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shkarter1985

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Is there any recent news of the new SHVERA law? Originally, the current law supposed to expire on 12/31/09 but congress extended til 3/1/10 because of the health care reform thing, that's what I heard.

Are they gonna to make some changes to the new Satellite laws or it will remain the same? And why?
 

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The latest rumor is that it will be extended another 15 days but no one knows for sure. Doa google search for STELA to see what is being said.
 

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The latest rumor is that it will be extended another 15 days but no one knows for sure. Doa google search for STELA to see what is being said.

I've read what it said about the new STELA law, it saids that a person who lives in an unserved household deemed to be eligible for the DNS feeds (ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX from NYC/LA). Also, a person who was denied the status of 'unserved' household should seek waivers (from DirecTV for example) from their local television stations in their home DMA, the copyright royalty fees. And they'll used a new predictive model for digital signals based if the signals are getting or not getting over-the-air.

According to AntennaWeb I typed in my home address for example and here's the results:

DTV: Digital Antenna Type: Red UHF Call-sign: WNEH-DT Channel: 38.1 Network: PBS City, State: Columbia, SC Live date: N/A Compass Heading: 357 degrees Miles from: 17.3 RF Channel: 18

DTV: Digital Antenna Type: Violet UHF Call-sign: WMYA-DT Channel: 40.1 Network: MNT City, State: Anderson, SC Live date: N/A Compass Heading: 353 degrees RF Channel: 14

The prediction is conservative. Since I got a portable digital TV set last Christmas, I scan for over-the-air channels and unfortunately I can't get a single television signal on the set. Do you think I live in a unserved or rural household? Why or why not?
 

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I've read what it said about the new STELA law, it saids that a person who lives in an unserved household deemed to be eligible for the DNS feeds (ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX from NYC/LA). Also, a person who was denied the status of 'unserved' household should seek waivers (from DirecTV for example) from their local television stations in their home DMA, the copyright royalty fees. And they'll used a new predictive model for digital signals based if the signals are getting or not getting over-the-air.

According to AntennaWeb I typed in my home address for example and here's the results:

DTV: Digital Antenna Type: Red UHF Call-sign: WNEH-DT Channel: 38.1 Network: PBS City, State: Columbia, SC Live date: N/A Compass Heading: 357 degrees Miles from: 17.3 RF Channel: 18

DTV: Digital Antenna Type: Violet UHF Call-sign: WMYA-DT Channel: 40.1 Network: MNT City, State: Anderson, SC Live date: N/A Compass Heading: 353 degrees RF Channel: 14

The prediction is conservative. Since I got a portable digital TV set last Christmas, I scan for over-the-air channels and unfortunately I can't get a single television signal on the set. Do you think I live in a unserved or rural household? Why or why not?



I prefer TVFool. What is your zip code and the actual distances from those towers? Just based on the town you list in your profile (with the proper antenna correctly aimed) you should be able to receive the top 2 listed channels. With a deep fringe VHF/UHF you may get 1 or 2 more, but the 1st two shouldn't be an issue.
 

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Basically the same results; should easily expect to pull WNEH-DT & WMYA-DT; not any of the big networks but something via OTA and you should be able to get DNS in my opinion.
 

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Basically the same results; should easily expect to pull WNEH-DT & WMYA-DT; not any of the big networks but something via OTA and you should be able to get DNS in my opinion.

I agree with you :)

Every American should be able to get DNS feeds of ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX from New York and Los Angeles. I've wrote letters to my senators about the STELA issue. What ticks me off is the National Association of Broadcasters want to do it their way, all they care about is protecting the local stations revenues, and SatelliteGuys founder Scott said that the NAB is hurting their cause.
 

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I don't think that the new law is likely to allow the satellite providers to sell DNs to anyone. The likely outcome is reauthorization for LILs and the superstations and dish will once again be allowed to sell DNs to those who qualify.
 

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I don't think that the new law is likely to allow the satellite providers to sell DNs to anyone. The likely outcome is reauthorization for LILs and the superstations and dish will once again be allowed to sell DNs to those who qualify.

Why you don't think that the new law is likely to allow them to sell DNS to anyone? That means we have no choice but to get LiLs? That ticks me off :mad:
 

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If you dont have the full slate of locals in your market they will be able to import the neighboring locals
 

shkarter1985

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If you dont have the full slate of locals in your market they will be able to import the neighboring locals

I've already got my LILs on DirecTV. For example, if I could buy The New York Times in my hometown, why not getting New York or Los Angeles TV stations on satellite? Unfortuantely, the law saids no. That ticks me off. I wished that House of Representives and the Senate would find better solutions to resolve this issue. I think that the STELA law is also unfair as well. This is the USA! I believe in freedom of choice. But the NAB has taken away our freedom of choice. It feels like socialism.
 

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I've already got my LILs on DirecTV. For example, if I could buy The New York Times in my hometown, why not getting New York or Los Angeles TV stations on satellite? Unfortuantely, the law saids no. That ticks me off. I wished that House of Representives and the Senate would find better solutions to resolve this issue. I think that the STELA law is also unfair as well. This is the USA! I believe in freedom of choice. But the NAB has taken away our freedom of choice. It feels like socialism.

It may feel like socialism, but it is capitalism. Powerful private enterprise is buying, through lobbying and campaign contributions, legal protection for an antiquated business model.

Hey if you had a business and you could leverage the legislature to keep your customers your captives, wouldn't you?
 

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I'll start this diatribe again...

Remove the SHVERA, the SHVIA and the SHVA, all of the legislation, and this is what broadcast TV you get on satellite:

Nothing.

And here is why...
shkarter1985 said:
For example, if I could buy The New York Times in my hometown, why not getting New York or Los Angeles TV stations on satellite?
I am a newsstand in Omaha. I have an agreement with the New York Times, where they provide me newspapers to sell. I am selling copyrighted material, for which the copyright was paid to the content owner.

As the owner of a newstand in Omaha, can I sell videotaped copies the WCBS' programming, such as the WCBS newscast, and sell it without the permission of WCBS?

And in that same vein, as the owner of a satellite company, can I copy WCBS programming and retransmit is on my satellite signal without WCBS' permission?

Those people which believe their "freedom of choice" is limited by the law have no idea what the actual issues are.
 

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In fairness w have a case of conflicting interests. There are the interests of the copyright holders and those of viewers who want more choices. Unfortunately the interest that the courts define as a "right' is the interest of the copyright holder. the law does not recognize any "right' to watch TV from outside your local area.

in this case it is not just WCBS who does not want their signal broadcast but also the local CBS affiliate who has exclusive rights to CBS programming in their area. They don't want you watching "Two and a Half Men from the NY station. they want your eyeballs watching their signal and the local ads that they sell on those CBS programs.

But this whole debate has been structured strangely. A repeal of SHVERA would as Mr. Bimson says mean there would be NO broadcast TV on satellite. So all of the threads and petitions caklling for the repeal of the law would be counterproductive. And I too don't get the allusion to socialism. How is the enforcement of copyright rights related to socialism?
 

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in this case it is not just WCBS who does not want their signal broadcast but also the local CBS affiliate who has exclusive rights to CBS programming in their area. They don't want you watching "Two and a Half Men from the NY station. they want your eyeballs watching their signal and the local ads that they sell on those CBS programs.

but in parts of some DMA's the "local" ads are useless. Good example is here in Minneapolis.
The Minneapolis DMA stretches from Iowa almost the the Canadian border. Thats a helluva big DMA. Folks in the northern part of the DMA could care less what "Suburban Chevy" in SW suburbs of Minneapolis are carrying because they're not going to drive 200 miles to buy a car :)

Using CBS as your example, here in Mpls sat viewers get shafted (as do advertisers). We have 3 CBS stations in the DMA
WCCO...the mothership
KCCO in West Central MN
KCCW in Northern MN

all show the same programming but KCCO/KCCW have different local commercials than WCCO does. Technically KCCO/KCCW are satellite stations of WCCO. Folks with cable get either KCCO or KCCW if they are outside of WCCO area but sat folks only get WCCO. My uncle gets KCCO on cable but would get WCCO on satellite. Considering most of that area is rural, the local advertisers are losing money.

Also where our cabin is (Lake Mille Lacs) its 120 miles to Minneapolis but 85 to Duluth. They use to be in the Duluth DMA but about 6 years ago they changed them to the Mpls DMA for some odd reason (considering the county had translator stations from Duluth)

It should be like cable....if they can pick it up OTA then it should be available to the market.
 

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Local ads may be useless to you but it is likely that the local station selling them see it differently. BTW I am not saying that this is fair or perfect just describing the status quo.
 
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