Help finding HDTV

[errett]

I was comparing SD on my 27 to HD on all the 1080p DLPs. I was looking at a top of the line 50" Sony SXRD 1080p with OTA CBS HD and also HD DirectTV. In some scenes it was a little clearer, but it general it was fuzzier than a tube tv. Now when I looked at plasmas, they were CERTAINLY clearer than any other set. No comparison there.

I don't think Sony makes a DLP. They make LCD and LCoS. The SXRD is Silicon X-tal Reflective Display.

 

[BrettTRay]

From what I've been told it wouldn't matter anyway if anyone was broadcasting in 1080p because the TV sets that do 1080p can not accept true 1080p they can only accept 480i,480p,720p, and 1080i and upconvert it to 1080p. Like I said that is what i've been told by some pretty good sources but they could be wrong.

 

[jergenf]

I'm planning on getting the 2405FPW. It an LCD computer display 1920x1200 (16:10) 24 inch with DVI, component, composite (s-video) input and optional speakers. It also has the contrast ratio and response time for PC gaming. Although it lists for $1200, being that it usefull for computer and entertainment it saves over buying separate displays. Bare in mind you have 6 months to save more money before you get your PS3 system.

The smallest RP set is 36 inches and the cost is the the thousands. No CRT at 27 inches or higher has the dot pitch to do anything higher than 768p. Computer grade CRTs at 21 (4:3) or 24 (16:10) rarely have component inputs but if you find one that probably will be closest to affordable.

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,120529,00.asp

 

[GeorgeLV]

From what I've been told it wouldn't matter anyway if anyone was broadcasting in 1080p because the TV sets that do 1080p can not accept true 1080p they can only accept 480i,480p,720p, and 1080i and upconvert it to 1080p. Like I said that is what i've been told by some pretty good sources but they could be wrong.

Currently only dual link dvi can do 1080p60. The next revision of HDMI is supposed to support it. (at least that's what the guy on Industry Inisders on HDnet said)

 

[jergenf]

Currently only dual link dvi can do 1080p60. The next revision of HDMI is supposed to support it. (at least that's what the guy on Industry Inisders on HDnet said)

I believe it's fair to say that all (most) computer monitors support dual link or at least a high bandwidth of 165Mhz or more. Also very few TV monitors have true 2 mega pixel capabilites, certainly not under a thousand dollars.

 

[GeorgeLV]

I believe it's fair to say that all (most) computer monitors support dual link or at least a high bandwidth of 165Mhz or more. Also very few TV monitors have true 2 mega pixel capabilites, certainly not under a thousand dollars.

Unless you think everyone with a pc has an Apple Cinema Display, the answer is no.

 

[NOHDjunkie]

I was comparing SD on my 27 to HD on all the 1080p DLPs. I was looking at a top of the line 50" Sony SXRD 1080p with OTA CBS HD and also HD DirectTV. In some scenes it was a little clearer, but it general it was fuzzier than a tube tv. Now when I looked at plasmas, they were CERTAINLY clearer than any other set. No comparison there.

Apparently you havent seen many properly set up sets or you weren't looking at an HD source on the HD sets.

 

[jergenf]

Unless you think everyone with a pc has an Apple Cinema Display, the answer is no.

The apple cinema display is a 4 mega pixel display and most graphic cards can't go that high. Their are allot of 2 mega pixel PC monitors both in CRT and LCD maybe they're not dual DVI but least 165Mhz of video bandwidth.

 

[SatinKzo]

PS. Ive blown out windows w/ those speakers

Why is this something to be proud of? Louder is not always better. (This coming from a metal head)

 

[AndyOI]

Apparently you havent seen many properly set up sets or you weren't looking at an HD source on the HD sets.

Well I've seen DVDs, OTA CBS HD, DirectTV HD and they ALL have some sort of fuzziness to them. On TVs ranging from $1500 720p DLPs to $4000 Mitsubishi 1080p DLPs and a SOny WEGA SXRD 1080p. Now granted they are bigger, but they simply can't compete in picture quality with a regular small (32" and lower) CRT display.

 

[sA :: Shaggy]

Why is this something to be proud of? Louder is not always better. (This coming from a metal head)

The window installers where coming out that day. It was summer and I was bored so what does a bored teenager do with themselfs hmmmm. lets see if I can blow out that window yep I guess I can. :clap

 

[errett]

Well I've seen DVDs, OTA CBS HD, DirectTV HD and they ALL have some sort of fuzziness to them. On TVs ranging from $1500 720p DLPs to $4000 Mitsubishi 1080p DLPs and a SOny WEGA SXRD 1080p. Now granted they are bigger, but they simply can't compete in picture quality with a regular small (32" and lower) CRT display.

To each their own, but that opinion ought to save you a ton in future tv purchases. I haven't had anyone come in my house that wasn't blown away by our HD set. BTW, it replaced a 27" Sony SD CRT.

I honestly don't think something was set-up correctly if you thought the SD feed looked cleaner.

 

[teachsac]

Actually HDMI supports 1080P. Problem is there is nothing out there that's 1080P

What types of video does HDMI support?
HDMI has the capacity to support existing high-definition video formats (720p, 1080i, and even 1080p). It also has the flexibility to support enhanced definition formats such as 480p, as well as standard definition formats such as NTSC or PAL.

 

[AndyOI]

To each their own, but that opinion ought to save you a ton in future tv purchases. I haven't had anyone come in my house that wasn't blown away by our HD set. BTW, it replaced a 27" Sony SD CRT.

I honestly don't think something was set-up correctly if you thought the SD feed looked cleaner.

Well actually it means my future TV purchases will cost that much more because plasma is the only thing that looks better to me . No garauntee that different stores had their sets set-up correctly though when I looked.

 

[Jordan420]

From what I've been told it wouldn't matter anyway if anyone was broadcasting in 1080p because the TV sets that do 1080p can not accept true 1080p they can only accept 480i,480p,720p, and 1080i and upconvert it to 1080p. Like I said that is what i've been told by some pretty good sources but they could be wrong.

The HP accepts a 1080p input and more will in the future

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-YMXwbbYioHq/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?i=319MD6580N

I was comparing SD on my 27 to HD on all the 1080p DLPs. I was looking at a top of the line 50" Sony SXRD 1080p with OTA CBS HD and also HD DirectTV. In some scenes it was a little clearer, but it general it was fuzzier than a tube tv. Now when I looked at plasmas, they were CERTAINLY clearer than any other set. No comparison there.

To this all I have to say is
Dude, can you hook me up with your dealer 'cause he's got better sh*t than mine!

 

[NOHDjunkie]

Well I've seen DVDs, OTA CBS HD, DirectTV HD and they ALL have some sort of fuzziness to them. On TVs ranging from $1500 720p DLPs to $4000 Mitsubishi 1080p DLPs and a SOny WEGA SXRD 1080p. Now granted they are bigger, but they simply can't compete in picture quality with a regular small (32" and lower) CRT display.

Once again, The TV's in the showroom were probably set on torch mode. (ie. not set up properly)

Direct TV HD is not a particularly good source.

The CBS OTA HD may not have been broadcasting HD at the time you saw it (usually only for football/sports or during prime time) or the local CBS affiliate may be multicasting w sub channels thus crushing the bandwidth.

The DVD also may have been a crappy transfer title. Try a good showcase DVD like The Fifth Element or THe Chronicles Of Riddick.

Never judge a TV by its image in a showroom.

Never ever has anyone who has seen any of my three HDTV setups ever said anything other than WOW! (720P LCD projector 100" diagonal, 51" CRT RPTV and a 50" DLP RPTV)

The fact that the plasma displays you looked at "Wowed" you means you can see the difference between SD and HD. and the facts are, that CRT, LCD and DLP are every bit as good for PQ as Plasma... provided they are adjusted correctly. Plasma is the most expensive of the standard technologies. you can save a lot of $$ by going LCD, CRT or DLP and have a picture that is every bit as good or better than a Plasma set.

I'm not trying to invalidate your opinion and mean no disrespect. but a SD image on a 27" SD TV simply cannot compete with an HD image on a decent HD display, be it plasma, DLP, LCD, Lcos, or CRT.

The only good thing about SD CRT's is that they are really cheap now. Hell I've got three. a 27" in my Gazebo so I can watch TV when grilling or lounging outside, a 20" in the kitchen for when I'm cooking, and a 13" in my camper.

 

[AndyOI]

Once again, The TV's in the showroom were probably set on torch mode. (ie. not set up properly)

Direct TV HD is not a particularly good source.

The CBS OTA HD may not have been broadcasting HD at the time you saw it (usually only for football/sports or during prime time) or the local CBS affiliate may be multicasting w sub channels thus crushing the bandwidth.

The DVD also may have been a crappy transfer title. Try a good showcase DVD like The Fifth Element or THe Chronicles Of Riddick.

Never judge a TV by its image in a showroom.

Never ever has anyone who has seen any of my three HDTV setups ever said anything other than WOW! (720P LCD projector 100" diagonal, 51" CRT RPTV and a 50" DLP RPTV)

The fact that the plasma displays you looked at "Wowed" you means you can see the difference between SD and HD. and the facts are, that CRT, LCD and DLP are every bit as good for PQ as Plasma... provided they are adjusted correctly. Plasma is the most expensive of the standard technologies. you can save a lot of $$ by going LCD, CRT or DLP and have a picture that is every bit as good or better than a Plasma set.

I'm not trying to invalidate your opinion and mean no disrespect. but a SD image on a 27" SD TV simply cannot compete with an HD image on a decent HD display, be it plasma, DLP, LCD, Lcos, or CRT.

The only good thing about SD CRT's is that they are really cheap now. Hell I've got three. a 27" in my Gazebo so I can watch TV when grilling or lounging outside, a 20" in the kitchen for when I'm cooking, and a 13" in my camper.

The CBS OTA was in HD (football game) as it was a HUGE difference in quality vs SD CBS on the same sets.

You may be entirely correct the DLPs are not set up correctly at the stores, but I'm not sure how I could possibly bring myself to buy one when they just don't look perfect. I have reviewed TVs at 3 different stores by the way, Bestbuy, Tweeter and The Big Screen Store.

Some of the 1080p DLPs have been shown featuring a Demo 1080p video which looks AMAZING but none of the real source channels show up like that.