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This is for all you math wizzards out there that have too much spare time. I did some calculations from simple math from many years ago to kill some spare time. Just wonder what other answers you can come up with.
1st - If I am pointing at a satellite and move 1 degree on the ground, how many miles did I move away from that satellite?
2nd - How many miles per hour are the satellites in the Clark Belt moving to keep them "in place" with the ground?

P.S. No prizes or awards for correct answers. . . . .
 
In any circular orbit, the centripetal force required to maintain the orbit is provided by the gravitational force on the satellite. To calculate the geostationary orbit altitude, one begins with this equivalence, and uses the fact that the orbital period is one sidereal day.
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By Newton's second law of motion, we can replace the forces F with the mass m of the object multiplied by the acceleration felt by the object due to that force:
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We note that the mass of the satellite m appears on both sides — geostationary orbit is independent of the mass of the satellite.[SUP][4][/SUP] So calculating the altitude simplifies into calculating the point where the magnitudes of the centripetal acceleration required for orbital motion and the gravitational acceleration provided by Earth's gravity are equal.
The centripetal acceleration's magnitude is:
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where ? is the angular speed, and r is the orbital radius as measured from the Earth's center of mass.
The magnitude of the gravitational acceleration is:
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where M is the mass of Earth, 5.9736 × 10[SUP]24[/SUP] kg, and G is the gravitational constant, 6.67428 ± 0.00067 × 10[SUP]?11[/SUP] m[SUP]3[/SUP] kg[SUP]?1[/SUP] s[SUP]?2[/SUP].
Equating the two accelerations gives:
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The product GM is known with much greater precision than either factor alone; it is known as the geocentric gravitational constant ? = 398,600.4418 ± 0.0008 km[SUP]3[/SUP] s[SUP]?2[/SUP]:
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The angular speed ? is found by dividing the angle travelled in one revolution (360° = 2? rad) by the orbital period (the time it takes to make one full revolution: one sidereal day, or 86,164.09054 seconds).[SUP][5][/SUP] This gives:
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The resulting orbital radius is 42,164 kilometres (26,199 mi). Subtracting the Earth's equatorial radius, 6,378 kilometres (3,963 mi), gives the altitude of 35,786 kilometres (22,236 mi).
Orbital speed (how fast the satellite is moving through space) is calculated by multiplying the angular speed by the orbital radius:
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To put it simply REAL FAST
 
The answer to first question needs more variables. Because the earth is not a perfect sphere, your location and which specific degree you were moving can change the answer. The USALS computation is what is needed here.
 
Using Pythagoras' theorem it can be calculated to a reasonable approximation for conversation. Two sides of the triangle are known (22,500 mi.) and the angle is 1 deg. I'm running off to work right now, but I know it comes out to about 200 miles.
 
.......by Earth's gravity are equal.
The centripetal acceleration's magnitude is:
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where ? is the angular speed, and r is the orbital radius as measured from the Earth's center of mass.
The magnitude of the gravitational acceleration is:
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where M is........... product GM is known with much greater precision than either factor alone; it is known as the geocentric gravitational constant ? = 398, the altitude of 35,786 kilometres (22,236 mi).
Orbital speed (how fast the satellite is moving through space) is calculated by multiplying the angular speed by the orbital radius:
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To put it simply REAL FAST

Gee, now we know whom has far too much time on his hands and may be the smartest person on the site.:eek:
Any chance you were a professor of calculus in a college somewhere?:)
Looks just like the suff I learned in 3rd grade.:rolleyes:
RT looked at it and let out a big MEOW!
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Correct: REALLY FAST!
uhmmm, 2+3=uhmmmm, "Rt, you go a minute."
 
Using Pythagoras' theorem it can be calculated to a reasonable approximation for conversation. Two sides of the triangle are known (22,500 mi.) and the angle is 1 deg. I'm running off to work right now, but I know it comes out to about 200 miles.
Hummmm, I thought it was much more than that. Time to go re-calculate. "RT, you know where the slide rule is?"
 
Gee, now we know whom has far too much time on his hands and may be the smartest person on the site.:eek:
Any chance you were a professor of calculus in a college somewhere?:)
Looks just like the suff I learned in 3rd grade.:rolleyes:
RT looked at it and let out a big MEOW!
sick.gif

Correct: REALLY FAST!
uhmmm, 2+3=uhmmmm, "Rt, you go a minute."
No not smart, Google is my friend :), WikiPedia is my source.
 
For your first one I get approx. 388 Miles....based on simple trigonometry of a circle. We know the angle and one side. Yes I was a math major going all the way into calculus, but after 20 years...I had to use Google also to find the formula..:D:D
 
If you take the diameter of the earth at the equator (7,926 miles) and add twice the distance the satellite is from the earth's surface (22,236 X 2 = 44472 miles) you end up with the diameter of the satellite orbit - 52,398 miles. That diameter times Pi divided by 360 degrees equals the spacing of two satellites that are 1 degree apart. So 52,398 X 3.1416/360 = 457 miles.

I realize this is a different question/answer then the OP asked - but interesting to know the spacing of the satellites per 1°.
Bob
 
.....spacing of two satellites that are 1 degree apart. So 52,398 X 3.1416/360 = 457 miles.

I realize this is a different question/answer then the OP asked - but interesting to know the spacing of the satellites per 1°.
Bob
Not really, it answers question No. 1.
Some interesting calcs here.

RT
 
radius of earth= 3959 mi
height of Clark orbit=22236 mi
height frome core to orbit= 26195 x 2 x 3.14(c=pi x 2r)
total circumference of Clark orbit =164504mi/24h per orbit
=6854mph?
 
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