80 Mbps is plenty fast for streaming. Sounds like a problem with your provider or router.
Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual
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If it's 80bps or 80Kbps, that's way too little, but if it's 80Mbps, that should be more than adequate. However, I have seen other complaints about Amazon Thursday Night Football, so that may be all on their end.
Hi,
I have centurylink DSL with land line for phone for 30 years toatl cost $79.
here is the speed when i checked it now. There is fiber and dish is offering starlink now. i dont know the cost,
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Looks good enough ...Hi,
I have centurylink DSL with land line for phone for 30 years toatl cost $79.
here is the speed when i checked it now. There is fiber and dish is offering starlink now. i dont know the cost,
80
Mbps
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80
Mbps
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13
Mbps
Speed to your device
Test results show speed to the device, but may not reflect speed to your home or
However, if I were you, I'd take a look and see at what price the Fiber is at in your area, as most have been quite competitive.
IF This is your area, there are a good number of options, depending on who is in your area and what you want to put into it ... Make sure you inquire and confirm what the cost will be After whatever deal they want to give you to get started.
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Where I am at, I go into thier offices every 12 months to see what they are offering at that point and what price.
I ended up getting Faster and cheaper a few times when I did.
Recently, I went in they asked where I lived and found that my city has a internet deal for all of us in my city and its faster and $20 cheaper per month ... I said for How Long ... they said Forever ... (which means, till the City makes a new deal, but it looks like its currently for at least 3 years
Bruce LOVES to rag on Dish. It gets him off somehow.
Look, we all know what the future holds. It's not satellite. But getting your rocks off on the demise of a particular format is not sane.
IMHO.
Look, we all know what the future holds. It's not satellite. But getting your rocks off on the demise of a particular format is not sane.
IMHO.
Saying that I will never pay for cable does not mean that I'm pirating anything. And I'm not pushing anything. I admit all the time. I'm a terrible spokesperson for dish. I don't understand why people spend 150 bucks a month to watch Fox News. But that's on them. I don't like putting holes in peoples roofs. I'm not doing it on mine. And that I've been streaming for almost 6 years now.
You're not ahead of the curve, Bruce. You don't know things that other people don't know no matter how much you try to make it seem like you do.
Do you think that if I sold cars at a Ford dealership I shouldn't be allowed to drive a Dodge?
So DIRECTV has cell phones now? Is DIRECTV installing Starlink now? Does DIRECTV have a division like dish does with Ontech?
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never posted that, you wrote-
Which I put the word Cable in bold, so you would know what I am responding to with this-
But if you wish to keep bringing up DirecTV, they now lose less subscribers than Dish/Sling does, the last few quarters, a rough average of 200,000, thanks to some smart moves, like the new smaller packs.
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I love so much how those who cannot debate the subject, always try to go personal, really shows their intelligence.
That entire post was intended to be a dig at myself, has nothing to do with the subject.
Who are you Debating with ?
Yourself ?
Yourself ?
Oh but supposedly he used to make SO much money giving advice to the corporate heads at Disney! So well paid according to him.
Spare me!
Oh, Jesus. Please don't get him started on money.
If you're thinking as a DISH employee, the company is no longer just trying to sell satellite TV. It's trying to acquire customers across several businesses under the EchoStar umbrella, while satellite TV continues to shrink. Humans call this "diversification." Sometimes it's strategy, sometimes it's what happens when your original business is slowly evaporating.
Here's where new customers are currently coming from:
DISH Satellite TV
Declining
Still signs up rural customers, RV users, sports fans, and people without reliable streaming. Subscriber losses continue.
Boost Mobile
Slight growth
Currently the largest source of new consumer customer acquisitions. Added about 16,000 net subscribers in Q1 2026.
Gen Mobile
Stable
Value-focused prepaid wireless, often bundled into Boost's overall wireless strategy.
Sling TV
Mixed
Still acquires cord-cutters but operates in an extremely competitive streaming market. Included in EchoStar's pay-TV business.
HughesNet
Declining
Traditional satellite internet continues losing subscribers because of fiber and low-earth-orbit competitors.
Enterprise/Government Satellite Services
Important revenue
Satellite connectivity, aviation, maritime, military and commercial contracts remain significant revenue sources.
What about Starlink?
This has changed dramatically.
There has been discussion around spectrum transactions between EchoStar and SpaceX, but Starlink is not currently a consumer sales channel for DISH TV, nor is it sending retail television customers to DISH. Those pending business deals relate primarily to spectrum assets, not customer acquisition.
From a corporate accounting perspective, a Starlink customer is a Starlink/SpaceX customer. DISH doesn't own the recurring internet subscription revenue. Starlink bills the customer for service, even when the customer orders through DISH.
From a field operations perspective, though, that same customer is absolutely entering the DISH ecosystem.
Why?
What about OnTech?
OnTech is still valuable, but not because it's generating huge numbers of brand-new DISH subscribers.
Its role is more as:
It generates service revenue and helps retain customers rather than acting as a major pipeline for new satellite activations.
Retail partners
DISH/Boost also gains customers through:
Wireless has become much more important than satellite for new customer acquisition.
Business customers
An often-overlooked area is DISH Business, which serves:
Advertising
EchoStar also earns revenue from:
This isn't customer acquisition, but it is an increasingly important revenue stream as subscriber counts decline.
The big picture
If you had asked this question ten years ago, the answer would have been "sell more satellite TV."
Today, it's closer to:
One important recent development is that the satellite TV business itself entered Chapter 11 restructuring, although DISH TV, Sling TV, and related consumer services continue operating normally while EchoStar restructures. Boost Mobile and Gen Mobile are not part of that bankruptcy process.
What DIRECTV does not have
This is where DISH still has an advantage.
DIRECTV has no equivalent to:
So if someone walks into a Boost store to buy a phone, that's an opportunity for EchoStar to cross-sell TV or home internet. DIRECTV simply doesn't have that retail footprint.
If I were comparing the two companies today
EchoStar Strengths
Weaknesses
DIRECTV
Strengths
Weaknesses
A DIRECTV field organization, by contrast, is still centered on acquiring and supporting television customers, whether that TV arrives through a dish or over the customer's internet connection. That's probably the clearest way to think about the two strategies today.
Here's where new customers are currently coming from:
DISH Satellite TV
Declining
Still signs up rural customers, RV users, sports fans, and people without reliable streaming. Subscriber losses continue.
Boost Mobile
Slight growth
Currently the largest source of new consumer customer acquisitions. Added about 16,000 net subscribers in Q1 2026.
Gen Mobile
Stable
Value-focused prepaid wireless, often bundled into Boost's overall wireless strategy.
Sling TV
Mixed
Still acquires cord-cutters but operates in an extremely competitive streaming market. Included in EchoStar's pay-TV business.
HughesNet
Declining
Traditional satellite internet continues losing subscribers because of fiber and low-earth-orbit competitors.
Enterprise/Government Satellite Services
Important revenue
Satellite connectivity, aviation, maritime, military and commercial contracts remain significant revenue sources.
What about Starlink?
This has changed dramatically.
There has been discussion around spectrum transactions between EchoStar and SpaceX, but Starlink is not currently a consumer sales channel for DISH TV, nor is it sending retail television customers to DISH. Those pending business deals relate primarily to spectrum assets, not customer acquisition.
From a corporate accounting perspective, a Starlink customer is a Starlink/SpaceX customer. DISH doesn't own the recurring internet subscription revenue. Starlink bills the customer for service, even when the customer orders through DISH.
From a field operations perspective, though, that same customer is absolutely entering the DISH ecosystem.
Why?
- DISH markets Starlink on its own website.
- The customer can order Starlink through DISH.
- A DISH technician performs the professional installation.
- That installation generates revenue for DISH.
- The customer now has a relationship with DISH for installation and, depending on how they purchased, ongoing support for the installed equipment.
What about OnTech?
OnTech is still valuable, but not because it's generating huge numbers of brand-new DISH subscribers.
Its role is more as:
- TV installations
- Smart home installations
- Wi-Fi optimization
- Mounting services
- Home technology support
It generates service revenue and helps retain customers rather than acting as a major pipeline for new satellite activations.
Retail partners
DISH/Boost also gains customers through:
- National retailers (Best Buy, Walmart, Target, etc.)
- Independent retailers
- Authorized dealers
- Digital sales
- Inbound call centers
- Field sales
- Referral programs
Wireless has become much more important than satellite for new customer acquisition.
Business customers
An often-overlooked area is DISH Business, which serves:
- Hotels
- Hospitals
- Bars & restaurants
- Apartment complexes
- Senior living facilities
- Correctional facilities
Advertising
EchoStar also earns revenue from:
- Addressable TV advertising
- Audience data products
- Advertising technology through DISH Media
This isn't customer acquisition, but it is an increasingly important revenue stream as subscriber counts decline.
The big picture
If you had asked this question ten years ago, the answer would have been "sell more satellite TV."
Today, it's closer to:
- Wireless (Boost Mobile) is where most consumer growth is expected.
- Satellite TV is being managed as a mature business that still generates cash but continues to lose subscribers.
- Commercial satellite services, enterprise connectivity, and government contracts provide meaningful revenue outside consumer TV.
- Installation services (OnTech), advertising, and business solutions provide additional income.
One important recent development is that the satellite TV business itself entered Chapter 11 restructuring, although DISH TV, Sling TV, and related consumer services continue operating normally while EchoStar restructures. Boost Mobile and Gen Mobile are not part of that bankruptcy process.
What DIRECTV does not have
This is where DISH still has an advantage.
DIRECTV has no equivalent to:
- Boost Mobile
- Gen Mobile
- HughesNet
- Nationwide wireless retail stores
- A nationwide field service organization like DISH's technician network (outside of installation/dealer operations)
So if someone walks into a Boost store to buy a phone, that's an opportunity for EchoStar to cross-sell TV or home internet. DIRECTV simply doesn't have that retail footprint.
If I were comparing the two companies today
EchoStar Strengths
- Wireless business
- Spectrum assets
- Boost stores
- National technician workforce
- Multiple revenue streams
Weaknesses
- Satellite TV decline
- HughesNet under pressure from fiber and low-Earth-orbit competitors
- High capital requirements for wireless network build-out
DIRECTV
Strengths
- Premium television brand
- Strong sports reputation
- Excellent commercial/business business
- Internet-delivered TV without requiring satellite hardware
- Simpler corporate focus
Weaknesses
- No wireless division
- No mobile ecosystem
- No diversification comparable to EchoStar
- Competing directly against cheaper streaming services like YouTube TV, Hulu + Live TV, and Fubo
A DIRECTV field organization, by contrast, is still centered on acquiring and supporting television customers, whether that TV arrives through a dish or over the customer's internet connection. That's probably the clearest way to think about the two strategies today.
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And with all that, Dish still declared bankruptcy.
And if anyone believes that Dish is about to become cash rich, that money coming in will be to pay off the debt.
Well they will shake off tons of debt and screw who they owe. So they will be better off by hurting their creditors! Cash rich? No, a whole lot less baggage!
Dish DBS filed Chapter 11 because it faced debt maturities that it couldn't cover after a multi-billion-dollar spectrum sale was delayed, not because the company had run out of business or because it was insolvent in the traditional sense. The filing is a prepackaged restructuring backed by the overwhelming majority of its creditors and is intended to reduce debt while allowing normal operations to continue.
As for "all the money coming in will just pay off debt," that's only partly correct. A significant portion of the proceeds from the pending spectrum transactions is indeed earmarked to retire debt. That's exactly what the restructuring plan says. But reducing debt also lowers future interest expense, improves cash flow, and strengthens the company's balance sheet. In other words, paying down debt isn't money disappearing into a hole. It's often a prerequisite to becoming financially healthier.
After the restructuring and debt repayment, EchoStar expects to emerge with substantially improved liquidity and greater strategic flexibility than it has today.
But being the financial genius that you are, you already knew this and sorry if I just stepped all over your rhetoric
I am still betting that DISH & Sling TV will be sold off to Directv. I think Charlie wants out of all the video entertainment part of the company, since we have all determined that satellite TV is declining and will continue to and Sling TV, although the oldest LIVE TV streaming service, is not as competitive as they once were. Their guide is a mess of channels with no rhyme or reason. You Tube TV interface is what they should be striving to be like. I see Directv if they buy both companies or merge with, there will be no more Sling TV and DISH will become Directv. But who knows what will happen these days. So much changes from month to month anymore. 
You're kidding right? You have bragged on here many times about how well you were supposedly paid.
This is not a personal attack, you actually said it.
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