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gadgtfreek

Last reply May 23, 2007 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

One Cable for E, Two for D?

Been meaning to ask this but forgot.

How come D* does not have a 1 wire setup for a dual tuner dvr like E*. Seems like itd be the way to go. I had no idea what was up when the E* guy was here because I was used to the two cables for my HR20.

Last time I was with E* it was only a single tuner dvr.

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stone phillips420

May 18, 2007

ahh but dtv needs 2 cables but their multiswitches are zinwell's and some of those can be used for starchoice maybe even fta
the difference is dtv uses standard where as *ish creates their own
in turn *ish prices are very high on every multiswitch they have
1 line is nice, but is it worth the $199 for a dpp44 then using line seperator?
i'd think a bunch of people would say no but also some would say yes

gadgtfreek

May 18, 2007

stone phillips420 said:
ahh but dtv needs 2 cables but their multiswitches are zinwell's and some of those can be used for starchoice maybe even fta
the difference is dtv uses standard where as *ish creates their own
in turn *ish prices are very high on every multiswitch they have
1 line is nice, but is it worth the $199 for a dpp44 then using line seperator?
i'd think a bunch of people would say no but also some would say yes

Ah. Interesting. I see what you are saying 6x8 is $50, DP44 is $119.

BUT, on a single tv install like mine, theres none of that, just the separators, so they may save money. I guess it depends on the install as my D* install had two cables and a 6x8.

stone phillips420

May 19, 2007

thats what i meant, i think you knew that lol

harshness

May 20, 2007

elwaylite said:
I guess it depends on the install as my D* install had two cables and a 6x8.

A proper D* install where OTA is available should have three cables: two for satellite and one for OTA.

D*'s upcoming SWM (formerly FTA) addresses this problem very nicely, but only works with the latest receivers.

It will be interesting to see if Dish has a solution for replacing a house full of TVs wired for cable. Since most are home-runned to a big splitter or DA, I'm not sure that is that important.

dishcomm

May 20, 2007

elwaylite said:
Been meaning to ask this but forgot.

How come D* does not have a 1 wire setup for a dual tuner dvr like E*. Seems like itd be the way to go. I had no idea what was up when the E* guy was here because I was used to the two cables for my HR20.

Last time I was with E* it was only a single tuner dvr.

E* has built in stacking and de-stacking technology..They call it Dish Pro Plus..The stacking is done inside the lnb..The destacking is in the form of a seperator..A DiSEqc one to two seperator....Installed at the receiver..I understand D* is or has a company working on this....

DishSubLA

May 23, 2007

elwaylite said:
Been meaning to ask this but forgot.

How come D* does not have a 1 wire setup for a dual tuner dvr like E*. Seems like itd be the way to go. I had no idea what was up when the E* guy was here because I was used to the two cables for my HR20.

Last time I was with E* it was only a single tuner dvr.

This all goes back to 1999 when Dish acquired almost all the transponders at 110 degrees, a coup that more than doubled Dish Network's capacity (bandwidth, if you prefer) to offer even more channels. Although Dish's intent for 110 was to use vast majority of the bandwidth for LIL (as it is today), the innovative decision was made to cease the installation of Dish 300 systems (looking only at 119) and install only the new Dish 500 (looking at both 119 & 110) as the standard for all future installs. This strategy gave Dish Network great flexibility in arranging channels among the two satellites for best advantage in a seamless manner that customers were never aware. At first, only new channels for the then AT 150 would be uplinked exclusively to 110, so as not to have lesser AT subs lose channels. However, over the years, often due to bandwidth constraints at 119 Dish has taken advantage of the dual satellite system by moving a few channels from 119 over to 110 without affecting the vast majority of subscribers, but those very few still with a Dish 300 were provided a free Dish 500 upgrade. Dish vigorously promoted upgrading to the Dish 500 in those early days. They really wanted everyone to have a Dish 500 and had a fair upgrade to do so for a long time. While the cynical reason has to do with making it easier for people subscribe to the more expensive AT150, Dish needed the greatest flexibility when it came to rearranging channels, and if they could get you to upgrade on your own dime, than Charlie wouldn't have to pay for it when he did, indeed, move a few channels from 119 to 110.

Adding to the complexity were the vast majority of international channels that Dish acquired. Those foreign language channels had to be uplinked to alternate DBS satellites (mirrored at 61.5 & 148) because there was simply no room at 119 & 110.

The Dish 500 (and the wings at 61.5 and 148) may have brought more channels (and is considered by Echostar as one of their most important and savvy decisions), but looking at at least two satellites at all times, sometimes more, as the standard system naturally complicates the install process.

As an example, let's take my install: I currently look at 3 three satellites. With the legacy install, it would take 6 cables coming from the 2 dishes, and they would have to connect to 6 ports of the old SW64, a hunky piece of metal that may have done the job, but was touchy. Consider that all installers universally HATED the SW64 install for its time consuming cabling (and even confusion, in some cases--when you deal with that many cables) for 6 ports PLUS 4 output ports to 4 boxes, and the fickle nature of the SW64 (I've dealt with it as a customer for years, and it was a pain--it would stop working at the slightest variance of electrical flow).

In addition, Dish was limited to installing only 2 TV's "free" because any more than that required an expensive external switch (not the inexpensive SW21). Even a 2 TV install of a Dish 500 was complicated a bit. Remember, they want those installers out and done ASAP to add more subs. Also, the limit of 2 TV's "free" was keeping quite a few people who had more TV's from switching to satellite. All this meant that using legacy installs was no longer efficient, and it was too costly to add more TV's (still using single box, single tuners back then.) Something better was needed.

So, into the 21st century Dish develops the DishPro technology as the new standard for all new Dish installs. DishPro is an installers wet dream! DishPro greatly simplifies (and speeds up?) the install process and makes it economical for Dish to provide up to 4 TV installs "free," making Dish more competitive and attractive to those with more than 2 TV's.

DishPro LNBF's have micro-swithces eliminating the need for any external switches for even 4 TV installs using the DishPro Quad LNBF, requiring only a single cable from each of the 4 LNBF ports, each running to a single box. There are DishPro Single, Duals, Twins, and Quads from which to choose for best installation option.

Let's take the more complex 3 sat install example again, but using DishPro technology:
Instead of 6, only 3 cables are required, one for each satellite, running to a DishPro 34 switch, still requiring separate cables from each output port for each tuner.

Most recently, the DishPro Plus technology has been introduced. Let's take the same 3 sat install using DishPro Plus tecnology:
The DishPro Plus Twin LNBF has an input port for the cable running from the second dish. Now you need only run 1 cable from one output port to see 3 satellites. A single cable from the DPP Twin can be run to a dual tuner, then a separator at the box. Of course, the second output port connects to a second box.

To provide for more than two TV's, just about any combination of DishPro LNBF's can be used to run to an external switch.

For the same 3 sat install:
A single cable for each satellite running to a DishPro Plus 44 switch (that switch can look at up to 4 satellite locations) with only one cable running from the switch to each dual tuner box is needed. The single cable is then connected to a separator just before being connected to the box.

Consider that using Legacy technology (before the DishPro and DishPro Plus) if one needed to access more than 4 tuners, while looking at more than 2 satellites--as is more common today then many may realize, it would require a massively complex web of overwhelming proportions using two SW64's and special splitters and more than 20 pieces of cable, I think. Perhaps someone will re-post the picture of two SW64's. The picture worth the 1000 words. That was Dish's only solution with Legacy.

Why all this innovation from Dish? Because Dish was the first US DBS to cope with the complexities of customers needing to look at multiple satellite slots on a large scale. While Direct held transponders and services at 119 & 110, the vast, vast majority of Direct subscribers were still looking at only 1 satellite slot: 101 degrees. So, there was no need for Direct to abandon the Legacy systems as Dish had.

However, now that Direct is ramping up it's HD offerings, it too now faces the complexities of customers needing to look at several satellites, just as Dish customers do. And so now Direct will soon be out with it's own "DishPro" type technology.

I hope that gives you an understanding of why Dish built the systems it did, and why you really should stay with Dish branded products on your system. It was no plot to corner the market. Charlie would prefer you could expand cheaply on your Dish system--on your own dime! He wants you to spend more on monthly costs, not feel impeded by LNBF and switching technology. However, for Dish and Direct to provide the services they must, multiple satellite locations and the complexities that result, are the solution for the short term. Ergan has indicated that MPEG 4 could mean looking at fewer satellites than today. Add to the very real possibility of the FCC allowing 4.5 spacing--using different frequencies from the current downlink frequencies--we could see all the HD and everything using 1 dish while looking at more than 1 satellite.

belawrence

May 23, 2007

simple is beautiful

I recently swapped my setup that consisted of a 500 & 300 dish connected to a DP34 feeding a 622 and a 301 for a 1000.2 dish with a DPP seperator for the 622. It's a less complex setup, but it's also cleaner and the 1000.2 has an input for use with a 300 dish so now I see four birds versus three-110, 119, 129, and 148.

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jamieh1

Last reply 21 minutes ago · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum

Directv curated multi view now live

The new curated multiview is now live.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.

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KyL416

Tuesday at 7:29 PM

It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

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b4pjoe

Tuesday at 7:30 PM

KyL416 said:
It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

But not on the only device they ship out right now which is the Gemini Air.

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TheRatPatrol

Yesterday at 11:37 PM

KyL416 said:
It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

How soon will it be available on Apple TV? Thanks

I WANT MORE

21 minutes ago

b4pjoe said:
But not on the only device they ship out right now which is the Gemini Air.

It's on my Air's.

"MysteryMan"

Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply 34 minutes ago · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Windows 10/11 Download

I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.

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EarDemon

Tuesday at 9:43 PM

If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.

WhiteBeard

Tuesday at 9:59 PM

EarDemon said:
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.

To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.

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EarDemon

Wednesday at 10:12 PM

WhiteBeard said:
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.

For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.

I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.

harshness

Yesterday at 11:18 AM

EarDemon said:
I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows.

What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI? By many accounts, it has been going downhill since Windows 7.

There are Linux desktops that offer Windows or Mac UIs, yet you don't hear much chatter about them outside of questions about when the creators might get sued.

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EarDemon

Yesterday at 8:55 PM

harshness said:
What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI?

Because it's what I prefer. I know I've said this a few times, I use Open Shell to give me the cascading start menu a la WIN 95 and NT4.0. The only reason I went from Windows Vista to 7 back in the day was because of Classic Shell. I cannot stand anything other than the OG start menu from 30+ years ago. I'm using ExplorerPatcher to give me Windows 10 UI elements of the taskbar and right click context menus.

If you could take a look at how I set up Windows 95, you'd find many similarities to how I use 11.

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EarDemon

Yesterday at 9:10 PM

I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.

harshness

Today at 12:56 AM

EarDemon said:
Because it's what I prefer.

I hope you don't believe that makes it wonderful (especially when you're using workarounds for Microsoft's malfeasance).

I use LibreOffice as opposed to Microsoft office (even in Windows) because it's UI is like the Office of old, so I'm putting my money where my mouth is (in a manner of speaking). The ribbon was one of the worst ideas to come out Redmond.

HipKat

34 minutes ago

EarDemon said:
I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.

I used to pin the C: drive to the Win Taskbar and it would open in cascading style

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Former member 209992

Last reply Today at 6:03 AM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 3:39 PM

Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 3:42 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

WTF… …What the Foxbat!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:28 AM

zipping right along here

slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:29 AM

Foxbat said:
WTF… …What the Foxbat!

wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin

Foxbat

Today at 12:38 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you

I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 6:03 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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OMG to freaking funny :biggrin

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cpdretired

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 6:02 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Offers

Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.

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bnewt

Sep 23, 2026

Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.

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ewindowman

Tuesday at 3:09 PM

Lots of offers on the hopper account app . On the website there are only a few.

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Almighty1

Tuesday at 9:52 PM

ewindowman said:
Lots of offers on the hopper account app . On the website there are only a few.

Never had time to use the Hopper 3 account app yet. I also have a Hopper Plus so it's not the same as the Hopper 3 standalone. Will try it when I have more time, need to beat the taxes extension filing deadline first as I am still working on entering the data into the tax software.

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Almighty1

Wednesday at 6:49 AM

This is what I see when it comes to offers on My Account on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com:

AMC+ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
AMC+ Free for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
AMC+ 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Cine y Entretenimie 50% off for 3 months

DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

DISH Movie Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

DOGTV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Gallery First Month Free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Heartland Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Mexico y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

MGM+ $0.00/Month not saying how long (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Multi-Sport Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Netflix Standard with Ads, $7.99/month credit toward Netflix Standard with Ads ($.99) month with 24 month DISH commitment
(Only on My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Outdoor Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 50% off for three months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 2 months free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Playboy TV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Republica Dominicana 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

STARZ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
STARZ $1.99/month for 2 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Sudamerica y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

UP Faith & Family 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 11:45 PM

bnewt said:
Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.

look again mine says free for 1 month

Almighty1

Today at 2:13 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month

Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 6:02 AM

Almighty1 said:
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 5:56 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Yesterday at 5:39 PM

White Noise - Jessie Baylin

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White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane

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White Sun - The Doobie Brothers

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White Room-Cream

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TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 3:22 AM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

AI Can Self-Replicate: Unplugging the Threat! #shorts

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z72cjoZP83E

Direct YouTube Link - AI Can Self-Replicate: Unplugging the Threat! #shorts
TWIT's Website
TWIT Live Feed

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TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 3:22 AM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

AI Model Poisoning: The Hidden Threat on Hugging Face #shorts

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/w5TOILSc_U8

Direct YouTube Link - AI Model Poisoning: The Hidden Threat on Hugging Face #shorts
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jannah

Last reply Today at 12:33 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Purchased Joey 4 avtivate

Help, I'm a little confjused on the activation process.
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks

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jannah

Oct 7, 2026

All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.

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slow_poke_pete

Oct 8, 2026

jannah said:
All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.

i bought mine straight from dish as it was only $ 100.00 bucks!!! had the protection plan they came out removed and deactivated the 4k joey and activated and installed the joey 4.

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zcrayfish

Monday at 1:08 PM

Solid signal has provided the wrong number on their website to activate Dish boxes for years now.

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Nominal

Monday at 5:45 PM

I don't know if things are different with Dish but when I first rejoined DirecTV a few years ago Solid Signal was able to create my account and activate the equipment I got from them on a self-install without a truck roll.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:30 AM

zcrayfish said:
Solid signal has provided the wrong number on their website to activate Dish boxes for years now.

1-800-333-3474. billing or tech support should be able to do it!!!

slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:33 AM

jannah said:
Help, I'm a little confjused on the activation process.
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks

just call dish and iggy the number from solid signal!!

Foxbat

Supporting Founder Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 12:08 AM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.

www.apple.com

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Ronnie-

Tuesday at 9:19 PM

Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.

Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.

It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

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navychop

Tuesday at 9:31 PM

Ronnie- said:
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

Foxbat

Wednesday at 8:59 PM

The only thing I can see that is compelling is the AV1 decoding done in the A19's hardware instead of the current ATV4K's processor.

navychop

Yesterday at 12:55 PM

Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

KAB

Yesterday at 7:46 PM

navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:08 AM

navychop said:
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what

. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Yesterday at 4:57 PM

24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff
- Independent of record too! Bonus.
MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.
I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games
- Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff
Going to start resting players?
- The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!
- Resting players could make games dumb.
- Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.
How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

AZ.

Yesterday at 5:30 PM

Yespage said:
24 team playoff seems to be real close.

Are we really that far from a 64-team tournament?

The benefit of the 24 team playoff:

All the cartel teams that cartels want in playoff are in playoff

Independent of record too! Bonus.

MONEY!!!!! for the cartels.

I'm out of ideas.

Cons

Regular season really doesn't matter now other than the rivalry games

Top cartel teams can lose three games and still make the playoff

Going to start resting players?

The playoff is going to be *checks notes* several games!

Resting players could make games dumb.

Maybe even restrict NIL players from games played.

How much are streaming sub costs going up a month to pay for this?!

One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:47 PM

AZ. said:
One of the pro's I see is in a year with so many undefeated teams they have a good chance of an opening. Few years back you had lower divisions that didnt get a shot. I love collage football and I have no problem with that addition.

We are in what week 5 now? Been two real good ranked games to watch.....Other than that top 25 teams are playing nothing.

There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

AZ.

Yesterday at 9:12 PM

Jimbo said:
There are 68 Power 4 teams, so eventually they will get there I wouldn't imagine ...

Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:24 PM

AZ. said:
Far from it but you know that....You dont like the larger playoff.....Its ok.....

Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...
Edit, Bama plays 4, Georgia plays 3, But Ole Miss plays 5 (didn't expect to see that)

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

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AZ.

Yesterday at 9:27 PM

Jimbo said:
Oh, I Hate the idea ...

It would be different if it was a game that you could play 2 or games each week, but when you only play 1 game a week, the larger playoff is Not a good thing ...

The season has how many games now, is it 14 ... then you want to play another 5 (with more to come) against Top 12 (eventually 24 teams) ... remember, the 5 games in the playoffs will be the hardest games all year and back to back.

For example, IF Ohio State should win it all this year ... they play 5 teams in the Top 25, plus they would play 5 more to win it all, depending on how the ranking shake out and if Bye weeks are given.

Thats 10 Ranked teams ... in one year ...
I don't see that happening very often ...

That said, I don't see the Buckeyes winning it all this year.

Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:07 PM

AZ. said:
Yes anyone here knows you 100%....Astros failed no posting...Ohio state loses we hear it.....Its ok....Its called an opinion....I have one so do you.....Problem is?

Seeing theres very little activity in the MLB threads, it wouldn't matter if I posted that the Astros didn't make the Playoffs ...

Theres more NFL info in the Pub section than in the Sports/NFL thread.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 10:54 PM

IF they go to 24 teams, and it looks like they will soon ....
Do we Really want Teams with 3 and 4 losses in the Playoffs ?
Is a 3-4 Loss team one thats able to win 4-5 more games against Top teams ?

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