dissipointed cant get 10r!

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amc1

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i been trying for 3 weeks now no success. can get just about the rest that there is to get.but 10r is a s.o.b to get .121 whitch is easy i have no problem with,whitch i dont want i get a very high signal,cant seem to find g10r?anyone living in the west coast of nfld canada getting 10r can give any input or openions,please help?:(
 

TiminMb

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Must be frustrating. I can't get the pbs on amc3 nor can I get the hispasat that is way out east.

What kind of elevation and azimuth is it from there? Do you get anything further west?
 

Otter Lake

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I know your flustartion all to well. I live in New Brunswick on the Bay of Fundy. Had same problem took me about 5 weeks to finally get a signial and the best I can get is about 45% quality, its good till it rains! The only advice I can give you is to make very small adjustments on your dish, I ended up moving my dish less than a 1/4 of an inch to get siginal. Can't remember what TP I used, but I can check if you want
 

amc1

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I know your flustartion all to well. I live in New Brunswick on the Bay of Fundy. Had same problem took me about 5 weeks to finally get a signial and the best I can get is about 45% quality, its good till it rains! The only advice I can give you is to make very small adjustments on your dish, I ended up moving my dish less than a 1/4 of an inch to get siginal. Can't remember what TP I used, but I can check if you want
i would like that. im consedering getting a 6ft dish .just wondering if im to far east. the bird is low in the horizen here. i was looking at lnysat and the bird seems to be hotter with c-band.lets hope things improve with g18 . was thinking of moving my dish to the roof of my house and giving it a try from there.im using a 39 s.c. dish :(
 

Tron

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Some of the PBS stations use AC-3 (Dolby Digital) compressed sound. To listen to the audio on these channels, you'll have to have a receiver capable of AC-3 passthrough output (either optical or coaxial), and an audio amp/preamp/receiver with compatible optical or coaxial digital input that will decode Dolby Digital.
 

amc1

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Some of the PBS stations use AC-3 (Dolby Digital) compressed sound. To listen to the audio on these channels, you'll have to have a receiver capable of AC-3 passthrough output (either optical or coaxial), and an audio amp/preamp/receiver with compatible optical or coaxial digital input that will decode Dolby Digital.
tron can you go in to a little more detail?
 

TiminMb

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Some FTA signals have the sound only in dolby digital. You will hear nothing on your TV unless you have a dolby digital receiver (typically part of a audio receiver made for home theature) hooked up to your FTA receiver. If I press the sound button on my remote, it will show an "AC3" logo on those stations. On the Fortec Lifetime Ultra, there is a dolby out plug that you hook to the home theature receiver and it decodes and generates the sound for the station.

Now if only I could get AMC3's pbs stations. I don't get it why I get nothing. I get other signals that I believe are on AMC3, but no pbs. As I said earlier, frustrating.
 

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The dropoff for AMC3 PBS must be pretty quick. On my 76cm dish Montana PBS is pretty strong (72-73) and the other PBS stuff is between 68-69 on the Coolsat
 

Anole

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I love a good technical challenge. :cool:
But, since I live on the other side of the continent, this is all theoretical.

Ya didn't say your city nor lat/long, so I looked on some maps, and made a stab at 'em.

Country Canada
Province Newfoundland
City Channel-Port aux Basques
Latitude 47.56667
Longitude -59.15000

Code:
[FONT=Fixedsys]           Latitude 47° 30.000'N Longitude 59° 25.000'W

                         Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m)    El  Skew
-----------------------------------------------------------------
  EchoStar 9/Intelsat Americas 13  121.0W 248.3 270.3  10.2  38.9
                       Galaxy 10R  123.0W 249.9 272.0   8.9  39.4
[/FONT]
Not 100% accurate, but this'll get us in the right time zone. :)

Two questions...

What LNB are you using?
Have you considered a low noise LNB like an Invacom?

What exactly is that dish?
A 39" Star Choice? (oval)
If so, wouldn't a 36/39" round dish get more signal?

The published signal level map for g10 looks encouraging.
I don't know how accurate they are, nor if they are updated.
Certainly, some weaker transponders won't get that coverage.
If it said you were out of sight , that would have been discouraging.

Getting the weaker of two birds only 2º apart sounds like a big challenge.
Maybe you could try these ideas, in whatever order is easiest for you:
- get a low noise LNB
- get a better dish (suggesting 1m or 1.2m round)
- move dish to roof
- tune while looking for a hot transponder
- build some fine-tuning screw adjustments for your mount
- wait for new satellite :rolleyes:

-- last choice: get a 6' dish and of course consider all the above suggestions.


Hopefully, someone who has had to deal with a problem similar to yours will read and comment on these ideas.
 

amc1

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after 3 weeks trying i can finally say i may of got something Q 95% S 55-59 % but loose signal quite easy. still needs more tweeking . igeet the best signal on 11805 and if the signal comes in on 11720 i think it is i get some of the other channels but it blocks up or the pitcher comes and goes. at least i know what im trying to get now. i though 10r was a mith for a while.lol.i was getting ready to give up on it . the dish moved a little bit and i hit it .maby i should get a 1.2 meter dish?
 

Tron

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tron can you go in to a little more detail?
A post in the FAQ about AC-3 might be a good idea, I didn't realize there wasn't anything on it there :)

Anyhow, a few channels (including the PBS chanels on 87w) have compressed sound (using AC-3, more commonly known as Dolby Digital). This is the same audio compression used on the vast majority of DVDs. To decode the sound on these channels, you need a satellite receiver with a digital audio output (typically a single RCA coaxial output or an optical "TOSLink" output). Additionally, the satellite receiver must be able to pass the AC-3 signal on that digital output. NOT all satellite receivers with digital outputs can pass AC-3 on them.

You would connect the digital output from the satellite receiver (either optical or RCA coaxial) to a digital input (either optical or coaxial) on a home theater audio system capable of decoding Dolby Digital (most modern ones are). The sound from the AC-3-encoded channel would then play through your audio systems speakers when that input would be selected.
 

amc1

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A post in the FAQ about AC-3 might be a good idea, I didn't realize there wasn't anything on it there :)

Anyhow, a few channels (including the PBS chanels on 87w) have compressed sound (using AC-3, more commonly known as Dolby Digital). This is the same audio compression used on the vast majority of DVDs. To decode the sound on these channels, you need a satellite receiver with a digital audio output (typically a single RCA coaxial output or an optical "TOSLink" output). Additionally, the satellite receiver must be able to pass the AC-3 signal on that digital output. NOT all satellite receivers with digital outputs can pass AC-3 on them.

You would connect the digital output from the satellite receiver (either optical or RCA coaxial) to a digital input (either optical or coaxial) on a home theater audio system capable of decoding Dolby Digital (most modern ones are). The sound from the AC-3-encoded channel would then play through your audio systems speakers when that input would be selected.
interesting stuff bro.:up
 

amc1

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after 3 weeks trying i can finally say i may of got something Q 95% S 55-59 % but loose signal quite easy. still needs more tweeking . igeet the best signal on 11805 and if the signal comes in on 11720 i think it is i get some of the other channels but it blocks up or the pitcher comes and goes. at least i know what im trying to get now. i though 10r was a mith for a while.lol.i was getting ready to give up on it . the dish moved a little bit and i hit it .maby i should get a 1.2 meter dish?
now i got the signal does anyone in canada know where i could pick up
a large dish 1.4 or a 6 ft for a reasonably price? and also thanks to all who helped.:up
 

Inno

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I'm currently using an old Star Choice 1m dish. I don't know how common they were/are in your part of the country but in my area you could order one if you were having signal problems. I have one left over from a system I had years ago. If not I'm sure you could have one shipped from one of the sponsors here although the shipping might be a little pricey.

Tim in MB, I have no trouble getting AMC3 from Northwestern Ontario, approx between Winnipeg and Thunder Bay so I don't see any reason why you'd not be able to pick it up in it's entirety. I do know that it's not a very strong signal at best and with my 24" dish it's ok in the winter but once all the trees leaf up in the backyard it's not possible to get it at all.
 

Anole

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matching LNB

I guess you're fed up with the little dishes! ;)

While you can put any LNB on that 6-foot dish, it'd be a shame to spend all that money and not optimize the LNB, too.
The proper thing to use is a prime focus feedhorn and matching LNB as shown on the Invacom site.
Shop around for the feedhorn. Prices vary quite a bit. Probably find one for $25-35.
As for the LNB, the fancy one may be more readily available than the simpler ones.
I think I've seen the QPF (F=flange mount) for the $50-60 range.


edit:
the reason the Fortec 6-foot (1.8m) dish is cheaper delivered, than say a 1.5 or 1.2, or even a 1.0 meter dish, is because of shipping.
The 1.8 breaks down into a smaller box.
 

amc1

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I guess you're fed up with the little dishes! ;)

While you can put any LNB on that 6-foot dish, it'd be a shame to spend all that money and not optimize the LNB, too.
The proper thing to use is a prime focus feedhorn and matching LNB as shown on the Invacom site.
Shop around for the feedhorn. Prices vary quite a bit. Probably find one for $25-35.
As for the LNB, the fancy one may be more readily available than the simpler ones.
I think I've seen the QPF (F=flange mount) for the $50-60 range.


edit:
the reason the Fortec 6-foot (1.8m) dish is cheaper delivered, than say a 1.5 or 1.2, or even a 1.0 meter dish, is because of shipping.
The 1.8 breaks down into a smaller box.
i cant get a good signal for g10r .im using a 39inc c.s. dish . yah thesmaller dishes are more expencive to delever . explain about the lmb and optimizing if you can please?
 

Anole

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telephoto vs. wide-angle

The short answer is this -

The 1.8m dish has a very short focal length for its size.
The typical .9 m dish is quite a bit longer.

Most typical Ku band LNBF's are designed for a F/D ratio of 0.6 or 0.7 (0.6).
C-band dishes (this 1.8m is in that class) have a F/D around .3 or .4 (0.38).
So, for the LNBF to be able to "see" the entire surface of the dish...
... or to receive all the reflected energy right out to the edge...
...the LNBF needs to be more "wide angle" , in camera terms.

There's plenty more info available, and specs to quote, and all, but that's the bare tale.
And all the talk about LNBs being optimized for prime focus or offset-feed dishes, amounts to nothing more than their reception angle.

F/D is focal length of the dish, divided by diameter of the dish.
 
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