How things have changed

[ncted]

Are Holosuites quantum?

Are you suggesting that YTTV is a ray in projective Hilbert space and not a vector?

 

[navychop]

Ya GOT me!

 

[Bruce]

In just 4 years-

 

[Jimbo]

Have you read the report, it was in my link, will explain everything to you if you do so.

No one here is responsible for you to do your homework, if you did so, it would prevent posting incorrect information in your posts.

WOW ... really ????
WOW ...

 

[Jimbo]

In just 4 years-
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This is the post I typically see ...
Yes, it shows YTTV as Streaming AS I have Always said it was.

Others on here were calling it CABLE, because it was a group of channels (much like Cable).

You yourself were liking YTTV very well when it came out, then you changed your mind and decided it was no different than Cable/Sat ....

See why the confusion ?

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[b4pjoe]

Yes, it shows YTTV as Streaming AS I have Always said it was.

It shows YouTube "Main" as streaming which is regular YouTube…not YouTube TV in the bottom photo.

The top photo has "YouTube including YouTube TV and Hulu including Hulu Live so it is confusing.

 

[savarese04]

See why the confusion ?

honesty, you seem to be the only one that's confused here. the chart clearly says "YouTube Main." My only statement was that if you theoretically moved YTTV to streaming (let's call it "internet delivered content" for the sake of argument), the TRADITIONAL providers of cable/satellite will consist of approximately 10% of that pie, which is astounding. Maybe that is what confused you?

you also claimed that no one knows how accurate streaming numbers are, which is patently false. I am not sure why we have to re-litigate this every month.

 

[Jimbo]

honesty, you seem to be the only one that's confused here. the chart clearly says "YouTube Main." My only statement was that if you theoretically moved YTTV to streaming (let's call it "internet delivered content" for the sake of argument), the TRADITIONAL providers of cable/satellite will consist of approximately 10% of that pie, which is astounding. Maybe that is what confused you?

you also claimed that no one knows how accurate streaming numbers are, which is patently false. I am not sure why we have to re-litigate this every month.

When you have YouTube in Both places ... you can't say they are being counted correctly.

I never really seen YouTube Main before. (thats probably part of the issue)

Anything delivered by the Internet IS STREAMING.

I don't see the confusion, They've Split You Tube and You Tube TV, somehow they count differently ...?
They are Both Streaming ...

 

[b4pjoe]

When you have YouTube in Both places ... you can't say they are being counted correctly.

I never really seen YouTube Main before. (thats probably part of the issue)

Anything delivered by the Internet IS STREAMING.

I don't see the confusion, They've Split You Tube and You Tube TV, somehow they count differently ...?
They are Both Streaming ...

The first image shows Youtube including Youtube TV and Hulu including Hulu Live. That is from 2022 when they were counting YTTV and Hulu Live as streaming. They probably also counted DIRECTV Streaming and Sling in the streaming category also at that time. The 2nd image is the current timeline and they no longer put YTTV and Hulu Live in the streaming category. I assume they also include DIRECTV Stream and Dish Sling in the cable/Sat category now also. If they included those 4 Live TV services in the streaming category the numbers would be much worse for the Cable/Sat category than they show now.

 

[dishdude]

When you have YouTube in Both places ... you can't say they are being counted correctly.

I never really seen YouTube Main before. (thats probably part of the issue)

Anything delivered by the Internet IS STREAMING.

I don't see the confusion, They've Split You Tube and You Tube TV, somehow they count differently ...?
They are Both Streaming ...

You're just flat out wrong. Everything in your post shows a basic lack of understanding of the topic being discussed. Go back and reread the last 2 pages, it's all been fully explained to you.

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[Jimbo]

You're just flat out wrong. Everything in your post shows a basic lack of understanding of the topic being discussed. Go back and reread the last 2 pages, it's all been fully explained to you.

I have NO Idea what your talking about ... I just pointed out what was posted in those two graphs ... how can you say I am wrong when it came from the info directly above this posts ...

If all you want to do is argue ... thats NOT why I am here.
If you want to have a conversation, thats different.

 

[Jimbo]

you also claimed that no one knows how accurate streaming numbers are, which is patently false. I am not sure why we have to re-litigate this every month.

Because it gets shoved down our throats that Streraming is so great EVERY Month.

Streaming past this or that .....
Seeing its already past Cable and Sat, what is the Big deal that the same info gets posted every month ???
Did you expect it to Change ?

 

[Bruce]

Because it gets shoved down our throats that Streraming is so great EVERY Month.

What does that have to do with what you posted, that no one knows how accurate streaming numbers are?

Streaming past this or that .....
Seeing its already past Cable and Sat, what is the Big deal that the same info gets posted every month ???

Considering that the posts regarding Satellite TV became quite redundant here, with the same info constantly popping up at this site, I do not believe you ever complained about that before.

I have noticed you never posted a negative post about DirecTV, until you finally dropped them ( and quit working for them), after realizing they have been ripping you off for years, with the high prices, no new equipment and less and less content to go along with the ever increasing bill.

I would believe you would be thankful for streaming, saving you a lot of money, receiving so much new content and the better video/sound quality.

Did you expect it to Change ?

Yes, there will always be news about the future of streaming, along with the death of Cable and Satellite TV services.

 

[NYDutch]

I'm confused, why would YTTV be considered "cable"?

 

[Jimbo]

What does that have to do with what you posted, that no one knows how accurate streaming numbers are?

Considering that the posts regarding Satellite TV became quite redundant here, with the same info constantly popping up at this site, I do not believe you ever complained about that before.

I have noticed you never posted a negative post about DirecTV, until you finally dropped them ( and quit working for them), after realizing they have been ripping you off for years, with the high prices, no new equipment and less and less content to go along with the ever increasing bill.

I would believe you would be thankful for streaming, saving you a lot of money, receiving so much new content and the better video/sound quality.

Yes, there will always be news about the future of streaming, along with the death of Cable and Satellite TV services.

I still don't rip Sat ... I enjoyed it for many years

OIf Courase Sat info was coming up frequently on the site ...
Thats what THIS SITE was made for in the beginning.
I would expect it to be in the posts most days back then.

As for moving on to Streaming, I had D* as well as Netflix and PP for quite awhile before I left D*.

I enjoyed working with the CE stuff for many, many years, 2006 until last year ... (2006 was when I started doing the CE stuff)

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[Jimbo]

I'm confused, why would YTTV be considered "cable"?

Because some decided that it had a guide and a bunch of channels grouped together, so that started saying it was just Cable.

 

[NYDutch]

Because some decided that it had a guide and a bunch of channels grouped together, so that started saying it was just Cable.

That definition covers a host of streaming apps. Frndly, Netflix, Paramount+, Roku Channel, and most/all of the FAST services come to mind quickly.

 

[dishdude]

I'm confused, why would YTTV be considered "cable"?

YTTV is offering the same exact content as cable, just a different delivery method. Same programming, same channels, networks being paid just like cable and satellite.

 

[ncted]

Cable and satellite are MVPDs.

YTTV, Philo, Fubo, Sling, etc. are all vMVPDs, so essentially the same thing, but over public IP networks (aka The Internet).

Netflix, Disney+, AppleTV, Paramount+, Peacock, Prime Video, etc. are primarily SVOD services, although most have some kind of live TV offering, and many of the big players have added a whole live section with linear channels, just like cable in at least some of their subscription tiers. This is where I think the Nielsen charts lack some detail. How much of what people are watching on Paramount+ and Peacock are just live broadcasts that could just as well be on YTTV or DirecTV?

 

[NYDutch]

YTTV is offering the same exact content as cable, just a different delivery method. Same programming, same channels, networks being paid just like cable and satellite.

It seems to me it's the delivery method that determines whether it's streaming or cable/sat, just as it's the delivery method that separates landline and cell service.

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