My first impression of D* HD vs. E* HD

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Before the installation, I filled my E* HDDVR with selected HD recordings, intended to do a side by side comparison with D* HDs, before my E* receivers are returned. I focused on mainly HGTV and FOOD channels since that is the time I have for now.

I used my 50" Panasonic 1080p plasma, with both E* 622 and D* HR21 connected by HDMI cables. I then recorded the same shows on HR21, played them back on both receivers for as fair a comparison as possible (my 622 is already disconnected so only can do playbacks). Both HDMI settings on my TV are set at the same calibrated custom video mode.

I must say I was a little disappointed that the D* MPEG4 HD did not stand out clearly against E*'s counterpart. I heard all the braving about how much better D* HD looked after people switched from E*, maybe D*'s PQ has come down lately?

Both suffered visible artifacts/microblocking in fast motion. Though E* seemed to have less resolution so the picture is softer, and motion artifacts were more apparent than D*. D* picture also seemed to have a little more intense color. But none of the above would be very noticeable in a casual viewing condition since I was in an inspection mode. It is however very possible that on an LCD panel, the issues will be amplified simply because of the nature of the LCD. Unfortunately I do not have time to hook them up to my 32" LCD panel for testing.

My comparison actually validated my initial objective to switch from E* to D*, not for HD PQ, not even for the more HD channels, but simply that E* wanted over $500 for each additional HDDVR I wanted to add since they don't lease more than "four tuners" and D* has no such limitation and only charges one DVR fee per account.

So if you ask me unless there are specific HD channels you must have and E* does not offer, or you are like me need multiple HDDVR's, a switch may not be necessary. E* HDDVR is easier to use, with D* there were always a few more remote clicks to do the same things.

But then again with all the discounts D* is throwing at a new sub, that alone may justify a switch anyway.
 
Thanks for that comparison. Sounds like you put alot of effort into it. I haven't had E* in a few years so I really cant say. But for some reason I cant really say I see that "spectacular" HD picture with D* like when I first saw an HD pic a few years ago. Probably because of compression. And I guess it's just me, but I cant really see any difference in the MPEG2 and now MPEG4 signal we have now. Yet many folks say that see it clearly. Sometimes I think people see what they want to see. ;)
 
There is a difference especially when you watch ESPN Basketball and ABC Basketball ABC here in Los Angeles in MPEG 4 and pq is far superior with ABC
 
There is a difference especially when you watch ESPN Basketball and ABC Basketball ABC here in Los Angeles in MPEG 4 and pq is far superior with ABC to the OP did you test Starz channels?
 
E* HDDVR is easier to use, with D* there were always a few more remote clicks to do the same things.

Just wondering what are some examples? I once thought this as well but the more I use the DVR the more short cuts I am finding to do things.
 
...OP did you test Starz channels?

I will be able to compare one recorded movie on E* StarzHD as soon as I record it on D* StarzHD West in two days. Am I correct I should use the west feed on D* for comparison?

I asked him that same question in one of the other threads he started, also giving him this link, Undocumented HD DVR PLUS Tips & Tricks - DBSTalk.Com , to a bunch of hints/tips, he never responded.

Do I have to respond to everything within 24 hours?:)
 
I will be able to compare one recorded movie on E* StarzHD as soon as I record it on D* StarzHD West in two days. Am I correct I should use the west feed on D* for comparison?

Nope, for Starz all those are MPEG4, HBO-E and Showtime-E are the MPEG2 and should use the west coast feeds.
 
I'd say pressing the record button on a program you want to watch,Is far more easy then being brought to another screen to ask you how, and what tv do you want to record the program too.D* is 1 touch record. E* is 2-4 touch record.
 
I have compared both side-by-side and do not see any of the problematic issues the OP states. I also do not see one DVR being more or less than 2% different or harder or easier to use. The MPEG4 PQ on DirecTV is great; Dish's is not bad either. All of my MPG4 LiL compares nearly 95% to its OTA counterpart. The HD PQ has not degraded either.
 
After having both Directv hd and DISH hd for a one day comparison I've noticed one thing. There is really not that much difference. I see a slightly sharper picture on Directv on their hd over DISH. But not enough to make me say WOW, but still very good. BUt DISH picture has always been slightly more softer than DIrectv , which has a more sharper picture. But I do like having my Sci FI and Usa Hd channels now that I have waited on for two months with DISH , and still waiting.
 
Just compared two more MEPG4 channels.
DiscoveryHD: I compared a same episode of "Thirty Jobs", the impression was the same I got from the HGTVHD and FOOGHD tests. E* was slightly more down-rezzed and showed more over-compression related motion artifacts/microblocking, but not enough to notice during a casual viewing.
CinemaxHD on E* vs. MAXHD West on D*: I compared a same episode of "Coed Confidential", they were identical, no over-compression artifacts, no sign of down-rez on either service. "Coed Confidential" is unique in that it is a 1080i video based show, unlike most movies on the premium channels that are film based. It is my experience that video based material is more demanding than film based, which was why I picked this show for comparison. Ok I see the glee in you but this is my story and I am sticking to it:)
I will have two more shows to compare in a few days, one on HistoryHD, another a film based 1080i movie on StartzHD.
 
I guess I'll be doing some comparisons soon too. I just signed up to switch to DirectTV from Dish!
 
Just completed my last comparison using HistoryHD and StarzHD.

On HistoryHD, unfortunately I could not record one identical show on both services in the time allowed, but I did compare quite a few HD shows recorded on both and I came to the conclusion that HistoryHD is 720p (correct me if I am wrong). Meaning the resolution is visibly lacking compared to a 1080i show. The upside of a 720p show is it uses much less bandwidth, so no sign of compression artifacts, both services looked equal.

The movie I compared on E* StarzHD and D* StarzWHD was "Pursuit of Happyness", a 1080i HD movie transfer we typically see on an HD premium movie channel, meaning the signature film material with some level of grainy look, but still maintaining decent resolution. Again I could not detect any compression artifacts in fast motion, no softness one compared to the other, both services were identical.

That concludes my tests.
 
I don't know if HistoryHD is 720p or 1080i, but let me clear up some thoughts on those two formats. If a station does 720p, you get a 1280x720p picture. Which has just under 1 million pixels of information in the picture. Its always 1280x720 and only a few things can kill its PQ, primarly being the overall bit rate that is being used by the provider. Other issues are 1080i / 720p converstions through out the process.

Now 1080i can come in three different flavors, 1920x1080i, 1440x1080i and 1280x1080i. Only the 1920 version has a higher pixel count than the 720p. 1440 cameras are very popular and still in use. 1280 version I believe has only been used by D and E on some of their channels. Although the pixel count can be higher for 1920, if the data rate is about the same as that for a 720p channel, then the 720p will most likely be better. 1920 needs a slightly higher data rate to push through all its pixels for the same pictures. This point becomes mute as data rates increase, but satellite rates are generally lower than OTA and cable.
 
I was watching the NBA game on NBATV yesterday and the pq blew me away I don't know if it was the camera they used during the game, it was by far the best HD Basketball game I have seen.
 
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