How things have changed

[b4pjoe]

Current prices for 8 streaming services for ad supported and ad free.

 

[ncted]

For the 8 services listed, I am paying roughly $76/month (annualized due to yearly subscription prices) due to various discounts. e.g. that is assuming I am paying 55% of the cost of AppleTV based on the overall discount on Apple One Premium. If you add in the $5/month I send to PBS, the $11.67 for YT Premium, and the ~$6.67 I pay to channels, that is still less than $100/month for way more content than I can ever watch.

 

[b4pjoe]

For the 8 services listed, I am paying roughly $76/month (annualized due to yearly subscription prices) due to various discounts. e.g. that is assuming I am paying 55% of the cost of AppleTV based on the overall discount on Apple One Premium. If you add in the $5/month I send to PBS, the $11.67 for YT Premium, and the ~$6.67 I pay to channels, that is still less than $100/month for way more content than I can ever watch.

Plus with the streaming services you still get all of the major networks prime time shows next day.

 

[Jimbo]

whats crazy is that Hulu Live and YTTV are in the cable category. if you add them to streaming, it's probably well over 60% and traditional cable looks paltry. the fact that in 2026 10% of the media content in the country is coming from traditional cable tv is crazy.

Actually, that is what was expected.
And it is...

 

[Jimbo]

Hulu Live and YTTV are still cable, just a different delivery method.

Not really, you could do the rest of streaming the same way if they wanted too.
In cable world it would just be under a different Package name.

Hulu and YTTV is and should be counted as Streaming ....

Unless your doing not working 5g, all internet comes in on a Cable, therefore it should all still be under Cable ....

See, you can spin it however you want to make it fit.

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[Jimbo]

While true, I do understand what is being posted by him.

For example, in 2017, there were 100 Million Households here in the United States, that subscribed to Cable/Satellite TV, out of 126 Million.

That is about 80%.

Today, 45 Million subscribe to Cable/Satellite, out of 135 Million.

That is only a little over 33%.( which means they have lost about 55% of their subscribers in 9 years, most in the last 4 years)

YTTV, Hulu Live, etc have 20 Million Subscribers, about 15%, so if that was added to streaming, would increase the difference, but that is not how Nielsen does the Gauge.

What that means, Cable/Satellite TV have about 3-5 years left, YTTV will be the only thing left to somewhat save Live TV, they now have more subscribers than Comcast, are the new #2, should overtake Charter next year.

I just read something today (don't remember where I was) stating that the Nielsen Rating isn't nassasarilly what to go by anymore because of how confusing the breakdowns are now.

 

[Jimbo]

For the 8 services listed, I am paying roughly $76/month (annualized due to yearly subscription prices) due to various discounts. e.g. that is assuming I am paying 55% of the cost of AppleTV based on the overall discount on Apple One Premium. If you add in the $5/month I send to PBS, the $11.67 for YT Premium, and the ~$6.67 I pay to channels, that is still less than $100/month for way more content than I can ever watch.

Problem is (most find) You now have to change from 1 app to another app to another to find what you want to watch ...
A lot of people don't mind doing that, but the other half would rather just have everything where you can see whats on ....

Ala, YTTV or Hulu and were right back where we started .... some form of Cable/Sat

 

[NYDutch]

Not really, you could do the rest of streaming the same way if they wanted too.
In cable wqorld it would just be under a different Package name.

Hulu and YTTV is and should be counted as Streaming ....

Unless your doing not working 5g, all internet comes in on a Cable, therefore it should all still be under Cable ....

See, you can spin it however you want to make it fit.

While most on my road are using Spectrum cable for Internet, there are some using AT&T, Verizon, and Starlink.

 

[Jimbo]

While most on my road are using Spectrum cable for Internet, there are some using AT&T, Verizon, and Starlink.

I'm not sure Nielson counts Mobile viewing ... maybe Cell phones, I suppose, but I've never heard of such a report.

 

[savarese04]

I'm not sure Nielson counts Mobile viewing ... maybe Cell phones, I suppose, but I've never heard of such a report.

nelson's overall share percentage doesn't break down like that. youtube is youtube, whether it is on desktop, mobile, smart tv, firestick, browser, etc. whether that internet pipe is fiber, cable, starlink, etc doesn't matter either.

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[NYDutch]

I'm not sure Nielson counts Mobile viewing ... maybe Cell phones, I suppose, but I've never heard of such a report.

AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and others offer home Internet via cell service. Here's a link to Verizon's home service:

5G Home Internet | Plans Starting $35/mo | Verizon

5G Home Internet is an ultra-simple wireless home internet powered by Verizon's 5G Ultra Wideband. Plans start at $35/mo. Check availability today.

www.verizon.com

 

[Jimbo]

nelson's overall share percentage doesn't break down like that. youtube is youtube, whether it is on desktop, mobile, smart tv, firestick, browser, etc. whether that internet pipe is fiber, cable, starlink, etc doesn't matter either.

As far as I'm concerned, YTTV is Streaming ... it wasn't able to be here before Streaming ... so for them to Not be included in Streaming is incorrect, saeeing its been listed as Cable. Same goes with Hulu.

I don't think Streaming numbers will ever be accurate, to many variables, this is why I find it interesting that the various post about how many Streaming there are vs Non streaming continues, seeing VCable went WAY past even years ago, why is it a surprise to those that streaming is ahead, we now have monthly postings about it ... it's npot going to change until another technology takes over, yet its made out to be something thats is Great that it happened.

 

[Jimbo]

AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and others offer home Internet via cell service. Here's a link to Verizon's home service:

5G Home Internet | Plans Starting $35/mo | Verizon

5G Home Internet is an ultra-simple wireless home internet powered by Verizon's 5G Ultra Wideband. Plans start at $35/mo. Check availability today.

www.verizon.com

My neighbor use to have that for awhile, he liked it, it was from T-Mobile as none of the others were available here at the time (still not)

 

[NYDutch]

My neighbor use to have that for awhile, he liked it, it was from T-Mobile as none of the others were available here at the time (still not)

T-Mobile is the only one not available here.

 

[savarese04]

As far as I'm concerned, YTTV is Streaming ... it wasn't able to be here before Streaming ... so for them to Not be included in Streaming is incorrect, saeeing its been listed as Cable. Same goes with Hulu.

I don't think Streaming numbers will ever be accurate, to many variables, this is why I find it interesting that the various post about how many Streaming there are vs Non streaming continues, seeing VCable went WAY past even years ago, why is it a surprise to those that streaming is ahead, we now have monthly postings about it ... it's npot going to change until another technology takes over, yet its made out to be something thats is Great that it happened.

You missed what I said entirely, which is that it doesn't matter how a person watches (e.g., via mobile), the number is captured for that service.

To the point you just made, you are incorrect. Streaming numbers are incredibly accurate because the data/metrics are built into the apps. Sure some users may opt out via in app preferences, but there is no "sampling." At any given moment, we can know exactly who is watching, what they're watching, and where they're watching within a high degree of probability. On the other hand, Nelson's cable/broadcast requires a two component process of 1) self-reporting and 2) Nelson boxes, both of which are distributed with the goal of approximating demographics and extrapolating a number. That's why there is a sample size error distribution.

The incredible accuracy of streaming number is precisely why advertisers are leaving broadcast/cable in droves and spending their dollars on streaming. They know exactly where their ad dollars are going and they can make every dollar count.

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[Jimbo]

You missed what I said entirely, which is that it doesn't matter how a person watches (e.g., via mobile), the number is captured for that service.

To the point you just made, you are incorrect. Streaming numbers are incredibly accurate because the data/metrics are built into the apps. Sure some users may opt out via in app preferences, but there is no "sampling." At any given moment, we can know exactly who is watching, what they're watching, and where they're watching within a high degree of probability. On the other hand, Nelson's cable/broadcast requires a two component process of 1) self-reporting and 2) Nelson boxes, both of which are distributed with the goal of approximating demographics and extrapolating a number. That's why there is a sample size error distribution.

The incredible accuracy of streaming number is precisely why advertisers are leaving broadcast/cable in droves and spending their dollars on streaming. They know exactly where their ad dollars are going and they can make every dollar count.

And you missed my point ...
Streaming numbers are INCORRECT because they don't even know how to rate them .
Is YTTV and HULU Live Streaming ?
Of Course it is ...
Then why are they counting it as Cable, oh, they are also counting it as Streaming ?

Thats convenient ...
Thats why I said the numbers are not correct.

 

[savarese04]

Then why are they counting it as Cable, oh, they are also counting it as Streaming ?

they are not double counting it. I have no idea where you are getting that from.

Perhaps you should try reading the report again.

 

[Jimbo]

they are not double counting it. I have no idea where you are getting that from.

Perhaps you should try reading the report again.

Hmmm, I have seen where you guys say YTTV is Streaming.
I've also seen where you guys say it's CABLE ...

This is coming from you guys that have ALL the Streaming answers.

 

[navychop]

Are Holosuites quantum?

 

[Bruce]

Hmmm, I have seen where you guys say YTTV is Streaming.
I've also seen where you guys say it's CABLE ...

This is coming from you guys that have ALL the Streaming answers.

Have you read the report, it was in my link, will explain everything to you if you do so.

No one here is responsible for you to do your homework, if you did so, it would prevent posting incorrect information in your posts.

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