Court of Appeals Upholds DISH Hopper Ruling — Again

[Scott Greczkowski]

You are correct, I am hearing AutoHop had almost no bearing in the DISH / ABC / ESPN deal.

I see ABC and NBC only making noise about it because they have to, but they know they have to change with the times. CBS has been barking a lot but has not done anything. It's only FOX who is playing hardball and they are leading all the legal fights.

So far DISH has renegotiated over 100 channels since AutoHop has been around and it ultimately has not been a sticking point.


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[oldengineer]

As soon as I saw "Ninth Circuit Court" I knew we were going to be eventually doomed.

http://blogs.findlaw.com/ninth_circ...-to-regain-spot-as-most-reversed-circuit.html

 

[navychop]

Sure you can. I did at my nephew's birthday party last weekend...

You eat birthday cake after some disease ridden kid spit all over it, blowing out candles? :yikes

 

[nelson61]

You are correct, I am hearing AutoHop had almost no bearing in the DISH / ABC / ESPN deal.

I see ABC and NBC only making noise about it because they have to, but they know they have to change with the times. CBS has been barking a lot but has not done anything. It's only FOX who is playing hardball and they are leading all the legal fights.

So far DISH has renegotiated over 100 channels since AutoHop has been around and it ultimately has not been a sticking point.

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You got it right. Contract after contract signed and still Hopping. Remember, Dish has been running for months without long term deal with Disney. Rumor is the Hopper was not a problem with disney/abc (probably figured out a way of extra compensation if necessary). If they really were wound up, with no contract, they would be gone.

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[mike123abc]

You are correct, I am hearing AutoHop had almost no bearing in the DISH / ABC / ESPN deal.

I see ABC and NBC only making noise about it because they have to, but they know they have to change with the times. CBS has been barking a lot but has not done anything. It's only FOX who is playing hardball and they are leading all the legal fights.

So far DISH has renegotiated over 100 channels since AutoHop has been around and it ultimately has not been a sticking point.

CBS came out and stated they could make a deal with Dish (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cbs-chief-leslie-moonves-addresses-656017), so if ABC and CBS come to a deal with Dish I bet NBC will jump on it and probably FOX will eventually come around for the right $$incentive$$.

 

[BBCInc]

The battle lines are being drawn in the sand. Its gonna happen, and when it does there will be dozens of Network take downs as Dish is forced to pay the higher rates.

Pure FUD.

 

[3HaloODST]

Directv is not skipping commercials on the Genie (YET) so at this point its a battle between the broadcasters and Dish.

The battle lines are being drawn in the sand. Its gonna happen, and when it does there will be dozens of Network take downs as Dish is forced to pay the higher rates.

You may want it to happen, doesn't mean it will... C'mon now... Just move on. We all know you have an ax to grind with Dish... Nobody cares.

 

[TheKrell]

I care. I feel sorry for Claude if he lost Big Bucks because Dish stiffed him on something or other.

 

[david_jr]

Tell that to the networks. They're the one trying to get paid for retransmission fees AND commercials. That sort of double dipping is the epitome of having your cake and eating it too.

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You took the words right out of my mouth!

 

[3HaloODST]

I care. I feel sorry for Claude if he lost Big Bucks because Dish stiffed him on something or other.

Well, feel free to PM him about it... I might care more if he didn't troll the Dish forum.

 

[Slamminc11]

My whole point is that its going to get to the poing that there will be 2 retransmission rates. 1 for customers who do not have their commercials automatically skipped, and ones who do and have the hopper.

Dish customers are at one point going to have to pay for the ability not to have the commercials

you are still around? WOW!

 

[The Fat Man]

It really makes me laugh that Comcast has something like this in the works. Comcast owns NBC, and yet NBC is trying to sue Dish over auto hop. I guarantee that should Comcast's feature go live, magically, the ability to do this on NBC would be a no go.

 

[MikeD-C05]

My whole point is that its going to get to the poing that there will be 2 retransmission rates. 1 for customers who do not have their commercials automatically skipped, and ones who do and have the hopper.

Dish customers are at one point going to have to pay for the ability not to have the commercials

First of all the customer is the one who skips the commercials whether they do it by the 30 sec skip or they skip it by authorizing the auto hop in front of each primetime show they watch. Ultimately this is still the consumer who decides it ,so I don't really see how the networks have any argument that will stand up in court. I will NEVER watch commercials on RECORDED tv ,so if they do away with auto hop, I will just hit skip button 4 - 6 times and the networks will still not get their advertisements seen.

 

[MikeD-C05]

I pay $ 12 for the Hopper and $ 7 each for two Joeys. Aren't I paying already?

You are ,but to just DISH ,not the networks.

 

[mike123abc]

First of all the customer is the one who skips the commercials whether they do it by the 30 sec skip or they skip it by authorizing the auto hop in front of each primetime show they watch. Ultimately this is still the consumer who decides it ,so I don't really see how the networks have any argument that will stand up in court. I will NEVER watch commercials on RECORDED tv ,so if they do away with auto hop, I will just hit skip button 4 - 6 times and the networks will still not get their advertisements seen.

I wonder how companies will work without commercials. As more and more people skip them, TV will be a lot less valuable. I personally do the skip every commercial break, which seems to be 6-8 skip buttons. If they had just left commercials at 6-8 minutes per hour instead of 18-20 minutes it is now, the arms race to skip commercials probably would not have happened.

 

[3HaloODST]

I wonder how companies will work without commercials. As more and more people skip them, TV will be a lot less valuable. I personally do the skip every commercial break, which seems to be 6-8 skip buttons. If they had just left commercials at 6-8 minutes per hour instead of 18-20 minutes it is now, the arms race to skip commercials probably would not have happened.

I don't know but it's not a whole lot different than pre-DVR when people took bathroom breaks, hit mute, or went to the fridge during commercial breaks. Other than the fact that commercials are even more ridiculous, obnoxious and lengthy than ever these days.

 

[MikeD-C05]

I wonder how companies will work without commercials. As more and more people skip them, TV will be a lot less valuable. I personally do the skip every commercial break, which seems to be 6-8 skip buttons. If they had just left commercials at 6-8 minutes per hour instead of 18-20 minutes it is now, the arms race to skip commercials probably would not have happened.

Not only have they increased the number of commercials per hour , they are now forcing you to sit through a commercial with in the show itself. ON the VIEW the other day, I watched Sherri turn to the camera at the end of one of their yak fests and start doing a commercial live-complete with hokey music and text. Add to that product placement in the shows , and you have basically very little of the show to watch any more. Which explains why DISH is capitalizing on auto hop and the hopper. They are giving people back their time to do what they will with it ,instead of forcing them to watch endless viagra and hemorrhoid commercials.

 

[Tyralak]

A small victory for Dish now, but they still got to pay for retransmission. When the contracts come up for renewal, Dish will be crying wolf when the rates go up dramatically.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Tyralak]

Not only have they increased the number of commercials per hour , they are now forcing you to sit through a commercial with in the show itself. ON the VIEW the other day, I watched Sherri turn to the camera at the end of one of their yak fests and start doing a commercial live-complete with hokey music and text. Add to that product placement in the shows , and you have basically very little of the show to watch any more. Which explains why DISH is capitalizing on auto hop and the hopper. They are giving people back their time to do what they will with it ,instead of forcing them to watch endless viagra and hemorrhoid commercials.

I actually LIKE product placement. It's a creative and unobtrusive way to advertise. It also ads a sense of realism to the show when a familiar brand is shown.

 

[Spike]

You took the words right out of my mouth!

Better to take words out of the mouth than Cake!