Point --> John. I think I fixed my original post, which I must admit was terrible in it's first incarnation.
Joey Works Without Coax Cable?
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Point --> John. I think I fixed my original post, which I must admit was terrible in it's first incarnation.
I fully understand the difference. However, there were those who said Dish was wise not to enable it, who now think it's cool they did, supported or not. That's all I was pointing out.
I've always said they should enable whole-home over TP, and even wi-fi. I never said it had to be officially supported. I, and many others, felt it would be a viable choice. And, as it turns out, it is. (If they don't disable it at some point.)
It's odd that a couple of network-related things that Dish said would be disabled at the start, were quite functional, such as the Ethernet port on the Joey and the 2nd port on the Hopper.
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If you really think about it... At some point in the design, they may have envisioned Ethernet 0 in the Hopper getting Broadband, then Ethernet 1 broadcasting a Private TCP network to the Joey's.
That would account for the 2 ports on the Hopper and the inclusion at all on the Joey's.
This does leave an IP option open for them if they choose to use it.
That would account for the 2 ports on the Hopper and the inclusion at all on the Joey's.
This does leave an IP option open for them if they choose to use it.
My guess is that the Joeys were designed to fully support ethernet over twisted pair but, for whatever reason, this feature was disabled prior to rollout. The unintended consequence of that was breaking DLNA for a significant number of users, who complained.
The most expedient method of "fixing" DLNA was to simply enable twisted pair support, but the reasons for disabling it in the first place still remain, so the "new" feature was not advertized.
The most expedient method of "fixing" DLNA was to simply enable twisted pair support, but the reasons for disabling it in the first place still remain, so the "new" feature was not advertized.
Especially interesting since we were explicitly told that it wouldn't work that way.
This is the point I am trying to get across. What works today might not work tomorrow.
But if there's enough demand it will be re-added......
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For a fee of course
It works really well. I wonder how much traffic is being sent over my network. That's the next thing I'm going to check,
fee or no fee, sometimes Dish isn't willing to play. As long as someone has a backup plan when using this, then you'll be just fine. Going into it blind and just assuming that Dish will keep the unofficial support the same is only going end up in disappointment.
It's why OTA dependent customers shouldn't even bother installing H/J until there's actual official support for it. Until that happens, you're just gambling on something that may never happen.
Just look at all the demand from customers to mix their VIP equipment on the same account as H/J. We haven't seen any sign that Dish will change their mind.
digiblur said:So who is going to setup a vpn between two FIOS connections and try bringing the Joey across the street
Maybe if you have a 4G cellphone that can act as a hot spot this might be a instant fix for the tailgater problem.
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With this kinda of talk I have a feeling our Joey Ethernet connections will be disabled in s208.
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I don't think that DISH will work to disable this (on purpose) but it may break with them doing other things.
I think even if it keeps on working it will be an UNSUPPORTED feature.
One of the reasons that I think this is because in many states installers need a license to install cat 5. (Yeah I know silly)
The cost of Cat 5 is higher then running new cable to a room.
On the WIFI side, Dish is not going to support it (while it may work) because of the issues WIFI has. What may work for you now may not work for you later, or while your watching a movie and your are right near the end your neighbor does something which interferes with your signal such as makes dinner. DISH does not want you calling up upset because you missed the end of your movie because of reasons they can't control. With a coax connection it is their own closed network which they have MUCH more control over and thus can deliver to you an entertainment system that delivers for you all the time.
Now understand I am not scolding anyone for doing this... in fact I think its great! I just want everyone to be aware of what works today may not work tomorrow.
I think even if it keeps on working it will be an UNSUPPORTED feature.
One of the reasons that I think this is because in many states installers need a license to install cat 5. (Yeah I know silly)
The cost of Cat 5 is higher then running new cable to a room.
On the WIFI side, Dish is not going to support it (while it may work) because of the issues WIFI has. What may work for you now may not work for you later, or while your watching a movie and your are right near the end your neighbor does something which interferes with your signal such as makes dinner. DISH does not want you calling up upset because you missed the end of your movie because of reasons they can't control. With a coax connection it is their own closed network which they have MUCH more control over and thus can deliver to you an entertainment system that delivers for you all the time.
Now understand I am not scolding anyone for doing this... in fact I think its great! I just want everyone to be aware of what works today may not work tomorrow.
Reality check. 175,000ish members of SatGuys (not all Dish users...and mostly power users who are)...a small percentage of the 13+ million total.
The network bandwidth issues(if you have one or are worried about one) is easily addressed by running it on its own network.
That's no longer WiFi, that will be known as WiGig. It remains to be seen what the real world performance is going to be.
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Which might mean multiple runs of TP if you have LAN traffic besides the segregated network. At which point, why not just use existing coax?
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