AMEN. These people are impossible to deal with. They don't return phone calls or emails. In my case my tenant was eligible for nbc but I was not. It is obvious something is wrong in the system. It is the same house/location/physical address. Whatever they want to call it. Yet, you can't get these people to understand and correct the situation. Also, I hate having CBS and ABC from across the country. I want to see the news in my own state. The whole thing stinks. Directv is getting a call from me also. J
Distant Network Information
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rjallen said:
I will expand on a couple of other posts...janetdee said:
rjallen's problem is that NPS/AAD will not qualify his address for distant networks. Many of us believe there is a problem with the agreement between Dish Network and NPS/AAD. After all, if locals are available to the customer, then distant networks are no longer an option. Additionally, it appears Dish Network did not hand rjallen's information over to NPS/AAD, so of course they have no record of qualification. Technically, if NPS/AAD started a distant network service, all one would need is a qualification. rjallen, you should go here to find out what eligibility you have for distant networks.
janetdee is in the Sherman/Ada market, which is missing a couple of networks. Dish Network had added a couple of Dallas networks to round out the network offerings in the Sherman/Ada locals package. Now that the injunction has taken hold, janetdee is missing those Dallas networks. janetdee can also check on Distant Network Service on the same link provided for rjallen. DirecTV doesn't offer Sherman/Ada locals, so janetdee will not receive any local channels at all. The distant network offering is only for NY or LA channels.
All of this is due to the fact that the Nielsen DMA maps show them to be in a local channel market. It is not Dish Network that assigns customers to a local market; Nielsen Media assigned customers to Designated Markets Areas (DMA's). So Dish Network cannot be blamed for assigning a customer to any given market.
This is basically the "rub" for many of us rural area people. For example, I live on a 1.2 acre corner lot and this is how my actual street address qualifies at the "D" site:
Digital (HD) Distant Network Service Network Affiliate Status
ABC WMUR-DT Grade A (strong signal)
CBS WCAX-DT Grade B (moderate signal)
FOX Eligible
NBC WPTZ-DT Grade B (moderate signal)
This is around the corner using the other street:
ABC WMUR-DT Grade A (strong signal)
CBS Eligible
FOX Eligible
NBC Eligible
Note: My rooftop antenna is within 150 feet of either address.
Now in the real world, I get absolutely no signal on my 622 for any of these channels that it says I have a grade A or B signal for. On the other hand I DO get a great signal for my local PBS & NBC digital channels that they don't even list!
I spent over $500 on a rooftop (2 story house at 800 ft asl) antenna system with rotor & amp specifically to try and get some of these channels.
This is why some of us get a little excited over this issue.
Keep in mind that the "real world" is the problem. You cannot get a signal on your 622 because it is probable that the HD signal cannot get to you.
If one is in an ANALOG Grade A or Grade B area, one does not qualify for HD. The DirecTV qualification is based upon the analog signals. Until the law changes to allow for the use of digital maps, that is.
If one is in an ANALOG Grade A or Grade B area, one does not qualify for HD. The DirecTV qualification is based upon the analog signals. Until the law changes to allow for the use of digital maps, that is.
I define "white area" as not being able to receive OTA. When I go to antenna.org it shows I can get one network OTA-[which is not the case]
The neighbors on the other side of the mountain- get a localized feed of Missoula networks. Local news, local commercials and local special events. Same network feed as Missoula otherwise. My point is I don't get the above just get the same programming as Missoula so I really don't get local programming and for the record, I am NOT in Missoula DMA.
Originally, the easiest way to get DNS was to ask for waivers which I got and the local stations say they will gladly sign-off again. I was grandfathered when the locals were provided by DISH. Please note Direct does not provide a local feed here so I would be able to get DNS from them.
How did you handle the phone connection issue? I'm thinking about "moving" to NY from Kansas. Obviously not the same area code. My locals suck. Don't need them - have basic cable. Also have an RV, so no locals on the road. I'm thinking that with a NY address I would get the NY stations (Conus Feed). Have separate receivers. That way I would have the NY locals at my home and on the road with my RV for the network feeds. Just concerned with the telephone issue? I have an address in Katonah (10536) that I can use. Does anyone see any flaws in this plan? Thanks,
Stan
How about using your cell phone?
I never hook my receiver up to my phone cord. You could even get a toll freee number from the phone company. A lot of college kids were using them pre cell phone era. Of course you pay for the incoming call. God forbid dishnetwork sells your information. You could end up with a high bill.
ETA: I think I may have to move too....
I never hook my receiver up to my phone cord. You could even get a toll freee number from the phone company. A lot of college kids were using them pre cell phone era. Of course you pay for the incoming call. God forbid dishnetwork sells your information. You could end up with a high bill.
ETA: I think I may have to move too....
Do a search on "moving" & you'll find many people have moved, w/out changing their existing # with E* & kept their receivers hooked up - no problems with doing this.
1. What DMA are you in?
2. Does E* carry that DMA's locals? If yes, subscribe. If no, continue.
3. Subscribe to D* and get DNS; switch to locals when available.
It seems simple enough. What am I missing and what does Missoula have to do with any of this?
Yes. The flaw is that you will be "lying" in order to get something that you are not legally entitled to.
Moral issues aside, if your recvr cals in from the phone numebr on the bill no problems. I have not heard of any one being caught moving by the diffrent area code. Most people just leave the recvrs unplugged.
That's true in a "Black & White" world. Unfortunately, things are rarely that way. There are always "Grey" areas. It's who ever has the most political clout that seems to get "their" way. Right, wrong, fair, or unfair. that's the way it is. One of America's strengths is that we find ways to make it work. What you say is a BIG consideration, but it seems we are foreced to make "creative" solutions because of the arbitrary and rediculous rules, judges intrepretaions, and stupid laws. I had an RV waiver before December 1st, but no matter how logical it seems to allow for a RV waiver, there are no provisions for that now. The NPS thing is still up in the air and I am waiting for them to process my waiver, again. Their appears to possible "legal" and quality issues there too.
It looks like the only practical way for an RV owner to get network feeds of any kind is to "move" to an area where the "locals" are on a conus feed instead of a spot beam. The government recognizes that a family can own two homes and one of them can be a "RV". Doesn't it seem the fair and right thing to do is to allow for a "conus" feed locals for RV owners? It's extremely important that this be allowed for those thousands of RV owners who live in their RVs full time.
I have written my representative and two senators about this issue, but know the politial process is a slow one and does not always result in the right and fair course of action.
I only bring this to your attention for consideration that things are not always as clear cut as they might seem from your reply. Still your opinion has merit.
Aside from the "legal" issue your bring up, what are the "practical considerations"? I'm just trying to assess all options. No decision has been made.
Well folks, it finally has happened.
"I waz sitting warwey quiatly waitin' for a wabbit to shoot", and I got a call from AllAmerican and the sweet little gal asked if I was still interested in distant networks. Guess several people have decided to move to DirecTV instead of waiting for AllAmerican to show up to the party and had canceled. I told her yes and she told me that she had my RV waiver and would have 8 new channels within 24 hours. They were on my guide and available several hours later. Needless to say, I was pleasantly surprised. I really never thought they would come through........I asked if they were concerned about the law suit against them and she said "no".
Now we will see how long I get to keep them..........
"I waz sitting warwey quiatly waitin' for a wabbit to shoot", and I got a call from AllAmerican and the sweet little gal asked if I was still interested in distant networks. Guess several people have decided to move to DirecTV instead of waiting for AllAmerican to show up to the party and had canceled. I told her yes and she told me that she had my RV waiver and would have 8 new channels within 24 hours. They were on my guide and available several hours later. Needless to say, I was pleasantly surprised. I really never thought they would come through........I asked if they were concerned about the law suit against them and she said "no".
Now we will see how long I get to keep them..........
Well folks, it finally has happened.
"I waz sitting warwey quiatly waitin' for a wabbit to shoot", and I got a call from AllAmerican and the sweet little gal asked if I was still interested in distant networks. Guess several people have decided to move to DirecTV instead of waiting for AllAmerican to show up to the party and had canceled. I told her yes and she told me that she had my RV waiver and would have 8 new channels within 24 hours. They were on my guide and available several hours later. Needless to say, I was pleasantly surprised. I really never thought they would come through........I asked if they were concerned about the law suit against them and she said "no".
Now we will see how long I get to keep them..........
When did you fax in the request?
Mitch
Hi, I checked the link for directv and it says I can get the locals and need a waiver for CBS. Just to make things more complicated. CBS not NBC. So something is strange all around with figuring out who gets what channels.....Any way, No one is addressing my real problems which is than they are giving my tenant the channel (who obviously lives in the same house, same service location, same area code and same dish) and will not give it to me. Some one just emailed me asking for a utility bill with my address and my tenants info. We'll see what comes of that.....J
A la carte programming
All of this fuss about who gets what channels would be eliminated if the satellite industry would go to a la carte programming, where for so much per channel, you could pick what comes your way. The FCC has already put the satellite programmers on notice that they favor it, and it would likely save consumers money. After all, how many channels do you actually watch? 15? 20? 30? Of course, the satellite providers will fight it tooth-and-nail, claiming it is not technically feasible (not true) and will result in higher subscriber costs (if they can get away with it).
Canadian satellite providers are a lot closer to such programming, with over a half dozen theme packs that can be added to their basic offering. Then, you can add certain individual channels a la carte (including East and West Coast US and Canadian network HDs) to tailor a package that is right for you. If they can do it, D* and E* can also.
They have also taken care of local ads on network programming with simultaneous substitution (simsub). When a network program is carried on a distant channel, the satellite provider automatically switches in the subscriber's local station, and of course its ads during the show. Cablecos used to do this all the time and many still do.
Going to a la carte will be a political football, with the FCC tugging one way (along with most subscribers) and the satellite providers vehemently opposed.
All of this fuss about who gets what channels would be eliminated if the satellite industry would go to a la carte programming, where for so much per channel, you could pick what comes your way. The FCC has already put the satellite programmers on notice that they favor it, and it would likely save consumers money. After all, how many channels do you actually watch? 15? 20? 30? Of course, the satellite providers will fight it tooth-and-nail, claiming it is not technically feasible (not true) and will result in higher subscriber costs (if they can get away with it).
Canadian satellite providers are a lot closer to such programming, with over a half dozen theme packs that can be added to their basic offering. Then, you can add certain individual channels a la carte (including East and West Coast US and Canadian network HDs) to tailor a package that is right for you. If they can do it, D* and E* can also.
They have also taken care of local ads on network programming with simultaneous substitution (simsub). When a network program is carried on a distant channel, the satellite provider automatically switches in the subscriber's local station, and of course its ads during the show. Cablecos used to do this all the time and many still do.
Going to a la carte will be a political football, with the FCC tugging one way (along with most subscribers) and the satellite providers vehemently opposed.
I live in Cancun Mexico and have enjoyed the distant channels since we moved here. Today of course they quit and I can't get my local channels because the satellite guy says we (everybody that lives in Cancun and has Dish) cannot reach the Western SAT # 110.
Is this true?
Can't I just get some more elevation or something else?
Thanx,
JG
Is this true?
Can't I just get some more elevation or something else?
Thanx,
JG
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Maybe it's a mistake that your tenant has more than allowed since people and/or systems do make mistakes. But if you feel the morale thing to do is call and report your tenant and have his/her services cut, go ahead.
The FCC recommends a la carte, but that's not for retransmission of local broadcasts.
Guess you must have a service address somewhere in the upper 50.
To get enough elevation from Cancun, you will probably have to go up a couple of thousand miles, and possibly over some, to try and get in the line of transmission from the satellite to the point it is transmitting to for most of the locals.For more info, scroll down the below link until you get to "Larger and more detailed maps of E*10 spot beams". The first one will give you the various foot prints of the spotbeams on the 110 satellite. Then they have additional links for transponders.
http://www.dbstalk.com/ekb/satmaps.htm
