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TuxCoder
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Introduction to the ViP222

The ViP222 is Dish Network's most recently released receiver. Its two independent satellite tuners allow reception of Dish Network's SD and HD programming. The additional ATSC tuner allows reception of local digital off-the-air TV channels, in SD and HD. The receiver boasts a fairly complete selection of audio and video outputs for TV1, intended for a high definition TV located nearby.

A second set of connections for TV2 enables use of the 222 from a remote standard definition television. In dual mode, the TV1 and TV2 outputs are independent and function much like two separate single-tuner receivers. Single mode joins the two tuners for advanced functions such as picture-in-picture (PIP) and displays the same output on the TV1 and TV2 connections. The user interface is, for the most part, very similar to many other receiver models, including among others the ViP622 and 522.


The 222 at an Outer Glance, as Compared to the ViP622 HD DVR

On the outside, the 222 looks similar to my ViP622 HD DVR. However, the most striking difference is the presence of a heavily ventilated top cover on the 222, while the 622 has a solid top cover. The exterior front panel of the 622 has a record LED for TV1 and TV2, whereas the 222 does not (as it is not a DVR... at least as of now). Behind the left door is the access card slot on both receivers. Behind the right door, the 622 has a front panel USB port among its controls, while the 222 does not.

On the back panel, the two receivers are primarily the same. Some of the connections are in different places, but they both offer essentially the same collection of inputs and outputs. The only notable difference is that the 222 has an additional coax connection for TV1's output modulated to channel 3 or 4.

Images: (front) (back)


Functional Observations

I evaluated the operation of the 222 under version L3.01, the current version at the time of this writing. As a reference, my 622 has version L4.05, also current.

As stated above, the user interface of the 222 is practically identical to many other current receiver models. As a result, I will spare you the details of routine operation and of basic, uninteresting features and menu items.

Rather, the rest of this review will focus on personal observations in my use of the product over a week's worth of time. I'll try to keep the discussion points brief, to keep this review from becoming several miles long.


Modulators (Home Distribution on Ch. 3/4 or 21-69/73-125)

My home setup uses many modulators to distribute the output of my various devices to all of my televisions. The 222 has the most complete modulator output selections of any Dish Network dual tuner receiver that I have used.
  • TV2 output is always available on the selected channel, UHF (21-69) or cable (73-125), via the "Home Distribution Ch 21-69 Out" connection.
  • TV1 output is always available on either channel 3 or 4, via the corresponding "Ch 3-4 Out" connection.
  • TV1 output can additionally be set to output on its own additional UHF or cable channel. This is not immediately evident in some product literature.

Display Formats on HD and SD Outputs

The display resolution of the HD outputs can be configured, via the "HDTV Setup" screen (Menu - 6 - 8), to 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i. Additionally, the aspect ratio of the TV connected to these outputs can be set from this screen. The display format (zoom, stretch, bars, etc.) can be adjusted with one button press while watching TV.

One nice functional improvement over the 622 is that the TV1 HD and SD outputs have independent format settings. On the 622, you can press the * button to cycle through the formats. The HD and SD outputs are set to the same format when doing so (and the SD output's 4:3 aspect ratio is not taken into account). However, on the 222, pressing * changes the output format of only the HD connections. Pressing Page Up has the same effect. The Page Down key, on the other hand, changes the format of the SD outputs (when viewing HD content). Unlike the 622, the 222 is aware of the 4:3 aspect ratio on its SD outputs.

Images: simultaneous display of HD & SD outputs: (222) (622)


Picture Quality

To evaluate the 222's HD picture quality, and for comparison with the 622, I tested using component and HDMI inputs on my Sony KDF-E50A10 50" LCD HDTV. After connecting the 222 via HDMI and the 622 via component, I then swapped connections and compared the results. The 222 actually has a slightly sharper image than the 622 in both cases. As a result, HD programming on the 622 appears a bit softer.

The difference in sharpness was a little more noticeable in the displays generated locally by the receivers--namely the guide, menus, and other on-screen displays. The guide on the 622 looks somewhat fuzzy, while the 222 guide display is quite sharp. Again, this is true "across the board" with my TV, with each receiver connected via HDMI and connected via component. And the result is the same regardless of the resolution, 720p vs. 1080i.

Images: close-up of guide text (222) (622)


Brief Remarks on Additional Features

The observations discussed here I feel are noteworthy, but only warrant brief mention.
  • The Dish Home Interactive button does not prompt for confirmation. Prompting is useful if you accidentally bump the button since the application takes a while to load.
  • The 622 and the 522 do have this feature.
  • No picture-by-picture (a relatively new feature on the 622).
  • Caller ID does not seem to work, even though the connection is reported as ok. The feature does work on my 622.
  • The 222 does show the OTA digital sub-channel guide information.
  • In the "Local Channels" screen (Menu - 6 - 9), the help screen states the following: "Local Channels can only be watched on TV1. Analog and Digital local channels are viewable with this receiver, but depending on local broadcasters, they may not always be available and not in all areas." However, the 222 does not actually seem to support analog local channels (I'm sure it's not referring to LiL, due to the TV1 reference).

Comments From an Unbiased Third Party (aka. the TuxGirlfriend)

I asked my girlfriend, who has never really used any Dish Network equipment other than picking a channel to watch from the guide, to check out the 222 some and let me know her opinions. Here, briefly, are some of her findings (many of you shouldn't be too surprised by them). ;)
  • She likes how it and the 622 are considerably smaller and quieter than my 921.
  • The remote control is too cluttered. Having more colored buttons than the 921 remote is good though.
  • The menus are also complicated. One of her examples here is how the "Caller ID History" screen is in the "System Setup" submenu (and I agree that it being in that submenu is a little strange).
  • The default channel order in the guide is backward. I agree that most people would find that counter-intuitive and would expect the "list" of channels to be in ascending order as you move downward through it.
  • She disagrees with me on the picture quality differences (sharpness/softness) between the 222 and 622.

Final Remarks

In just over one week of using the 222 I only ran into one issue that I would chalk up to a software bug (aside from the nonfunctional Caller ID mentioned above). At some point, the TV1 side became unresponsive. It was showing the channel it was tuned to, and the Menu button would lead to a black screen (pressing Menu again would return to programming). All other buttons did nothing, including power. A reboot solved this problem.

All in all, I have found the ViP222 receiver to be a good product. For me personally, the extensive modulator output capabilities, and independent display formats for the TV1 HD and SD outputs are nice bonus features. The picture quality is slightly better than that of the 622. A few features are lacking when compared to the 622, but for most people (myself included), they are of no great concern.

I was honored and excited to have won the 222 in the drawing, and I again thank this site (and Scott) and DishStore.net (and Claude) for it. I was especially impressed with the extremely fast delivery--I received it less than 1.5 days after the drawing.

Anything else I happen to notice while using it, I will be sure to add in this thread. :)
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gbs
I saw the review of last night's Tech Chat and they said that the 211 would have a DVR software upgrade in July 2008 to allow use of an external hard drive. Does anyone know if this will apply to the 222 also?
Nick1Toast
I saw the review of last night's Tech Chat and they said that the 211 would have a DVR software upgrade in July 2008 to allow use of an external hard drive. Does anyone know if this will apply to the 222 also?

I'm not a hundred percent on this, but I thought I read somewhere on this forum that the 222 hard drive deal would follow the 211's by 3 to 6 months if the 211 went okay.
Indy
I'm not a hundred percent on this, but I thought I read somewhere on this forum that the 222 hard drive deal would follow the 211's by 3 to 6 months if the 211 went okay.

Since I have not followed the forum or tech chats for quite some time, is the 222 external hard drive option going to happen or has it already? Time frame?
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Got a VIP222.If I get the HD-Only Package, will the HD be downconverted on TV2 for my SD tv?
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Got a VIP222.If I get the HD-Only Package, will the HD be downconverted on TV2 for my SD tv?

The downconversion is a part of the receiver's hardware to the best of my knowledge, so regardless of your package it will be downconverted to SD.

You can still get the 16:9 aspect ratio on the HD channels by using the 'Letterbox' setting on the receiver and then using the 'zoom' setting on you TV. Your guide will look wrong, but you will have the correct aspect ratio.
Carl B
IrishBrewer and mholbro:

Are either of your new ViP222s exhibiting the "freeze/black screen problem" alluded to earlier in this thread (i.e., are you finding the need to reboot daily or weekly)?

Thanks,

Carl B.
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The only problem I've had thus far is that the unit could not re-establish a satellite link after losing it in a thunderstorm. Once I reset it, it linked up without a problem.
Carl B
So if the TV2 output on UHF (21-69) doesn't output stereo audio, couldn't I just pull the TV2 output off of the composite plus L/R stereo RCA jacks and input them into my Rat Shack modulator that does carry stereo and send that signal via coax to my basement TV? The installers hookup last Saturday has a coax output from TV2, UHF (21-69) which goes to the coax input on my basement TV. The basement TV is now set to Channel 60 to allow for control of the ViP222 tuner. If I use the composite out and L/R stereo out and convert it with my RS stereo modulator, with the basement TV set to Channel 3, won't I have a controlable output from the ViP222 with stereo audio?

Any flaws in this logic? Does anyone think the video signal done the way I described will be any better or worse than the TV2 UHF (21-69) signal? It is hard to imagine why Dish wouldn't have included the hardware to make the TV2 agile output stereo. It really isn't that big or expensive an upgrade to the hardware. What were they thinking?
Indy
Since I have not followed the forum or tech chats for quite some time, is the 222 external hard drive option going to happen or has it already? Time frame?


Just to bump my own post up after 4 months of no reply.
Neutron
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Patrick Stewart died yesterday, October 28th at the age of 86. We lost yet another great actor. :(

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Rest in peace. Wow, so many good roles, but Jean Luc Picard will always be my favorite...
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R.I.P.
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Rest In Peace
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R.I.P., Jean-Luc.
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Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

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Since it was already "paid" for, I spent the two hours of my time watching the John Cena action movie on Apple TV, "Matchbox The Movie" even though the reviews were brutal. It was better than I expected, so I didn't feel like I had wasted an afternoon watching it. But it felt like another "Reacher"/"Neghley"/"Mission: Impossible"/"Fast & Furious" crash and blow stuff up with lots of automatic gunfire mixed in movie featuring covert CIA operatives.

I don't think we'll get a follow-up movie from this. I expect Mattel will have other toy lines to exploit.
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Last of the Dogmen is my favorite of hers.
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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
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I loved it when Rodney was on the Tonight Show...
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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
Thanks, I wasn't sure if you had the wrong Subject or the wrong YouTube link.
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Was a Don Rickles fan. I've dvr'd most of his appearances on Carson from the antenna tv replays.

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More Dangerfield rapid fire on Carson.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scEQFHQHHhU
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It states the average amount they are under water is OVER $7,000. :eek

Personally, I tend to be the type that drives a vehicle for a lot of years....do my own oil changes and other fluid changes. Just replaced the spark plugs and a couple coils. Youtube is great for things like this.

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For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
Don in CT
Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
When I heard about this exploit I was wondering how quick you would be on it. :D
Scott Greczkowski
When I heard about this exploit I was wondering how quick you would be on it. :D
12 minutes after the patch was release I had it patched. :)
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6:43p Central was dumped off the site, then when I got back on could not reply to post. Down for several minutes.
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6:43p Central was dumped off the site, then when I got back on could not reply to post. Down for several minutes.
Yeah... that was me...

I did another security update and it required me to reboot the server.

I also did a patch for something else and accidently put two ;'s in the config file so when the server rebooted it wouldn't restart a service because of the extra ; in the config file.

And of course as I did it my step dad called me slowing me down in figuring it out.

That was a Scott mistake. Sorry about that.
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OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

Aww- nevermind.

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Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.
comfortably_numb
Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.

Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"
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Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"
when was the last time they innovated something:rolleyes:
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when was the last time they innovated something:rolleyes:
I'd probably say when they came up with their M-series of processors with integrated memory. That allowed Apple to get away from the inefficient Intel CPUs that were limiting their notebook computers.
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The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 28 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 28 2026 vs Oct 21 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 15 TID 12 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 13

2 Previously unused Transponders with current APG records::
Net 0 TID 28 Beam NAT + PR is a National Transponder on D16@101, TPN 29
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
4​
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HD​
264​
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1449​
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SD mpeg4​
144​
-1​
194​
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SD mpeg2​
434​
1​
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RB​
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Audio​
89​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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1​
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TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
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HD​
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1​
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SD mpeg4​
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SD mpeg2​
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RB​
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Engr Work​
38​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files
A few remaps
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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Weekly Analysis for 10/28/2026:
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ElectionHQ mixes testing with BBC News, CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC, MSNOW, NewsMax and NewsNation

Some more reshuffles

Updating the TMSIDs for KSBI and KQCW to use the cable feeds with Thunder games instead of the OTA feeds

An additional commercial PPV channel is now on 9530
coolman302003
Monday 11/2 is a full slate for NBA League Pass as all 30 teams are playing and 14 out of 15 total games are on NBALP. Only one national TV game on Peacock/NBCSN (Thunder @ Cavs).

DirecTV is even having to use several MLB EI channels (from 745-748) and a NHL CI (770) channel to fit all of them in the guide close together. 5 games at 7:30 ET, 3 games at 8 ET, 2 games at 8:30 ET, 1 game at 9 ET, 3 games at 10 ET. Luckily NHL CI is light on Monday (3 games on CI).

DirecTV is providing both broadcast feeds for all League Pass games except Hornets, Magic, Bucks & Raptors that night. These are all teams that have local broadcasts via a OTA channel which is on spotbeams and have streaming deals (DTC) that are not exclusive DAZN teams which DirecTV just signed a deal with (à la Spurs, Grizzlies, Cavs, Pacers & T'Wolves). Its also very common that we don't get Raptors broadcast very often from TSN or Sportsnet Ontario on League Pass.

11/2/26 (MON) EASTERN7:00 PM7:30 PM8:00 PM8:30 PM9:00 PM10:00 PM
Peacock/NBCSNThunder @ Cavaliers
NBA League PassNonePistons (745) @ HornetsKings (755) @ Mavericks (756)Celtics (760) @ Rockets (761)Trail Blazers (764) @ Nuggets (765)Suns (769) @ Warriors (770)
Hawks (746) @ Pacers (747)Pelicans (757) @ Grizzlies (758)Jazz (762) @ Spurs (763)Raptors @ Clippers (766)
Nets (748) @ Knicks (751)Bucks @ T'Wolves (759)Heat (767) @ Lakers (768)
Wizards (752) @ Magic
Bulls (753) @ 76ers (754)
*No Hornets, Magic local broadcasts*No Bucks local broadcast*No Raptors local broadcast
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Only the Knicks, Nets, Wizards, Bulls, Celtics, Rockets, Lakers, Warriors, Avalanche, Sharks and Bruins feeds will be using remaps of 24/7 RSNs that night. The rest will be relying on the part time feeds, including the Nuggets, Blackhawks and Kings who will be on their alt/overflow channels, and MSG Western NY will be live on channel 635-1 to carry Buffalo area ads during the Knicks game.

The NHL Network alternate will be live on channel 215-1 with Red Wings @ Panthers for those blacked out of Golden Knights @ Bruins on the main feed.

The Thunder @ Cavaliers game will be on one of Peacock Game Pass channels that night for commercial customers, they'll also have the back to back U-Conn Women's and Men's Basketball. One of the part time feeds will also be in use for WWE Raw via Joe Hand promotions.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Almighty1
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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Almighty1
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Take It Easy On Me - Little River Band
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Take It Easy - The Eagles
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Take It as It Comes - Steve Winwood
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Take The Money and Run - Steve Miller Band
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Run Joe -- Louis Jordan and his Tympany Five
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meStevo
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Starting a thread klang !

After an amazing first 2 seasons and an 8 episode 3rd season still coming this year, season 4 has now been greenlit.

Keri Russell Wow GIF by NETFLIX
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KAB
Not in a hurry to watch it this time.
K
Finished season 3 last night. Still one of my favorite shows.

Anyone else wonder if there might be something else going on with Callum? Seems to me he has too much access to Russian intelligence.
meStevo
One episode into season 4 that dropped today...

Jon Stewart Popcorn GIF
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Renewed for season 5.
K
Finished 4 last night. Great stuff.

They do like to end each season with a Bang!