How things have changed

[navychop]

I'm so old, I remember a few evening shows being on five nights a week.

 

[Bruce]

So much of streaming is a waste but you still have to pay for it if you want 1 thing.

How is that different than Traditional Paid Live TV?

Based on how little new scripted content is available, you are definitely getting less with Paid Live TV.

At least with streaming, you get all the new content ( plus the older stuff) from Paid Live TV, along with the streaming shows and movies, in better quality with a less expensive price.

If you watch limited amount, this is better. If you watch sports, broadcast or cable programming, and premium is now worse as everyone is moving programming to their own apps. So you aren't saving anything, have a bunch of different apps instead of a unified platform (some devices help with this), have to manage subscriptions separately, etc.

If you added it all together, it is still less than Dish, DirecTV, Comcast, etc.

Now prices can be raised any time and you have limited options.

Again, how is that different than Cable/Satellite TV.

Some things are better, some things are worse. At best it is a wash for most people.

I believe it is a lot better, I remember constantly going up and down the TV guide trying to find something to watch when I had Paid Live TV, easy to find something now.

 

[navychop]

Let's talk about this "better quality" thing.

I get macroblocking on DTV MyEntertainment. I don't on Dish. I have 1G/1G.

 

[Bruce]

Let's talk about this "better quality" thing.

I get macroblocking on DTV MyEntertainment. I don't on Dish. I have 1G/1G.

Talking about services like Paramount, Discovery, Netflix, etc.

Content on Streaming Paid Live TV is up converted.

Content via on demand streaming services is in real 1080P and 4K, for example, the majority of current CBS shows on Paramount+ are in 4K/DV/HDR, new FX shows are in 4K on Hulu , Food Network is in real 1080P on Discovery+. etc.

 

[AZ.]

Everyone wanted a la carte, now that they have it, I bet most people want to go back now. I like the flexibility of streaming but I costs are going to be a lot higher or the same for less now.

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we have it now? kinda maybe. I had it better with Cband

 

[ncted]

Talking about services like Paramount, Discovery, Netflix, etc.

Content on Streaming Paid Live TV is up converted.

Content via on demand streaming services is in real 1080P and 4K, for example, the majority of current CBS shows on Paramount+ are in 4K/DV/HDR, new FX shows are in 4K on Hulu , Food Network is in real 1080P on Discovery+. etc.

I gotta say, lately, it seems like they have been upping the compression or bit-starving the streams somewhat. I mainly see it on HBOMAX and Peacock, but I've seen it some on Paramount+ and Netflix as well. Disney+ and AppleTV+ still look great for the most part. Mostly what I see is posterization and some obvious softening, so we're not talking about the macro-blocking I see on everything my parents watched when they had Spectrum.

 

[Bruce]

I gotta say, lately, it seems like they have been upping the compression or bit-starving the streams somewhat. I mainly see it on HBOMAX and Peacock, but I've seen it some on Paramount+ and Netflix as well. Disney+ and AppleTV+ still look great for the most part. Mostly what I see is posterization and some obvious softening, so we're not talking about the macro-blocking I see on everything my parents watched when they had Spectrum.

Do not have HBO currently, I never seem to watch Peacock ( awful service), but all others look great, but I also have Fiber now, so no slowdowns.

 

[ncted]

Do not have HBO currently, I never seem to watch Peacock ( awful service), but all others look great, but I also have Fiber now, so no slowdowns.

Yeah, it isn't a bandwidth issue on my end. This looks an awful lot like certain streaming services are trying to limit their bandwidth bills by reducing quality, just like cable and satellite have done.

I can see the difference in my bandwidth graphs on my router. The roughly 20-30Mb spike from 19:15-20-05 is us watching Foundation on ATV+, while the subsequent utilization is other services, which included ST: Strange New Worlds on Paramount+ last night:

I currently have the highest resolution subscription option for all services I subscribe to. Obviously, non-UHD/HDR content will use less bandwidth.

Streaming quality is still better than cable/satellite, but I am starting to see some reduction.

 

[savarese04]

Yeah, it isn't a bandwidth issue on my end. This looks an awful lot like certain streaming services are trying to limit their bandwidth bills by reducing quality, just like cable and satellite have done.

I can see the difference in my bandwidth graphs on my router. The roughly 20-30Mb spike from 19:15-20-05 is us watching Foundation on ATV+, while the subsequent utilization is other services, which included ST: Strange New Worlds on Paramount+ last night:

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I currently have the highest resolution subscription option for all services I subscribe to. Obviously, non-UHD/HDR content will use less bandwidth.

Streaming quality is still better than cable/satellite, but I am starting to see some reduction.

you're not wrong. there's definitely some "enhanced" compression going on. I imagine some of it is due to needing to maintain some semblance of backward compatibility with older devices, most services need to stay on more data hungry codecs and the only way to slim down is to compress more.

Also, the biggest expense to every streaming service is the CDN and the less bandwidth you use, the lower your expenses

 

[Jimbo]

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Fox and YTTV have come to a Temporary agreement ....
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Lets hope the come to a permanent agreement soon.

 

[Yespage]

How is that different than Traditional Paid Live TV?

Based on how little new scripted content is available, you are definitely getting less with Paid Live TV.

Because the channel providers are shifting their content to streaming. If Paramount aired Star Trek Strange New Worlds on a Paramount station instead of hijacking it on Paramount+, there would be more programming on cable/sat.

Again, how is that different than Cable/Satellite TV.

Rate increases across four or five online services verses rate increase on one. If you have HBO-Max, Netflix, Disney+, Peacock, how much did the increases come to this year?

I believe it is a lot better, I remember constantly going up and down the TV guide trying to find something to watch when I had Paid Live TV, easy to find something now.

Yeah, but you are paying for programming you aren't streaming with the streaming services... unless you are suggesting you watch everything that is available. And at least with Cable/Sat, I knew what was on and available. What programming is on Netflix? No bloody clue, other than the first several large pictures on the guide.

Not saying Sat/Cable is superior, but you are going on like streaming is a Renaissance of media, when it is effectively the same thing... without a physical DVR (or DVR at all). There are advantages and disadvantages to both.

 

[Yespage]

I gotta say, lately, it seems like they have been upping the compression or bit-starving the streams somewhat. I mainly see it on HBOMAX and Peacock, but I've seen it some on Paramount+ and Netflix as well.

Odd, I've noticed Peacock is showing "HD" and/or "HDR" on programming listing now. For me Peacock is a buffer pain. I'm noticing it more on Paramount+ now as well.

 

[ncted]

Odd, I've noticed Peacock is showing "HD" and/or "HDR" on programming listing now. For me Peacock is a buffer pain. I'm noticing it more on Paramount+ now as well.

So, you're not seeing any shows labeled 4K? I don't have any buffering issues on Peacock, but the PQ is definitely a step down from others.

 

[Yespage]

So, you're not seeing any shows labeled 4K? I don't have any buffering issues on Peacock, but the PQ is definitely a step down from others.

I'm mainly watching EPL and IMSA, so that might be why the HD.

 

[ncted]

I'm mainly watching EPL and IMSA, so that might be why the HD.

Yeah, I checked real quick, and I am still seeing 4K on "originals."