I disagree. It's his property! If the damn HOA wants to pay half this guy's mortgage, THEN they should be able to tell him what to do with his property. HOAs are parasites.
Regarding the above linked fcc pdf...
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The link above is the ruling affirming the trial court's decision that the Hollidays were excessive in their farm of antennas. Interesting read.
I agree with the court's decision in favor of the HOA in restricting the guy's number of antennas used. There are better ways to feed a 10 tv house than with an antenna for each tv.
Not really related to this thread's topic, just an interesting outcome setting more precedence.
My two cents:
I know that some of the folks in this thread feel a little oppressed by living in a society that needs laws to stop the most unethical, unreasonable and inconsiderate among us from trampling the rights of others. But you really should get over the need to strap that virtual six-shooter onto your hip.
Dishcomm, you're right. HOAs were created for the purpose of preserving property values. But further, they were also created for the purpose of making living in the neighborhood a more enjoyable experience for those that live there. This includes many of the restrictions that you seem to be offended by, such as not leaving your garage door open all day with the pile of crap filling up one of the bays like a flea market. Or flying flags. How'd you like it if the flag your neighbor's flying doesn't have stars and stripes, but KKK on it? And guess what. I'd rather have to get my colors approved than take the risk of having a hot pink house next to mine when I'm trying to sell it.
Anyone who moves into a neighborhood run by one of these HOA's deserves what they get. I have no sympathy for you. Sorry, but I'm frankly tired of people who agree to a HOA and then complain about them. You agreed to let some busybody supervise your home life so live with it!
But you should also know, if one of these organizations starts up after you moved into the neighborhood, you are not obligated by any law to be a member. That's the situation we have here. A few home owners thought it would be cute if they started one of these and could execute their control over their neighbors. Many of us told them where to go when they came around with the contract to sign up. In this neighborhood we have enough legal codes and zoning ordinances to keep bad people from ruining the place. So what good would a HOA do us? There were a couple additional controls these busy bodies thought they needed that the law doesn't provide yet a civil HOA contract would.
1. Ability to dictate what color your house could be.
2. How many cars you could have in your driveway.
3. Whether or not children could play in your front yard..
4. And last but not least, YES! you had to have cable TV, no satellite, no local broadcast.
There were other things too, a list of about 25 as I recall but I wadded up the paper and threw it in the guys face and told him he was trespassing, soliciting without a permit, and to get off my property.
No I'm not offended..There are good techs and bad techs ..Just as there are good accountants and bad ones...No one I know in this business would put a dish in place to be seen for advertising purposes...In fact this is the first I have heard of such a theory..I can tell you for a fact and with no ambiguity that dish has no such policy requesting dishes be paced in the manner as you described.Sure- playing devil's advocate here-
President of HOA has stock in Cable company; Same reason why the HOA has disproved your request to paint your house white, Blue or Green. They are a self proclaimed artist and to them the colors clash with the neighbors.
Should be same as the Mail box along the street. That is a regulation piece of metal and HOA's permit them but not Dishes.
But personally, I will make every effort to put the dishes ( I have three plus a yagi OTA antenna) out of sight, yet effective because I DO feel that a dish in the front yard on a tripod or a pole, looks bad, out of place, etc. BUT that's my opinion. I want my Dish where I have it, on the back side of the roof out of sight. Unfortunately, both D* and E* are now insisting on putting their larger dishes on poles or tripods in the front yard even with clear shots to the bird elsewhere out of sight. Personally, I think it is an advertising thing.
So what we have is an arbitrary decision made by an installer who typically was flippin burgers last week and this week is a satellite installer because he didn't get the other job sweeping hair at the barber shop. These guys know nothing about codes and don't care. They are unregulated, and mostly unprofessional.
Now those of you who do take pride in your installation work, you obviously don't need to take offense at what I said. You are not part of this bunch. But you probably admit that a huge percentage of the installers are like this. If you did take offense, than maybe you need to take a good hard look at what you are doing.
Personally, I think it is an advertising thing.
In Jacksonville, FL. it is very tough to get a permit to advertise anything anywhere unless you pay big bucks for a permit and wait months for approval. I once put a small sign in my front yard that was 9x14 " that had nothing more than my house number on it about 12 inches above ground I was cited for violating the sign ordinance. City permits house numbers only on or near the mailbox which must be next to the front door. This is code! BUT, today, I see hundreds of oval gray signs that advertise Dish or DirecTV in the front yard.
Some HOA's get price breaks from the local cableco, that goes a long way to not liking dishes.Again, no one seems to be able to come up with an answer as to why the mere sight of a little 20" dish cause so many so much consternation...
The cable co. at my former community would only give the price break if everyone would sign up for cable. Fortunately, I wasn't the only one who wanted to keep satellite. There were many unhappy owners who wanted the lower price. If they had the votes, it would have been part of the monthly fee and everyone would get the same basic package with no option to upgrade.Some HOA's get price breaks from the local cableco, that goes a long way to not liking dishes.
The cable co. at my former community would only give the price break if everyone would sign up for cable. Fortunately, I wasn't the only one who wanted to keep satellite. There were many unhappy owners who wanted the lower price. If they had the votes, it would have been part of the monthly fee and everyone would get the same basic package with no option to upgrade.
Hello,
I came across this Board and thought I'd contribute. 3 years after my WiFi server installed my antenna (it's mounted on MY roof at the very edge on wood). From the street, you'd have to strain your neck to see it, but it is the only dish along the backside of a row of houses. I didn't even realize it was there until I was told to move it a few weeks ago by my HOA.
When I asked my server to move it 6' back from the roof, they gave me 2 valid reasons why they could not, particularly if they did that, it would infiltrate the membrane of my roof, causing leaks & other problems. They also sent me 2 links about the FCC OTARD rules/laws which I read thoroughly and it seems that they their laws override what the CC&Rs might state (some kind of architectural rule). I put together a packet for the Board to review at a recent meeting including printed out pages of the FCC rules/laws. They responded in the same way - that I have to move my antenna 30 days from the date on letter!
I was told I had the right to Petition the FCC which is now finished and I plan to send it off today. This is SO aggravating and I don't know what to expect. This is a relatively new Property Management Company and a new HOA Board and I guess the antennae being where it is - bothered someone who doesn't have a life !!!
If the FCC prevails, is that the end of it? If not, I would have to find another place to put it which is unknown to me and the server!
Disgusted in SF.
The regulation is to prevent the HOA or landlord from requiring prior written permission if it would cause an unnecessary delay. It does not say anything against the installer requiring prior written permission (to protect their own butt) before doing an installation in a HOA. If the customer does not like it, they can always find another installer that does not have such a policy, or do a self-install.Written permission to place a dish may not be permitted by FCC guidelines/regulations, considered excessive if it delays installation, especially if the general answer is to control location or deny installation.
Again present them the FCC guidelines. This is why the office I worked out of required that any home in a HOA area first have written permission to place dish. If we showed up and they didn't have permission, it was a no go.
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