas they prewired all of the units during construction, then I'd be willing to bet they actually down own the lines within, but if done by electrical contractor during construction, I would say otherwise.
If anything I'd make sure TWC would be backcharged for the service call to hook the lines back up, provided everything was clean to begin with, just the same as in my area Comcast would backcharge for a tech cutting a drop, etc.
On a side note; I know quite a few people that work for Comcast... it's funny when you see a Comcast/Dish guy sitting down having lunch together in uniform.
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Thanks for making us all look like thieving douchebags. Even if they nailed your paycheck for those, its still stealing. One more reason I quit installing.
Thanks for making us all look like thieving douchebags. Even if they nailed your paycheck for those, its still stealing. One more reason I quit installing.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.
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To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.
Actually it looks like there are a lot of features new or updated, although most are on a gradual rollout schedule.
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KB5127936 Windows 11 Cumulative Update Preview build 26200.9818 (25H2) and 26300.9818 (26H2) - Oct. 28
Microsoft Support: This cumulative update for Windows 11, versions 26H2 and 25H2 (KB5127936), includes production-quality improvements. Announcements and messages This section provides key notifications related to this release, including announcements, change logs, and end-of-support notices...
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Since the Reds have there thread we should too!
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Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma
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Apparently I'm not a big enough nerd
since I did not read every Marvel Comic Book ever published. If I had, I might be comparing the comics' version of events compared to what's transpiring in "Visionquest". So, I am enjoying the series a lot, not weighed down by previous expectations, knowing only the Avengers MCU movies and the "Wandavision" / "Agatha All Along" TV series.
I found the Mr Know-it-All channel from his discussion about "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" and he's been gleefully picking these episodes apart, referencing the Marvel comics from the 1939 on. Turns out A.I. has been around since before World War II, at least in the comics. (Robots before that, yes, yes.) This show is going back into the archives.
since I did not read every Marvel Comic Book ever published. If I had, I might be comparing the comics' version of events compared to what's transpiring in "Visionquest". So, I am enjoying the series a lot, not weighed down by previous expectations, knowing only the Avengers MCU movies and the "Wandavision" / "Agatha All Along" TV series.I found the Mr Know-it-All channel from his discussion about "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" and he's been gleefully picking these episodes apart, referencing the Marvel comics from the 1939 on. Turns out A.I. has been around since before World War II, at least in the comics. (Robots before that, yes, yes.) This show is going back into the archives.
I thought they were effectively releasing a longer episode 7 and 8 instead of shorter episodes 7 & 8 this week and 9 & 10 next week. It felt like they were packing more into this episode.
edit: But you're right, the run time of the first three pairs of episodes was 100 minutes on average. Episode 7 clocks in at 65 minutes.
After a strange reboot last night in the middle of viewing, this morning several more reboots and about a half an hour download.
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This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.
As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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Hmmm, Apple iCloud appears to be missing from the Internet. Attempting to connect yields:
Plus, lots of prompts to enter my iCloud credentials.
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The Apple Support System Status page is showing mostly green now, with Resolved status for the outage that started 17:49 and ended around 19:22 (I guess EST)
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Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.
In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.
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In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.
Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News
Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...
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Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden.
In my local area all underground utilities are under the sidewalk. Of course from there, when entering your property, They are at least 18" in your dirt.Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden.
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My fiber isp put everything in conduit, except for the drop line to the NID and it it buried 10 inchesThats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden.
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My area is very rocky, so there will be no shovels into the lines. Most of the lines were bored and the one's not bored where dug at least 18" deep. Cox had flagged my yard for them to dig up. But the foreman of the crew said he was not going to tear up my grass. He ended up installing the cable across the street at a vacant lot instead and bored the street for my pedestal. The line from the pedestal to my house could be damaged being it is fairly shallow.Thats good, the neighborhood generally look better with buried plant ... until someone puts a shovel into the line planting the Spring Garden.
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No, but it is a coop. I am just a member and subscriber
Really, you Lucky Dog !
Do you Work for that ISP ?
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I was reading this article
thehill.com
That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.
And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.
Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.
There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.
In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.
Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.
Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.
So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households
So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.
That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.
But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.
Imagine what 2024 will be like.
Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022
The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…
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That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.
And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.
Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.
There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.
In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.
Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.
Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.
So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households
So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.
That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.
But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.
Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees.
I thought you might like that.