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bsilvertab
Last reply · posted in Cable Television and Fiber Providers
Hello all,
I am thinking of starting a satellite installing business. I was wondering if anyone has any advise. Also, how much does D and E pay for a new install? Do you have to supply your own install supplys or does the satellite company pay for it? I understand that they don't provide a van or truck, but basic things like cable and coax ends, different things like that.

Thanks,
BSilvertab
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Bob Haller
Customers are demanding even when they are wrong:( Back when I was a dealer a perspective sub called. I checked out their big home. They INSISTED on using their 20 year old R59 with a SW64. I refused, told them they must have all new cable. They got another dealer to do it... A month later they called looking for help. No way fpr me to get paid sorry cant help- Heard the installi g dealer got chargebacked, he deserved it based on stupidity.

You might do a class a job but some other idiot will come along and undercut you....

It was fun being a dealer, but quitting was a big imptrovement
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Soccernut said:
How long it would take to get all of these certifications (I have limited knowledge of computers), and what are the wages and benefits for cable installers in the left coast?
SBCA I&II are a single day affair. If you've done about ten installs of either Dish or Direct and read these boards with attention to detail, you can pass the training and test pretty quickly. Eat, drink, and sleep this stuff and you'll be among the first five out of the room finished with their test.

SBCA III is a two day bang usually with about the same difficulty if you've ever done any cable and paid attention to system distribution concepts such as taps, amps, etc.

ETA Certified Satellite Installer(CSI) is only slightly harder to pass but it is on your own and not in a class. There are endorsements that tack on and if you find that few in DBS even know what SBCA NSTP means, you'll find only a tenth of a percent of them know what this one is.

NCTI certs are much more involved and cover basic electronics, radio and microwave basics, etc., etc., ad nauseam. In cable it is the signal transmission and NOT the variety of BS box that matters. So people who have memorized every Dish receiver are going to be a little taken aback by how techie this is. With approval to take it and a good proctor giving the tests and overseeing your studying, and good studying discipline, you can go through the whole thing in a year or so.

SCTE certs are even more prestigious in a bucking for notice from senior management sort of way and look nice after your name at the bottom of an article you've gotten published in a trade mag. Did I forget that cable has a huge pile of trade mags and DBS doesn't? The kind that executives in ancillary industries read? SCTE isn't that long if you're NCTI Master Installer.

Of course there's the very nice and very applicable BICSI and CEDIA certs as well. If you aspire to impress well-read and very wealthy people looking for qualified custom installation wizards, those look good on your showroom wall near the front door.

State licenses are going to be requiring classroom and/or OJT so you can assume to be working while studying and getting certifications.

If you're one of the few, the proud, no... not the Marines, you might get through with it all. Otherwise, count on wanting desperately to switch careers to anything that doesn't involve coaxial cable. Like naked karaoke or stunt hang-glider pilot. Why? When you take the rules and law seriously and take pride in your work, you will be stressed out daily by the crud you have to put up with from 99% of your coworkers who could care less about doing their jobs right and a management that actually desires the rank and file to be and remain as stupid as possible.
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Wayd Wolf said:
SBCA I&II are a single day affair. If you've done about ten installs of either Dish or Direct and read these boards with attention to detail, you can pass the training and test pretty quickly. Eat, drink, and sleep this stuff and you'll be among the first five out of the room finished with their test.

SBCA III is a two day bang usually with about the same difficulty if you've ever done any cable and paid attention to system distribution concepts such as taps, amps, etc.

ETA Certified Satellite Installer(CSI) is only slightly harder to pass but it is on your own and not in a class. There are endorsements that tack on and if you find that few in DBS even know what SBCA NSTP means, you'll find only a tenth of a percent of them know what this one is.

NCTI certs are much more involved and cover basic electronics, radio and microwave basics, etc., etc., ad nauseam. In cable it is the signal transmission and NOT the variety of BS box that matters. So people who have memorized every Dish receiver are going to be a little taken aback by how techie this is. With approval to take it and a good proctor giving the tests and overseeing your studying, and good studying discipline, you can go through the whole thing in a year or so.

SCTE certs are even more prestigious in a bucking for notice from senior management sort of way and look nice after your name at the bottom of an article you've gotten published in a trade mag. Did I forget that cable has a huge pile of trade mags and DBS doesn't? The kind that executives in ancillary industries read? SCTE isn't that long if you're NCTI Master Installer.

Of course there's the very nice and very applicable BICSI and CEDIA certs as well. If you aspire to impress well-read and very wealthy people looking for qualified custom installation wizards, those look good on your showroom wall near the front door.

State licenses are going to be requiring classroom and/or OJT so you can assume to be working while studying and getting certifications.

If you're one of the few, the proud, no... not the Marines, you might get through with it all. Otherwise, count on wanting desperately to switch careers to anything that doesn't involve coaxial cable. Like naked karaoke or stunt hang-glider pilot. Why? When you take the rules and law seriously and take pride in your work, you will be stressed out daily by the crud you have to put up with from 99% of your coworkers who could care less about doing their jobs right and a management that actually desires the rank and file to be and remain as stupid as possible.
I did find home pages for all the certifications and will be researching it, I now work in the manufacturing business sector and it's very shaky I might need this training in the future, thank you very much for the info. I can see you get great satisfaction from doing a good job and helping your fellow man, don't waste time with the slackers and help the ones that deserve it, it's very good therapy. Again thank you.
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Pay reate

Well it seems that Im a bit lucky compared to alot of other Techs. Im a independent contractor and get 95 per install, 10 per a room, 40 service call, 40 upgrade.
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Well it seems that Im a bit lucky compared to alot of other Techs. Im a independent contractor and get 95 per install, 10 per a room, 40 service call, 40 upgrade.



Looks like you're getting suckered dealtsoul31. I get $100/install, $20 add room, $50 service call and upgrades start at $70 for a 2 room. When I make the next pay grade, I'll make more! Plus, the company I contract for will fill up your gas tank once a week and give you a roll of cable and other small parts once a month. They take care of me and I look out for them!
dfergie
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teachsac
Dang. That had to hurt. I would have not handled it that well. Surprised it wasn't brought up by Heff at the challenge.
dfergie
First rule - if you get a clue follow it immediately, 2nd - keep your stuff with you in a strange place, 3rd - pay attention to your ride... (pre first - don't go if you think you might not want to stay Rob)
teachsac
Loved the tribal🤣
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Happy with the outcome, he was annoying...
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The Rain Song - Led Zeppelin
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Wait (The Whisper Song) - Ying Yang Twins
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I Can't Wait - Nu Shooz
ewindowman
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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nelson61
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Scott Greczkowski
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Can't remember where or who I saw predict this. :D

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Bruce
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
Scott Greczkowski
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Bruce
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
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Nebugeater
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.


Just a guess on my part but there may be some value to aquring to get all the retransmision agreements that are in place even though at some point they need to be renewed
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Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
If Musk really wants to buy Boost, he might get a great price once Dish Wireless is out of Chapter 11.

Boost just lost 182,000 subs in the 3rd quarter-

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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.

Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd​ scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.

It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list. :mad:

Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?
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dishstaller
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
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Methinks you are wrong, Dishstaller - at least for what I see now..
I so wish that functionality was available ...
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I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list
dishstaller
I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list
Like I said.....that has been many years ago. Swapped my 722K for a Hopper in 2012.

It does seem like I remember having to delete the existing channels when we did a rescan. Back then our local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in. Got so bad that I stopped selling OR installing OTAs....something I had been doing since 1984 so you know it HAD to be pretty bad.
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You made one of my points for me with this comment, Dishstaller:

"... local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in ..."
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.


Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.
Howard Simmons
Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.


Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
meStevo
Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').
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Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
Well you see him more because he is incredibly talented. And yes, typically players try to spin things being in their favor. This isn't cricket where sportsmanship (except in Australia) is expected.
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HipKat
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
He wants to be Brady
HipKat
Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').
The only people who deny what Brady got from the officials are Brady fans
gms49ers
The NFL, for some time, has protected the marquee quarterbacks. Brady, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow - they all get the calls.
The lower tier QBs don't seem to get the same benefit. For instance, some of the hits that Darnold took from Chicago on Monday night would have been a flag frenzy if any of the marquee QBs were hit like that. And I am not in any way a fan of anything Seahawks related. I am a fan of balanced officiating - and that hasn't been the case for a while.

My team is not immune to this - Fred Warner laid some vicious hits in the Commanders game that I thought should have been flagged - one was, but they picked it up.

Not a good look on NFL officials.
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Anyone watching IPTV on Amiko 4k s52 UHD ?

I put a bunch of *.m3u files in the root of my USB KEY but Amiko won't try to play them?

No INSTRUCTIONS for this.

Dan
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