DIRT movers

Lt Disher

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I was just wondering how the DIRT team handles the question of 'movers'. It is probably not exactly allowed by DISH regulations, but it is discussed rather freely on this forum. It is clearly not pirating since DISH gets paid for the service, but it is also a bit of a gray area. If the DIRT team was really trying they could ferret out several self admitted movers. Also, if a member had a question or problem, and moving became part of the issue, how would the DIRT team handle it? Just wondering.
 
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Not sure I understand the question.

When we say "movers" are we talking about legitimately moving the dish to a new address (physical service)? The answer is "Yes, of course."

Are we talking about taking a box (of many) from the physical address on the account and putting it elsewhere (account packing) for permanent use? The answer is "No, certainly not."

Are we talking about simply changing the address to get different locals? The answer is "No, certainly not", unless you have moved and the address needs changed, at which point the answer is "Yes, certainly!"

Are you asking if we will violate company policy or help you commit a fraudulent act, while knowing that it is fraudulent (which seems to be the underlying tone to your question)? There is an obvious answer to that I think, and shame on you for asking... :D
 
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Not sure I understand the question.

When we say "movers" are we talking about legitimately moving the dish to a new address (physical service)? The answer is "Yes, of course."

Are we talking about taking a box (of many) from the physical address on the account and putting it elsewhere (account packing) for permanent use? The answer is "No, certainly not."

Are we talking about simply changing the address to get different locals? The answer is "No, certainly not", unless you have moved and the address needs changed, at which point the answer is "Yes, certainly!"

Are you asking if we will violate company policy or help you commit a fraudulent act, while knowing that it is fraudulent (which seems to be the underlying tone to your question)? There is an obvious answer to that I think, and shame on you for asking... :D


Tony, I am sorry if the question was not clear. Perhaps you have not been around the forum long enough, but what I meant to be asking about was the third option, changing address to get different locals which is often referred to as 'moving'.

As I said in my original post, this is talked about often on this forum. What I was trying to get at was if you noticed a posting about 'moving' and later had a legitimate support question from a customer that you recognized as a mover, how would you handle it? You have answered clearly that you would not change an address for the member to help him get different locals. You would not commit a fraudulent act and good for you. I was really just wondering how far your mandate goes here. Does your job description include any audit functions? If you knew a member was a mover and it did not involve any direct help from you, would you act as HIFI suggested in sort of a 'Don't ask, don't tell.' manner or would you feel compelled to turn him in.

I don't think there is any shame at all in my asking the question. I was not asking you to commit a fraudulent act and I never would. The question just occurred to me and I thought I would ask. I believe that clear ground rules and expectations and honesty is the key to open discussion. The DIRT team is doing some sort of groundbreaking support in a new area, I think you would want to be clear how you might handle these kind of ethical questions. If you haven't discussed them with your supervisors or don't have a clear understanding of such topics as 'moving' and others that may come up in public forum such as this, I think it would be a good idea for you to clarify these things.

Perhaps I should say that I am not now and never will be a 'mover'.

Finally, I also want to say that I am a great admirer of the work that the DIRT team is doing in this and other forums. You have clearly done exemplary customer support and I hope you all get great job reviews and wonderful raises when the time comes for that.
 
I was just wondering how the DIRT team handles the question of 'movers'. It is probably not exactly allowed by DISH regulations, but it is discussed rather freely on this forum. It is clearly not pirating since DISH gets paid for the service, but it is also a bit of a gray area. If the DIRT team was really trying they could ferret out several self admitted movers. Also, if a member had a question or problem, and moving became part of the issue, how would the DIRT team handle it? Just wondering.

WHy would someone even ask them? That would be stupid.
 
We've always had the notion here that if you got caught "moving" Dish would just move you back and probably blacklist the account from moving again unless a tech went to the new address.
 
WHy would someone even ask them? That would be stupid.

You miss my point altogether. I don't think anyone would ask them to to do it. I am asking how they would handle the situation if they came upon the knowledge of someone who was a 'mover' just by reading their post in this forum. You are here enough to know that it is discussed. I am not advocating anything illegal. I just think that clarity about the situation is better for everyone, the DIRT team included.
 
Well, when you own Dish, I guess you can start that policy, eh?

I am just trying to find out what the policy might be, eh? If it is 'don't ask, don't tell', that's fine. If it is report all 'moving' to corporate, that is fine too. I am just asking how they would handle it, eh?
 
You miss my point altogether. I don't think anyone would ask them to to do it. I am asking how they would handle the situation if they came upon the knowledge of someone who was a 'mover' just by reading their post in this forum. You are here enough to know that it is discussed. I am not advocating anything illegal. I just think that clarity about the situation is better for everyone, the DIRT team included.

I am just trying to find out what the policy might be, eh? If it is 'don't ask, don't tell', that's fine. If it is report all 'moving' to corporate, that is fine too. I am just asking how they would handle it, eh?

Why would you even ask? You sound suspiciously like a DISH supervisor that is testing the DIRT team to see what their answers might be.

Probably not, but that's what it seems like.
 
Looks like 3 of us posted same time so I'll post mine again ;)

We've always had the notion here that if you got caught "moving" Dish would just move you back and probably blacklist the account from moving again unless a tech went to the new address.
 
Kentucky? Just kidding.

It is clearly not pirating since DISH gets paid for the service.....

To respond directly to this, it hurts many people involved. DISH as a business pays locals based on a head count. If you “subscribe”, we pay a local channel based on that. If the DMA you receive costs more then the one you should receive, it costs us more when it shouldn't. If you owned a business that people did that to, you would likely not like it much either. "Movers' also provide local channel owners a bartering chip at negotiations, being that they say they can reach X number of customers (X+1, in this case) and therefore deserve more in the contract, which trickles to higher bills to our customers. Local businesses in the DMA you are subscribing to pay more for advertising based on the increased viewers as well. Between DISH, local businesses, and other customers, I see 3 very real reasons that, while not piracy, makes this a bad thing.

Perhaps you have not been around the forum long enough…

:mad:My team and I have been around a long time, although perhaps not on the forums, and we understand what ‘moving’ is. We also understand that it can be used to get different locals (as you were pointing to), stack receivers on an account over different addresses without paying for a dish or another account (we would supply the ‘move’, a hiding in plain sight kind of thing), both of which are frowned upon. There is also the legitimate move, which answering your actual question as posted would possibly be misunderstood as something we would not do, when in fact we would.

What I was trying to get at was if you noticed a posting about 'moving' and later had a legitimate support question from a customer that you recognized as a mover, how would you handle it?

Being that our role is to support customers, and not audit them, we would assist by any means necessary. I have gotten laughed at for offering to roll a truck to a customer who was obviously in Mexico somewhere, here on this very forum. It is our job to offer the means to fix a problem, and a customer’s job to tell us that they don’t want it. Had the customer said “roll a truck”, the natural course of events would have handled this. The customer would have had a tech at the address on the account, the tech would note that the customer did not live there, and that becomes an issue dealt with elsewhere. The tech would have wasted the gas driving there, and would likely not be thankful if they are a contractor.

Does your job description include any audit functions?

We do not audit anything. “Don’t ask, don’t tell” is a very good policy, BTW. Who knows who is on these forums?

I believe that clear ground rules and expectations and honesty is the key to open discussion.

Any humor in that the question is about being dishonest? Interesting. LOL Thought I would put that on the table for a bit of a laugh. :D:D

The rest of your post is appreciated, as well. Compliments are always welcome as we like hearing we have done well. As I have said many times, on many threads, the criticisms are also appreciated. We truly wish to be more pliable in the forums and both compliments and criticism are conducive to this outcome.
 
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BTW, this was edited down a bit. Matt didn't think the three original pages were necessary, so thank him that there wasn't as much 'Kentucky' needed.

Which department do you work for, Lt disher? :D

And as far as what happens when you are caught moving.... :dead Daily beatings of your horse... even after death. Actually, its probably like when you remove a phone line from the receiver.. You know, the FBI and stuff.
 
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Being that our role is to support customers, and not audit them, we would assist by any means necessary. I have gotten laughed at for offering to roll a truck to a customer who was obviously in Mexico somewhere, here on this very forum. It is our job to offer the means to fix a problem, and a customer’s job to tell us that they don’t want it. Had the customer said “roll a truck”, the natural course of events would have handled this. The customer would have had a tech at the address on the account, the tech would note that the customer did not live there, and that becomes an issue dealt with elsewhere. The tech would have wasted the gas driving there, and would likely not be thankful if they are a contractor.



We do not audit anything. “Don’t ask, don’t tell” is a very good policy, BTW. Who knows who is on these forums?
The Mexico one was a fun thread. I guess the OP didn't see that one. I remember having to mention that he lived down "South":D
I was wondering how you would know where anyone here lived. Since we don't use our real names and just have general addresses or none if one wants to not display it. You would have to have Scott look up if we had a real address on file. Then no one would really trust the site. It would be like tracing the IP address. It can be done but takes time & is it really worth the effort? Then it might even wind up ending at a proxy server for some big ISP.
BTW I have moved 3 times since I gotten E* The last 2 have had no phone as I haven't owned a landline (just cell & net) in around 3 yrs.
 
The Mexico one was a fun thread. I guess the OP didn't see that one. I remember having to mention that he lived down "South":D
I was wondering how you would know where anyone here lived. Since we don't use our real names and just have general addresses or none if one wants to not display it. You would have to have Scott look up if we had a real address on file. Then no one would really trust the site. It would be like tracing the IP address. It can be done but takes time & is it really worth the effort? Then it might even wind up ending at a proxy server for some big ISP.
BTW I have moved 3 times since I gotten E* The last 2 have had no phone as I haven't owned a landline (just cell & net) in around 3 yrs.

But did you move or "move". :D Totally kidding. This thread is absurd and I would think that the OP would know better than to ask. Are you trying to get someone to question the work that the DIRT team is doing? They are doing nothing but good for both the customers and the company. Let them do that and don't bring up stupid stuff.
 
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