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Doesn't look like things are moving very fast to get FBN on Dish. In the end I think that we should have the option to get ANY channel - at least ala carte.
Speaking of Fox News and FBN: No matter how you feel about those channels it would be hard not to get a good laugh out of this spoof site. - [WARNING: ALL CLIPS TAKEN FROM FOX NEWS. NSFW?]
Speaking of Fox News and FBN: No matter how you feel about those channels it would be hard not to get a good laugh out of this spoof site. - [WARNING: ALL CLIPS TAKEN FROM FOX NEWS. NSFW?]
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If this thread is representative of what goes on in the pit i'm going to have to spend time there. Absolutely hilarious guys. I lean left myself, but the fact that you are both talking past each other is what makes this thread so funny.
As for adding the channel. I say add it. There's nothing wrong with having more choice. People will choose what to believe regarless of what they choose to watch. I see nothing wrong with people being able to watch something that is consistent with their viewpoint.
Can't we all just admit that all channels are biased in reporting in one or another direction? (Some more than others) Reporting is done by people and all people have biases. Only the most disciplined reporting is able to avoid having that bias shade the news. These channels aren't here to be neutral or balanced. They're around to make money and catering to their viewers' biases is a way to keep them watching and improve ratings. The only way to get unbiased reporting is if we get disinterested machines to do it (and even then, the programer's bias might impact the reporting). But who wants that? Sometimes it's good to see what the other side is saying, it gives you perspective on where they're coming from...
As for adding the channel. I say add it. There's nothing wrong with having more choice. People will choose what to believe regarless of what they choose to watch. I see nothing wrong with people being able to watch something that is consistent with their viewpoint.
Can't we all just admit that all channels are biased in reporting in one or another direction? (Some more than others) Reporting is done by people and all people have biases. Only the most disciplined reporting is able to avoid having that bias shade the news. These channels aren't here to be neutral or balanced. They're around to make money and catering to their viewers' biases is a way to keep them watching and improve ratings. The only way to get unbiased reporting is if we get disinterested machines to do it (and even then, the programer's bias might impact the reporting). But who wants that? Sometimes it's good to see what the other side is saying, it gives you perspective on where they're coming from...
FBN has 30 million households thus far and is averaging 6,000 viewers during the daytime. No, that was not a typo.
Fox Biz Channel all but invisible
So if we took Dish's 13,000,000 customers (say that this was put in the most basic package) and used that math: Only 2600 Dish customers would tune in during the day.
Now being this would be a top 200 or top 250 channel anyways start taking the knives to the figure. Maybe cut that by 1/3 or 1/2? Then calculate how much Murdoch is asking for as far as a per subscriber premium.
At this juncture it probably does not make good business sense to add it unless it comes really cheap.
Fox Biz Channel all but invisible
So if we took Dish's 13,000,000 customers (say that this was put in the most basic package) and used that math: Only 2600 Dish customers would tune in during the day.
Now being this would be a top 200 or top 250 channel anyways start taking the knives to the figure. Maybe cut that by 1/3 or 1/2? Then calculate how much Murdoch is asking for as far as a per subscriber premium.
At this juncture it probably does not make good business sense to add it unless it comes really cheap.
Yeah... I'll bet Veria Channel on Dish gets an average of 50-100 viewers at even their best hour, and they had a head start of a couple months on FBN. 6,000 is pretty good considering FBN is a NEW CHANNEL. They expected it to take 3 years to pass CNBC... it has been live for like 3 months. Like I said before, I am happy to be one of those 6,000 viewers. BHN has had it since day one. I gave up my Dish a couple weeks ago for lack of adds in general.
FBN is a quality channel.. but of course you wouldn't know that since you are a Dish subscriber. I feel for those that have Dish and want the channel. Good luck convincing that douchebag Charlie.
I agree. They seem to have the best coverage of the porn industry (guests such as Mary Carey) and small business owners like "naked cowboy."
It is this type of hard hitting news that will help it to hurdle CNBC in the coming years.
Ok, I'm joking. The reality is that people don't want their business news "slanted." It is one thing to have your regular news fit your ideological perspective, but when it comes to the almighty dollar people want better reporting, and less fluff. More substance and less gimmick. At least I do. I don't think CNBC is shaking in their boots.
Maybe it will do well as a quasi-business/entertainment channel which is an entirely new demographic, separate from CNBC's core enterpenurial audience. I guess only time will tell.
In the mean time, Charlie should hold his ground, keep laughing at the (much worse then) horrid ratings and tell Rupert that they'd love to have the channel - but for 10 cents on the dollar of what I am sure is being currently asked.
Those are not horrible ratings for a NEW channel. Also, the news isn't slanted. All these people think Fox News is slanted and that is #1 in cable news. So either people DO want their news slanted OR Fox News is not slanted. You can't have it both ways.
I of course am of the opinion that both Fox News and FBN are fair and balanced with their news. They are not slanted at all.
FBN has not caught on yet because a lot of people haven't even heard of it or seen it yet. Time will tell... as you said.
I personally can only take Fox News in small doses (I watch for the Girls Gone Wild stuff and TMZ-esque reporting.) As an entertainment channel it has its high points. However, when they start comparing George Bush to Abraham Lincoln, I usually just snicker and turn the channel.
Enough of the Fox News porn comparison.... that is like saying watching a breast cancer special on Veria is porn. People aren't sitting home jerking off to Dominica Davis the way you play it up to be. We all know there are some good looking girls on Fox News and FBN (especially Greta, although I liked her better before she had her mouth realigned from that cigar mouth to what it is now).
I don't jerk off to the ditsy plasticized anchors. I save that for the racy content, as Fox is the #1 cable news network for smut. Good smut. Oh I love me some smut!
....ok...I am getting turned on.....off to 205 I go with the left hand and with the right....er.....well.....
I am listening to the Dave Ramsey show now. He had an emailer say he just got E* and noticed that FBN was not on. So he called a CSR and they said they get 30-40 calls a day about getting this channel on E* just for his show. The CSR says they are working hard to get it and it is getting closer to happening.
A CSR at Dish (or a CSR at Direct, Comcast...) knows as much about channel negotiations for their company as the guy behind the counter at 7-11 does.
With that nasty little law suit Dish still has to settle with News Corp still going. . .don't expect this any time soon. As it is, News Corp thinks dish is screwing them by putting the Fox News Channel in the AT200 rather than the AT100. They are not going to give Dish any more channels which they could do the same thing. . .
MSNBC used to be okay, then 5 years ago they went hard left, and now I just take a quick look occasionally to see if they're kow-towing on Mao's grave yet.
CNBC was a great business channel, but--two years ago they started slanting left, and they're still doing it. From daily watching I'm down to looking in every 2 or 3 weeks.
So I'm down to Bloomberg, and what does Bloomberg himself do? He becomes an independent, switching from Republican. I wonder if George Soros, foreign born liberal/radical/leftist who wants to be the power behind the throne, has bought part (or already owned part) of Bloomberg TV? Next thing I know, I'll be down to reading the Wall Street Journal in the crapper...
Yeah, FBN HD would be great. I'd rather see Mary Carey (or Casey, as the case may be) than be watching Obama's mama...
Have a good one.
CNBC was a great business channel, but--two years ago they started slanting left, and they're still doing it. From daily watching I'm down to looking in every 2 or 3 weeks.
So I'm down to Bloomberg, and what does Bloomberg himself do? He becomes an independent, switching from Republican. I wonder if George Soros, foreign born liberal/radical/leftist who wants to be the power behind the throne, has bought part (or already owned part) of Bloomberg TV? Next thing I know, I'll be down to reading the Wall Street Journal in the crapper...
Yeah, FBN HD would be great. I'd rather see Mary Carey (or Casey, as the case may be) than be watching Obama's mama...
Have a good one.
Wow, I cannot believe Dish still doesn't have FBN. I had it day one with BHN in standard def and have since ditched Dish Network and subscribed to DirecTV. So as we speak I am watching Fox Business Network in HD on DirecTV. It looks so sexy with the side bar and wide screen in HD. I can't wait for Fox News in HD to come to DirecTV. They say another 50 or so channels are coming to DirecTV in the fall, including Fox News HD, when the new sat is operational.
