Bad News For Dish

AriesGodofWar · Nov 10, 2008

Dish VIP said:
I love my Dish Network system! Sure, I've had some complaints, but overall I feel that my Dish system is the Cadillac of subscription tv. I've almost jumped to DirecTV a few times. All-in-all i'm very happy to stay with Dish Network.

I just can't bring myself to put that monster dish on my house. My 1k.2 dish is sleek, lightweight, and very easy to install. So DirecTV has way more channels. Big deal! They charge way more $ as well. Mostly crap and reruns on TV anyhow so I don't really need more of that. My 622 DVR makes me happy every single day and never stops amazing me.

It seems to me that Charlie does listen to his customers and understands how to compete. I didn't like having to pay for VOOM. Now that's boom! I had to wait a very long time to get some RSN HD. Today I have that. I'm still waiting for local HD, but if I wait long enough I'll have that too. TurboHD is brilliant IMO. I signed my folks up and they have 2 HD dvrs + 1 extra HD receiver and all the programming they want for under $60/mo. You just can't beat that anywhere in the industry.

Way more sensible then trying to see 5 orbital slots with one dish, is the approach Echostar is taking with the eastern/western split. So right now Dish/Echostar are trying to evolve during this very tough economic climate. I believe Mr. Ergen can do it. So while DirecTV rushed into the future and seems to be the greener pasture now, I think the reality is that Dish Network will evolve to be the superior satellite tv company of the future.

The sky is not falling!

I cannot tell if the above post is sarcasm or not??? (which is scary........) If there was an Onion Satellite Report, the words above this would be it. Who knew Charlie posts from Nevada? Denial is not just a river in Egypt....

Edited to Add: Hated paying for Voom??? Um, I am still paying the same rate as when I had Voom, so now we are paying the very same amount for the service sans Voom. I guess you would rather just pay for something you now no longer get?......I see the logic in that......not

Laddyboy · Nov 10, 2008

Dish VIP said:
I signed my folks up and they have 2 HD dvrs + 1 extra HD receiver and all the programming they want for under $60/mo. You just can't beat that anywhere in the industry.

Yeh for $60 they can get Turbo Gold plus 2 HD DVRs and 1 HD receiver. For $60 E* allows me one HD DVR and I get SilverHD and not Gold HD. No HD only. As always, new subs rule, current subs drool.

Dish VIP · Nov 10, 2008

AriesGodofWar said:
I cannot tell if the above post is sarcasm or not??? (which is scary........) If there was an Onion Satellite Report, the words above this would be it. Who knew Charlie posts from Nevada? Denial is not just a river in Egypt....

No, I'm serious. No cyber-world bias. Just my real world opinions. BTW, I'm in California.

AriesGodofWar said:
Edited to Add: Hated paying for Voom??? Um, I am still paying the same rate as when I had Voom, so now we are paying the very same amount for the service sans Voom. I guess you would rather just pay for something you now no longer get?......I see the logic in that......not

I paid $20 extra for HD when there was VOOM. Now I only pay $10 extra for HD without VOOM. Forget logic, just do the arithmetic.

Dish VIP · Nov 10, 2008

Scott Greczkowski said:
I will have some of what he's smoking.

Somehow, I believe you would.

rad · Nov 10, 2008

Dish VIP said:
Way more sensible then trying to see 5 orbital slots with one dish, is the approach Echostar is taking with the eastern/western split.

BTW, DirecTV is implementing new installs using only 3 slots, 99/101/103 unless you need international programming, so their arc is even less than Dish's Easter and Wester arc's.

Dish VIP · Nov 10, 2008

Laddyboy said:
Yeh for $60 they can get Turbo Gold plus 2 HD DVRs and 1 HD receiver. For $60 E* allows me one HD DVR and I get SilverHD and not Gold HD. No HD only. As always, new subs rule, current subs drool.

Actually, they are receiving TurboHD Silver.

Dish VIP · Nov 10, 2008

rad said:
BTW, DirecTV is implementing new installs using only 3 slots, 99/101/103 unless you need international programming, so their arc is even less than Dish's Easter and Wester arc's.

Is there a new dish from DirecTV I don't know about? lol

Scott Greczkowski · Nov 10, 2008

Dish VIP said:
Is there a new dish from DirecTV I don't know about? lol

Yes there is.

rad · Nov 10, 2008

Dish VIP said:
Is there a new dish from DirecTV I don't know about? lol

Not a new dish but a new LNB, DIRECTV SL3 SlimLine Four Out Ka/Ku Slim Line LNB (SL3) | SL-3 [DIRECTV Slim Line] | sl3 sl-3 s-l3 slim line slimline slim-line directv direc tv direct zipper Triple lnb lnbs ka/ku ka ku. Or if you want the version with the built in SWM it's DIRECTV SL3-SWM SlimLine Single Wire Ka/Ku Triple LNB With Built-In Multiswitch (SL3-SWM) | SL3-SWM [DIRECTV Slim Line] | sl3 sl-3 s-l3 sl3swm sl3-swm sl-3swm sl-3-swm lnb lnbs ka/ku ka ku slim line slimline slim-line directv direc tv direct zipper

rad · Nov 10, 2008

I wonder how bad things would have looked if Dish and Echostar will still the same company, EchoStar Reports Third Quarter 2008 Financial Results - MarketWatch

"EchoStar reported net loss of $308 million for the quarter ended Sept. 30, 2008, compared with net loss of $7 million during the corresponding period in 2007. The $301 million increase in net loss primarily related to unrealized losses and impairments on marketable and non-marketable securities. Basic loss per share was $3.43 for the quarter ended Sept. 30, 2008, compared with a basic loss per share of $0.07 during the corresponding period in 2007. "

Dish VIP · Nov 10, 2008

So there is not a new dish, as Greczkowski is spinning? Jeez, now I sound like O'Riley. lol

Here is a slimline professionally installed by Ironwood Communications in So. Calif. http://www.satelliteguys.us/directv-forum/129643-how-do-i-get-d-repair-damage.html#post1288816

Allright, to get back on topic, I think 13.8 million subscribers is a hellofalot. Losing %0.25 in 6 months doesn't sound like doom and gloom.

Stargazer · Nov 10, 2008

I think what it all boils down to is the way they are getting the subscribers, which is through the retailers. They have screwed the retailers over way too many times and this is what happens. On top of that they are canning a lot of retailers now which cannot be helping. Some may even think that they just made up an excuse as to why to can a lot of them but they did do wrong. Some of these new acquisitions that they have been getting all along could have been those that were already subscribers before and by canning these retailers those additions will not be seen anymore.

TRSmudge · Nov 10, 2008

I can see 2 things coming out of the poor results from the past 2 quarters.....

1) A big increase in next years rates
2) A possible "Oh sorry, due to hard economic times we will have to delay our launch of any additional channels or satellites until further notice"

Rey · Nov 10, 2008

Scott Greczkowski said:
I will have some of what he's smoking.

rcdallas · Nov 10, 2008

I know direct has a package that is cheaper to include the channels I want... and I'll get the hd channels that I want.

Chuck may run out of luck...

Gosh I just looked... for zero installation costs I get hd dvr and more channels for $40 a month for the first three, then $50 afterwards... with no hidden costs... vs the $70 I'm paying now... good thing I'm bad at math.

Quantum · Nov 10, 2008

Dish VIP said:
I love my Dish Network system! Sure, I've had some complaints, but overall I feel that my Dish system is the Cadillac of subscription tv. I've almost jumped to DirecTV a few times. All-in-all i'm very happy to stay with Dish Network.
...
The sky is not falling!

Thanks for the Public Service message, Charlie.

Dish VIP said:
No, I'm serious. No cyber-world bias. Just my real world opinions. BTW, I'm in California.

Whups, you'd better check again...

Dish VIP · Nov 10, 2008

Quantum said:
Whups, you'd better check again...

Check my opinions again? lol Ok, checking......nope, I still love my Dish Network system.

8bitbytes · Nov 10, 2008

TRSmudge said:
I can see 2 things coming out of the poor results from the past 2 quarters.....

1) A big increase in next years rates
2) A possible "Oh sorry, due to hard economic times we will have to delay our launch of any additional channels or satellites until further notice"

3) An exceptionally large subscriber loss after Feb 2009 price increase for less service and more excuses.

Bulldog · Nov 10, 2008

rcdallas said:
I know direct has a package that is cheaper to include the channels I want... and I'll get the hd channels that I want.

Chuck may run out of luck...

Gosh I just looked... for zero installation costs I get hd dvr and more channels for $40 a month for the first three, then $50 afterwards... with no hidden costs... vs the $70 I'm paying now... good thing I'm bad at math.

Just think, you will be considered an “Upscale Customer” and that my friend is “Priceless”

Dish VIP · Nov 10, 2008

rcdallas said:
I know direct has a package that is cheaper to include the channels I want... and I'll get the hd channels that I want.

Chuck may run out of luck...

Gosh I just looked... for zero installation costs I get hd dvr and more channels for $40 a month for the first three, then $50 afterwards... with no hidden costs... vs the $70 I'm paying now... good thing I'm bad at math.

Thats false. DirecTv does not have any package regularly priced under $52/mo. except for the Family package. $10 more for HD.

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