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Im so confused. I just returned a new 65" Hisense do to a terrible picture. Then I bought a $1000 TCL 65" instead. Brought it home and the same thing, the picture is worse then on my plasma. I have the Hopper with Sling. Called Dish and said I needed to upgrade to a Hopper 3. I dont understand why my picture right now is worse on the 65" TCL then on my 51" plasma. Why is my 4K not upscaling. And how could the Hopper 3 make it any better at upscaling 1080 to close to 4K. Im so dissapointed. I dont want to have to take this one back too, but the picture I cant handle its like its SD instead of even HD. The entire picture just looks off, faces in the crowd during a baseball game looked like anything but faces. Are 4Ks wastes or would the Hopper 3 at least bring me back to my Plasma level. Also whats a good satellite signal strength. Mine is around 70. Is that a strong signal?
 
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Cheddar_Head

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All 4K TVs have to upscale the picture to 4K or else you would have a tiny picture. Some TVs are better at upscaling than others, the less expensive TVs do not upscale as well as the Sonys and Samsungs of this world. Getting a Hopper 3 as you can configure the Hopper 3 to do some of the upscaling.
 

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I think some Hisense TV's are made by TCL or vice versa so you might have bought the same basic TV both times.

Have you adjusted the TV settings like sharpness, contrast, noise filters, etc.?

Sounds like your satellite signals are fine but that's really irrelevant here, if you have an HD picture that isn't pixelating or breaking up then you are good to go.

IMHO if you want a great picture then get a Sony.

Oh, and :welcome2to SatelliteGuys. :)
 
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Yea I tried all the settings. Tried going down to 720p I think too. The picture is all tiny squares and dull. Its basically SD now. Instead of upscaling it seems like it downscales. This TCL has so many rave reviews comparing it up with the Samsung OLEDs even though its not a OLED. Guess Ill see if the Hopper 3 makes a difference. Shoulda just stayed with my Plasma Im feeling now. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-65...d-tv-with-hdr-roku-tv/6204551.p?skuId=6204551
 

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After I built my current computer this year, I switched from a cheap HD Monitor to a Samsung 32" 1080P TV and had the same issue. Everything looked horrible, even though I was using a 4K GPU (Nvidia GTX 1080TI). I had to make major adjustments on the TV itself, turning sharpness down to 0, playing with the Contrast, etc. Then I replaced that with a 28" Samsung 4K Monitor and had to make major adjustments again - this time resizing browser pages to 125%, playing with the scaling in my GPU Settings, etc.

I can only imagine with a new and higher resolution TV, it's the same thing.

Have you looked a sites like this one? How to calibrate your TV to get the best picture possible
 
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I'm thinking it's has to be the settings.

These are not top of the line panels, but I have used both of them at rental properties, and after some tweaking, both have given a pretty decent picture.
 
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Let's not discount the fact the OP is going from a 51" TV to a 65" TV. That is not an insignificant jump in screen size, and the compression that Dish uses will be more noticeable on the larger screen. I have an idea, that is part of what is making it look worse to them.

Viewed from the same distance, even HD will start looking softer as the TV screen gets larger and larger.
 
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Yeah settings I've tried all kind combos. Contrast n Sharpness at 0 at a 100 different tv modes like sport movie etc. Turned off motion etc . I too am afraid it's a combo of large size and bad compression from Dish. I haven't tied streaming yet. Guess that would rule out the TV but I get a Hopper 3 today and will see if it makes a difference
 
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How does an OTA signal delivered through an antenna look on your new TV?

The OTA signal is also upscaled to 4K by the TV, if the OTA signal looks good then the problem is most likely the Dish receiver/feed, if the OTA signal looks soft/bad then it is either poor upscaling by the TV or bad settings on the TV.

Settings on many TVs are input specific, make sure the settings you are looking at apply to the input your Dish receiver is attached to.
 
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4k TVs have a beautiful, sharp upscaled picture from Dish, sometimes hard to tell the difference from TV's native app's Netflix 4k streaming. It's your TV. Have you set it to dot for dot (or the Tv's equivalent)?
 
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My Hopper3 looks really good on my [properly calibrated] Sony 70" UHD.

That TCL model should provide an good picture overall. Maybe not as good as a new Sony, but not what I would call bad. That said, going from a plamsa to a LCD, is going to look very different due different refresh rates, how LCDs draw the frames, etc.

Yeah settings I've tried all kind combos. Contrast n Sharpness at 0 at a 100 different tv modes like sport movie etc. Turned off motion etc . I too am afraid it's a combo of large size and bad compression from Dish. I haven't tied streaming yet. Guess that would rule out the TV but I get a Hopper 3 today and will see if it makes a difference
 

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My 55" 4k Phillips with HDR looks great with my hopper 3. I will admit that it took some getting used to the HDR feature because it adds color where you really didn't see it before in their faces. But I am using VIVID mode and with some tweaking on the settings I can see a sharp , clear picture with little to no back ground jagged lines or pixelation. Depends on the source for the channels. For example I watched "Agents of Shield" a few months back on the sat locals and the picture did have a lot of background noise in dark scenes. The same show ota did not, so I chalk it up to over compressed picture from the satellite. HBO looks sharp on all their hd channels.
 
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