MLS is about to take over the NHL in average attendance

Exactly...I agree with baby steps.

But when people start saying the MLS is poised to overtake the NHL in OVERALL popularity...a reality check is in order.


Sandra

Yes, to a certain degree you are right. But when you starting averaging as much as some of the big 4...then you have to take notice. They have done this in a 10 year span with NO WHERE as near as much exposure as the NBA or NHL, no where near as much TV time as either of those two and no where near as much advertisers as those two. And like she stated, with the ever growing hispanic population growing(not just come from Mexico)...the popularity of soccer, I predict, WILL take over the US. It will never take over Canada because let's be honest, NOBODY moves to Canada....
 
Actually payroll doesn't cut into revenue. Revenue or sales is the total of all incoming money related to the main business activity. Payroll cuts into profit but not revenue. In general terms revenue minus expenses is profit. Its possible to have revenue of $100 billion and still have a net loss.

Haha sorry about all of that but I am an accountant recently graduated and trying to pass my CPA exams right now so these terms (among others) are my life right now.

Good point, I meant to say profit.
 
You do not think player salary bites into revenue in any professional league?


No i do not. as I said in my earlier post Revenue is the total of all income received. payroll is an expense. It has no effect on revenue. It adds to cost and decreases profit but it does not affect revenue.

I still think it odd that certain dissimilarties bother you but others (like the fact taht we are comparing attendance at venues with totally different capacities) does not seem to.
 
No i do not. as I said in my earlier post Revenue is the total of all income received. payroll is an expense. It has no effect on revenue. It adds to cost and decreases profit but it does not affect revenue.

I still think it odd that certain dissimilarties bother you but others (like the fact taht we are comparing attendance at venues with totally different capacities) does not seem to.

I have since corrected that statement.
 
Yes, to a certain degree you are right. But when you starting averaging as much as some of the big 4...then you have to take notice.

Meh. When you isolate one factor and state that is a reason one sport is poised to overtake another, you are going out on a very slippery slope.

Professional wrestling has some very high attendance numbers, but that doesn't mean it's in the realm of the big 4 in the national consciousness. Horse racing has some crazy high attendance numbers for their big races...but that is not approaching the big 4 overall either. Not even close.

In fact, with the advent of casino-owning native Americans, the horse racing industry is dying overall. But some horse racing devotee can come here and say 'you have to take notice' that the big races draw numbers that dwarf the NBA and NHL.

They have done this in a 10 year span with NO WHERE as near as much exposure as the NBA or NHL, no where near as much TV time as either of those two and no where near as much advertisers as those two.

Professional soccer in the US goes back a lot more than 10 years. Apparently back in the 1980's the predecessor to the MLS, the NASL was drawing attendance figures that the MLS can only dream of. Pele was in the league, and everybody said soccer is exploding because so many kids are playing the game, so many hispanics are moving to the USA, etc., and the numbers will only grow up.

A few years later, the league folded. That's why a reality check is in order when people start making predictions again.

And like she stated, with the ever growing hispanic population growing(not just come from Mexico)...the popularity of soccer, I predict, WILL take over the US. It will never take over Canada because let's be honest, NOBODY moves to Canada....

Soccer will never take over Canada, but it's not because nobody moves there. It's because hockey always has, and always will, be Canada's national passion. Forget soccer...baseball, football and basketball are and always will be second class citizens in Canada as well.


Sandra
 
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You made your point about stadium attendance and I am not arguing. You are correct.
Salsa may be correct about the raw numbers, but not taking into account the large disparity of stadium capacity makes the argument invalid. He has sidestepped my NASCAR/NFL question by saying he's not familiar with NASCAR, but still hasn't answered the question that required no NASCAR knowledge....
 
Salsa may be correct about the raw numbers, but not taking into account the large disparity of stadium capacity makes the argument invalid. He has sidestepped my NASCAR/NFL question by saying he's not familiar with NASCAR, but still hasn't answered the question that required no NASCAR knowledge....

Is NASCAR more popular than the NFL, my guess is no. And that is only a guess. As far as the whole stadium disparity, it mean nothing because eventhough the MLS plays in bigger stadiums, the NHL CAN average more...and they don't. There is NOTHING stopping the NHL from averaging more than the MLS because most stadiums hold close to 20,000+...and they are not averaging that. So the stadium disparity plays no part in this because they hold 25% more than what they are averaging.
 
Is NASCAR more popular than the NFL, my guess is no. And that is only a guess. As far as the whole stadium disparity, it mean nothing because eventhough the MLS plays in bigger stadiums, the NHL CAN average more...and they don't. There is NOTHING stopping the NHL from averaging more than the MLS because most stadiums hold close to 20,000+...and they are not averaging that. So the stadium disparity plays no part in this because they hold 25% more than what they are averaging.

Well then that contradicts the argument of the article you posted. If MLS is about to become more popular because their average attendance is comparable, then NASCAR should be more popular than the NFL.

Twelve teams in the NHL were at or above 100% capacity last season. If those teams could add seats to be closer to the larger MLS stadium capacities, don't you think there's a good chance that their increased attendance figures would help elevate the NHL average??
 
Is NASCAR more popular than the NFL, my guess is no. And that is only a guess. As far as the whole stadium disparity, it mean nothing because eventhough the MLS plays in bigger stadiums, the NHL CAN average more...and they don't. There is NOTHING stopping the NHL from averaging more than the MLS because most stadiums hold close to 20,000+...and they are not averaging that. So the stadium disparity plays no part in this because they hold 25% more than what they are averaging.
Sure it does. First off, when sell-outs do occur, it prevents more fans from buying tickets for those particular games, which would bring the average up. Second, if they held more seats, then there would also be more inexpensive seats as well; thus more people would be able to buy cheaper tickets, also bring the average up.
 
Exactly. Excellent point. That's why the MLS is not even close to being in the NHL's league.


Sandra

And the MLS commissioner knows that too:

Q: How would you categorize the league at this point in time?

A: We are the NFL 50 years ago, we’re baseball and basketball 50 years ago. We’re still figuring out what things we need to do and how to innovate, how to evolve and how to take advantage of market change and opportunity and doing it in real-time. At some point 50 years from now, people will look back and say, ‘Hey, if it wasn’t for them building stadiums, this wouldn’t have happened; if it wasn’t for academies, this great striker now a superstar for FC Barcelona, who might be some American kid from Dallas, would not basically have come through like he had.’ So we’re very focused in trying to ensure a better future than the future we have today.

MLS Commissioner Don Garber talks about growth of league with All-Star Game headed to Red Bull Arena | NJ.com
 
Sure it does. First off, when sell-outs do occur, it prevents more fans from buying tickets for those particular games, which would bring the average up. Second, if they held more seats, then there would also be more inexpensive seats as well; thus more people would be able to buy cheaper tickets, also bring the average up.

The point is, they are NOT selling out completely because they are averaging 17,000 fans in stadiums that hold 20,000+. Why are they not averaging over 19 or 20,000 ?
 
The point is, they are NOT selling out completely because they are averaging 17,000 fans in stadiums that hold 20,000+. Why are they not averaging over 19 or 20,000 ?
Not every game is being sold out, true. But there are more sellouts in the NHL than there are in MLS. If the NHL had more seating (each stadium held more than 30,000 fans), then the average attendance my go up to 20,000 as there will be more games that are over the 20k mark that would normally be capped at 20k.
 
So if the average attendance keeps going up, does that NOT correlate to popularity? IF not, how so?
A correlation is not necessarily a causation. But I do agree that Soccer is slowly becoming more popular. I just don't agree that their current attendance figures are indicative of it currently being more popular than hockey
 
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No one has claimed that, not even the article.

Read the post in which my reply applies. I was addressing the issue he raised about attendance correlated with popularity

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