Dish installing Flock cams

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FYI : Flock is just the Company Name ... the camera(s) have different names I'm sure ... Flock is just convenient.
Flock's cameras are actually called Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR) or License Plate Recognition (LPR) cameras. They are manufactured and managed by the private company Flock Safety. [1, 2, 3]
 
This could easily catch fire on social media and end up costing Dish hundreds of thousands of customers.
Nah its the same photo that has been posted for over 4 months now.

We use Flock here and it has helped find and recover a bunch of stolen cars. All the Lowes and Home Depots have them in their lots now as well.

I went on a ride along with out local police department and the car had license plate readers. It would make different noises as we drove by cars, most of the noises were expired registration and the officer didn't stop for any of them, he said if he did they wouldnt be doing anything else but working on those. He was looking for stolen cars, and we found two in the lot of WalMart within 5 minutes.

Interesting technology, but I can see why some would feel that it can also be bad technology as well.
 
he said if he did they wouldnt be doing anything else but working on those.
Sigh.....wouldn't want them enforcing the law now would we.

Not a knock on you Scott....I just get sick and tired of police officers making excuses for not doing their jobs which of course just encourages MORE law breaking.
 
Flock's cameras are actually called Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR) or License Plate Recognition (LPR) cameras. They are manufactured and managed by the private company Flock Safety. [1, 2, 3]
Not true, lots of companies make ALPR's not just Flock.

Flocks are self contained and normally installed seperately from any other devices and are on their own poles.

Our PD is currently testing tying our current ALPR's which are NOT flocks into the Flock database system.
 
Sigh.....wouldn't want them enforcing the law now would we.

Not a knock on you Scott....I just get sick and tired of police officers making excuses for not doing their jobs which of course just encourages MORE law breaking.
Honestly in the 5 minutes we drove around the lot the alarm went off over 100 times plus the two times it went off for a stolen car (which was a different sound)

This is a big Connecticut problem. My wife is the accessor for the town, and we have a revenue issue as so many cars are unregistered / expired. (The towns revenue comes from Car taxes, which I know is not the same for other states). But again this is not a town issue its a state issue.
 
Not true, lots of companies make ALPR's not just Flock.

Flocks are self contained and normally installed seperately from any other devices and are on their own poles.

Our PD is currently testing tying our current ALPR's which are NOT flocks into the Flock database system.
Flock Safety operates the largest network of automated license plate reader (ALPR) cameras in the United States, linking roughly 120,000 to 132,000 fixed-location devices nationwide. [1, 2]

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    • Market Share: Flock Safety accounts for the vast majority (around 84%) of the crowdsourced fixed ALPR network tracked across the country.
    • Competitors: Other major companies that supply and run ALPR systems for law enforcement and private properties include Vigilant Solutions (owned by Motorola Solutions), Axon, Rekor, and Genetec.
    • Scale: These networks feed data into searchable databases used by thousands of local and state law enforcement agencies.
 
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Flock is the de facto shorthand for these LPRs and the searchable systems they feed into. But well deservedly so, given their lion's share of the activity as well as involvement in reported cases of systemic misuse.

The LPRs in squad cars can be a somewhat different consideration as long as it wouldn't be feeding everything it sees into searchable databases, but rather simply flagging plates with issues within the vicinity of the car and not sending data off to storage.

DiSH really might want to think twice about being seen installing these, given how it's blown up as a nat'l issue on a par with datacenters.
 
Flock's cameras are actually called Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR) or License Plate Recognition (LPR) cameras. They are manufactured and managed by the private company Flock Safety. [1, 2, 3]
And calling them license plate readers is like calling COVID a slight sniffle. They are MUCH more than that, since you guys want to open this can of worms. They do read license plates. They also read color, model, dents, and other characteristics, then feed this into a database of every time each vehicle is photographed, creating a profile of your every move. The 130,000 Flock Cameras in use then use that database, utilizing AI, which can be searched by every level of law enforcement.
Officers have been caught misusing that data to stalk people, like ex-wives and GF's, or use searches to look for evidence to build a case against anyone they wish.
Illinois made it illegal for entities from outside the state to access data within the state, a law that has been violated by the FBI, CIA, ICE, and other law enforcement agencies from other states.
Using FOIAs here in my town, we found that a local officer conducted 13,000 Flock Database searches using keywords like DUI, etc.

Most famously is the Texas Sheriff who tracked a woman to Indiana who had an abortion and then arrested her upon her return, using 83,000 cameras.

Our research showed that traffic stops of minorities in some cities rose dramatically after Flock Cameras were installed.
Also, approximately 40%, an astounding number of targets, were misidentified, and in many cases, people were arrested in front of their families, neighbors, co-workers, and some were stopped in traffic. Another famous case of that was in Michigan last month, when a couple who was mistakenly identified was pulled from their vehicle at gunpoint on I-94.
We found that some people were incarcerated up to a month before they were released.

Local police here said they do not use facial recognition, but a man with dementia wandered off, and the cameras were used to find him.
The cameras HAVE solved some crimes and helped find people, but these are surveillance cameras, period, building a network that tracks everyone who passes by one.

And before anyone says it, I agreed to the TOS when I joined social media sites, and I agreed to buy a phone that does the same thing, but no one ever agreed to have a camera on their front lawn tracking everything that happens on their property.

This is why many cities are breaking or not renewing contracts with Flock and why I refuse to install them.
 
Next in line ?
They have been out there as well, just haven't gotten the attention yet ...
I know the cameras the Police wear are Axom, but I haven't looked to see what all Those do.
I haven't either, but I know that they're not brand new, but with so many cities starting to turn their backs on flock, Axon is going to step right in
 
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The Dish installers have been doing the Flock installs and service for some time.
I interviewed with Dish about a year ago, and this was discussed then.
So, nothing new.

As for Flock Cameras, I have mixed feelings.
I am not a fan of mass surveillance.
On the other hand, in PUBLIC areas, there is not expectation of privacy.
And... our local PD actually solved a burglary that happened on my property by seeing the unique vehicle of the perp, and then checking and finding the plate on that same vehicle passing cameras in the area. They arrested the guy, and he was briefly locked up. The theft was only about $300, so he was out pretty quickly.

The detective in that case told me that they have solved many crimes in the area by using the footage from the cameras. Still, I do have concerns about the potential abuse.
 
Not actually talking about privacy. If you are in public, you are fair game for the seeing, by cops or by cameras. Which also means you can video the cops in public. What we're talking about here is way different. It's analogous to the Stasi taking surreptitious pictures and then squirreling them away for years and decades in personal-spying files. It's about what is done with the pictures- of your car, of your face- after Flock takes them. The camera posts are just the visible tip of the spear. This isn't about privacy, it's about a police state. It's about allowing all of the components for 1984 to be put into place in wait of oppressors which could be ourselves if we elect wrong.

There are plenty of CCTV cams already for crime detectives to review video from. They already have 10x the tools they used to have. We have to know when to say "when".

Also, just for clarification, it's Axon, not Axom. This outfit began life with the inventor of the TASER. Actually not a play on LASER, but rather, the inventor, a NASA researcher, created the moniker with inspiration from the title of a 1911 novel Tom Swift and His Electric Rifle. Unfortunately for the enterprising guy, the ATF classified it as a firearm because it used a powder charge to eject the electrodes. Others eventually stepped in to change it over to compressed air, naming the marketing co. Air Taser, which was changed to Taser Int'l. and then in 2017 to Axon, to reflect diversification into body cams and software.
 
I can tell you and Claude were close 🙄
What a ridiculous and UNinformed statement. I actually barely knew Claude. We had very little interaction through the years.
With a divisive issue like Flock cameras.....people seeing pics of Dish installers putting up these things could very well end up going "viral" as they like to say these days and could easily cost Dish hundreds of thousands of customers. I didn't say I WANTED it to happen. Good night...pick your battles.

As for the 2 weeks out svc call dates, I've had 2 or 3 in the past month alone. Did one the other day that was set up 9 days out. I didn't set up these time frames....just reporting what I am seeing.
 
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