Unless cable comes out with a DVR like the superior Hopper 3, I would never consider switching from DISH.
Future of DBS television?
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Navchop is still waiting for the Hopper 3.1 (it adds a red record light)
Hes gonna be waiting for awhile.
Hes gonna be waiting for awhile.
Agreed in general. For OTA-only, I found the Roamio to be adequate. With the addition of the Stream, we were able to download content for offline viewing, even if we were already out of town. Of course, I understand the new software has broken a few things along the way. The Tivo Mini trick-play and UI performance was excellent compared to all other client boxes I've used. The Joey 3 might be as good -- dunno as I haven't had the opportunity to try one.
I agree. I also have the minimum package TV Choice with Charter Spectrum TV streaming so I can get Fox News Go access, Fox Business Go access, access to a couple other apps, and get a couple channels in HD that I can’t get in HD with Dish Network. (I had a choice of ten channels from a select list.) Otherwise I love Dish Network all the way.
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I think navyshop is real close to updating to a Hopper 3 system. Once he gets it cleared thru his Commander N Chief!!Navchop is still waiting for the Hopper 3.1 (it adds a red record light)
Hes gonna be waiting for awhile.
I posted before I use my new TABLO dvr for my ota channels and for my version of Primetime anytime over my Roku stick. It works well and it gives me full guide information for all my channels and sub channels. I have my hopper3 and 4k joey for my living room and master bedroom. I use Roku sticks and Amazon fire sticks on the other tvs. This gives me access to Tablo app and DISH anywhere on any of my 4 tvs. I only sub to Flex pack and News pack and HBO till the special drops off 9/30. I still resent paying for the $15.00 dvr fee and use the 2 year price deals to lock in my price and get so much off my monthly bill. I wish that the locals wouldn't be pushing to get more money every year as it has pushed the price of locals to $12.00 a month. I just can't see paying $12.00 for something I can get for free ota. I am glad DISH finally allowed us the option to drop them to save money. Once my price lock ends in December I hope to get another 2 year price lock if I can. After 22 years come January, I am more than used to DISH and would like to keep it if I can. But if the new deal isn't up to snuff I might have to just add Sling tv in place of DISH as it would cut my bill down to about $60.00 with no real fees other than the $5.00 dvr fee. But the dvr cloud is small and my wife would use up the 50 hours in no time flat on HGTV and DIY shows. I wish that Sling tv would go up to 100 hours on their cloud dvr then I might make the switch.
I'm surprised TheKrell hasn't yet reported in anywhere extolling the vast improvements of the Hopper3 over the ViPs.
Idea for Dish (although they probably have already thought of it): Hopper Duo (and Joeys as clients) with only locals (but maybe more locals, like sub-channels), and then a Sling subscription for the "cable" channels, for those of us who have good internet access, but not good OTA reception.
How goes it TheKrell?I'm surprised TheKrell hasn't yet reported in anywhere extolling the vast improvements of the Hopper3 over the ViPs.
Navchop is still waiting for the Hopper 3.1 (it adds a red record light)
Hes gonna be waiting for awhile.
I seem to recall a certain promise regarding the red LED recording in progress light....
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FWIW my point was that the value of Dish/DTV is greatest when there are few/no alternatives. So in an “end game” for sat TV, those would likely be the “last” customers. It seems to me that they would be…The DBS market in the future will be Rural and/or Power Viewers. The Rural viewers won’t have a choice and the Power Viewers, like JSheridan, won’t want one
1 - Rural users with few/no alternatives for TV.
2 - Power users with multiple viewers and/or techno-savy viewers who take advantage of the hardware & DVR (e.g. Hopper 3)
3 - Users who are happy as it is and simply don’t want to change (e.g. switch to and/or add streaming).
BTW we are retired rural Dish users with NO alternative for local channels - so we sub to the Welcome pack. We have limited 4Mb/sec WISP internet - but we stream 2-3 hours/evening anyway.
Yeah I said send your Hopper 3 to me and I will install one for you.
(Hope you don't mind the red light being on all the time) 
30 million customers use dbs satellite so it's going to be around for a long long time.
How do you watch live local broadcasts if you're streaming? Or live sports?? I mean, I know there are sites where you can stream live sports, but they generally suck. I think Yahoo stopped streaming NFL Games because it was just terrible
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I have Vue, I get all my locals, Fox Sports Detroit, Big Ten, ESPN, etc all live, been that way for more then a year now.
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Vue is on the Roku, Apple TV and Fire TV, same for all the OTT Services.
Hmm, I'll have top look into Vue. I just always thought it was PS only, not that I really put a whole lot of thought into it
They should really change the name as a lot of people think you can only watch it on a Playstation. This is not the case at all.
I'm surprised TheKrell hasn't yet reported in anywhere extolling the vast improvements of the Hopper3 over the ViPs.
It goes nowhere because Dish kept pushing out the arrival time of my tech until after 6PM. I rescheduled due to my vacation the next day.
That was two weeks ago.
