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I'm not a fan of NBC coverage of the NASCAR, but at least they improved their graphics this season. It was hard to read last season with them.
 
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Did you notice they won't be doing the oval at Indy but are going to do the road course:mad: I'm getting sick of all these road courses being done. If I wanted to watch a road course I'd watch Indy or Formula 1. Stick to the ovals even though it's left turns all the time. If they want to try something different do a Polish race lap.
I’m reaching the end of my patience for these road courses. Yesterday’s road America pretty much did me in. So boring, cautions that took at least 10 minutes with a few 20+. Then shortly after the race nascar tried to get the dialogue going in the direction of making it the permanent Independence Day event. I cannot think of anything that will kill the sport faster. One, the drivers lack road course talent and 2, the cars are painfully underpowered for road courses.
 
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Yes, NASCAR’s management has been pushing gimmick after gimmick.

A recent one has been this idiotic idea that somehow the oval tracks are “cookie cutters” (a baseball term which has nothing to do with motorsports) and “different” tracks, including road courses built for sports car racing and an ridiculous “roval” at CMS are the answer to their self-inflicted issues.

And the TV ratings are in. If the public really wanted road courses, one would expect very high ratings on road course weekends. But, as predicted, the exact opposite has happened. The lowest ratings of the season, year on year.

Because NASCAR is about oval racing. Watching drivers who are (or should be) there for their oval skills, drive cars appropriate for oval tracks, do a fish out of water 400 is silly.

People who want NASCAR on road courses also should want the NHL to have a week where the players play golf, or MLB to have a week where they play basketball.
 
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Yes, NASCAR’s management has been pushing gimmick after gimmick.

A recent one has been this idiotic idea that somehow the oval tracks are “cookie cutters” (a baseball term which has nothing to do with motorsports) and “different” tracks, including road courses built for sports car racing and an ridiculous “roval” at CMS are the answer to their self-inflicted issues.

And the TV ratings are in. If the public really wanted road courses, one would expect very high ratings on road course weekends. But, as predicted, the exact opposite has happened. The lowest ratings of the season, year on year.

Because NASCAR is about oval racing. Watching drivers who are (or should be) there for their oval skills, drive cars appropriate for oval tracks, do a fish out of water 400 is silly.

People who want NASCAR on road courses also should want the NHL to have a week where the players play golf, or MLB to have a week where they play basketball.
You had to make it personal didn't you well for you and others that are whining about road courses I got a simple solution switch the F***ing channel.
 
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And just when you think NASCAR management cannot get yet more stupid, they get yet more stupid. Sports Business Journal is reporting they will be cancelling (and refunding the tickets already sold for) the exhibition event formerly known as the Busch Clash, and holding an exhibition event on the Sunday between the conference championships and the Super Bowl.

On a temporary dirt oval built over the track (as in track and field) at the LA Coliseum, which a track and field oval is just under a quarter-mile.
 
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And just when you think NASCAR management cannot get yet more stupid, they get yet more stupid. Sports Business Journal is reporting they will be cancelling (and refunding the tickets already sold for) the exhibition event formerly known as the Busch Clash, and holding an exhibition event on the Sunday between the conference championships and the Super Bowl.

On a temporary dirt oval built over the track (as in track and field) at the LA Coliseum, which a track and field oval is just under a quarter-mile.
Be a lot cheaper to go to Bowman Gray except it's already asphalt. You are right about nascar management though in my opinion.
 
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Does NASCAR need to be owned by the car owners and not a family.
 
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Does NASCAR need to be owned by the car owners and not a family.
Yes, or at least somebody else.

A common saying is “first generation starts the business, second generation grows the business, third generation ruins the business”. This is certainly true in NASCAR’s case.

The founder “Big Bill” France, was a no nonsense tough guy who ruled NASCAR as a benevolent dictatorship. He pass it on to his son, “Little Bill” who also was raised hard and took no guff.

Then came the TV ban on tobacco advertising. RJ Reynolds, in the person of T Wayne Robertson, poured $$ into the sport. Robertson was a natural born promoter, who got NASCAR, understood who watched NASCAR, and wanted to sell smokes to people who liked NASCAR.

One thing that the RJR $$ did was foster a system where the Frances looked to the people with the $$ as the real people in charge.

Then came the end of tobacco money, Robertson’s death in a boating accident, and Little Bill’s retirement. Control passed to his son Brian, a college dropout, born and raised rich, and deeply desirous of acceptance by the “beautiful people” and deeply ashamed of his north Florida roots and the blue collar source of the family wealth.

But the culture of listening to those with the $$ remained. Unfortunately, those with the $$ now were TV executives from the north, who had no understanding of NASCAR, no like of NASCAR, and pretty much open contempt for the type of people who liked NASCAR. The main goal of this rotating crew of empty suits was to do a few years time and get promoted to football, or golf, or whatever.

A perfect storm. The people with the $$ were exactly the sort of people that Brian craved approval from. And they had contempt for the sport and the people who liked it. So they set about trying to “improve” what was not broken. The playoffs, the GWC, the over-emphasis on safety, in a sport that will NEVER be 100% safe, the spec cars, the road courses, the robotic personality free drivers, etc. And, yes, the big “your kind is not welcome here” moves made towards the core fan base. All in a vain attempt to get people that simply do not, and never will, like motorsports to watch.

And two-thirds of the fan base has walked away in less than 20 years.

Brian finally got a DUI he could not buy his way out of (in the Hamptons which tells you all you need to know about where his priorities lie) and his uncle is now the figurehead, but the whole family has doubled down on Brian’s ideas.

The TV deal runs out after 24. I expect the sport will get less than a third in the next one. The SMI people have cash and private equity backing, as does Penske, as does Haas. Hopefully someone will buy them out.
 
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Business wise what are the differences between NASCAR and Formula One. How is the ownership structure different. Could NASCAR learn something from how the other motor sports are run.
 
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Yes, or at least somebody else.

A common saying is “first generation starts the business, second generation grows the business, third generation ruins the business”. This is certainly true in NASCAR’s case.

The founder “Big Bill” France, was a no nonsense tough guy who ruled NASCAR as a benevolent dictatorship. He pass it on to his son, “Little Bill” who also was raised hard and took no guff.

Then came the TV ban on tobacco advertising. RJ Reynolds, in the person of T Wayne Robertson, poured $$ into the sport. Robertson was a natural born promoter, who got NASCAR, understood who watched NASCAR, and wanted to sell smokes to people who liked NASCAR.

One thing that the RJR $$ did was foster a system where the Frances looked to the people with the $$ as the real people in charge.

Then came the end of tobacco money, Robertson’s death in a boating accident, and Little Bill’s retirement. Control passed to his son Brian, a college dropout, born and raised rich, and deeply desirous of acceptance by the “beautiful people” and deeply ashamed of his north Florida roots and the blue collar source of the family wealth.

But the culture of listening to those with the $$ remained. Unfortunately, those with the $$ now were TV executives from the north, who had no understanding of NASCAR, no like of NASCAR, and pretty much open contempt for the type of people who liked NASCAR. The main goal of this rotating crew of empty suits was to do a few years time and get promoted to football, or golf, or whatever.

A perfect storm. The people with the $$ were exactly the sort of people that Brian craved approval from. And they had contempt for the sport and the people who liked it. So they set about trying to “improve” what was not broken. The playoffs, the GWC, the over-emphasis on safety, in a sport that will NEVER be 100% safe, the spec cars, the road courses, the robotic personality free drivers, etc. And, yes, the big “your kind is not welcome here” moves made towards the core fan base. All in a vain attempt to get people that simply do not, and never will, like motorsports to watch.

And two-thirds of the fan base has walked away in less than 20 years.

Brian finally got a DUI he could not buy his way out of (in the Hamptons which tells you all you need to know about where his priorities lie) and his uncle is now the figurehead, but the whole family has doubled down on Brian’s ideas.

The TV deal runs out after 24. I expect the sport will get less than a third in the next one. The SMI people have cash and private equity backing, as does Penske, as does Haas. Hopefully someone will buy them out.
I'm not sure about SMI. Weren't they the ones who put dirt at Bristol, moved the race from TMS to Circuit of the America's, and repaved AMS stupidly? I would call the "suits" "The Beast". Your post is spot on. Thank you.
 
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Bowman, the gentleman literally let guy he bumped into the wall, have the err... lead back somehow. Which is why Bowman won the Martinsville Restart 500. :imconfused
 

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