the thread is getting lost...but I have to say for now I'll take Moov as at least another hi def channel. I'd be fine to give it up for say, HDnet or HDmovies or some other HD channel that we dont have now. The ice cream melting was very cool. I do have a number of hot female friends that look spectacular in bikinis, couple that with a So Florida beach environmnet...well, perhaps I have to grab a 16mm camera and get them to do some running around in the surf...then submit it to the powers that be!