I couldn't agree more. I'd still be using my three networked ReplayTV 5000 series DVRs if it weren't for HD. And yes, ReplayTV was out before TiVo, but TiVo made it down to the patent office faster.
Patent Office upholds Tivo's "time warp" patent, EchoStar not so happy
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What do you think TiVo REALLY wants ? You think they want to put Dish out of the DVR business ? If so, you're 100% wrong. TiVo sued them in an attempt to *force* Dish to license their software. This is "normal" procedure in patent-infringement cases. If they shut effectively shut Dish down, what do they gain ? Dish and TiVo aren't really competitors. TiVo wants one thing, $$$.
They can't turn around and charge Dish many, many times more than what they charged SA, Pioneer, Motorola, and so on either.
Can you give references to that ? I've never read this before. I thought the Broadcom chipset was primarily a "tuner". The DVR functionality is a Linux-based program written by Dish.
That right there invalidates the patent.. if a company patents something that existed prior to theirs, the patent office is supposed to kill the patent. Right?
Not if Tivo shows they came up with the idea before replay. You can patent an idea before you produce a product.
I'm glad DirecTV holds the patent on the technology to make a HD-DVR without a OTA tuner.
How come?
If DVR's were turned off, then Tivo would hope that many or most of E* customers would acquire Tivo DVR's to use with E*. So they would gain customers either way. I'm not disagreeing with your statement, just seeing the other side.
And why not, it's the American way. If they have a valid patent claim against E* then E* should pay up for using the patent.
Has anyone seen the date of the filing for the "Time Warp" patent? It was filed 30 July 1998. Before dual tuners existed. I'm not too sure there was a DVR on the market at that time that allowed playback of one program while another was recording. I don't believe the DishPlayer was released until the following year, and I am unsure if ReplayTV had even released their DVR.
All these complaints about filing a patent that seems "obvious" aren't so obvious when you look at the context. All one needs to do is look up the "Great Telephone Controversy" to understand that one of the most important inventions of modern day was filed at the PTO by two parties on the same day. Does that make the innovation of the telephone a moot point?
The reason Echostar was targeted first was because they have the largest non-TiVo install base.
All these complaints about filing a patent that seems "obvious" aren't so obvious when you look at the context. All one needs to do is look up the "Great Telephone Controversy" to understand that one of the most important inventions of modern day was filed at the PTO by two parties on the same day. Does that make the innovation of the telephone a moot point?
The reason Echostar was targeted first was because they have the largest non-TiVo install base.
Ummm, do you really imagine that happening ? A consumer typically does NOT care about these behind-the-scenes details so long as something works. When company "A" comes along and makes company "B", who you're a customer of, shut off a feature you use, you'll run to company "A" ? I won't.... and I'll bet I'm not in the minority. I will be "mad" at company "A".
Re: tivo suggestions
I liked the old show Emergency
My wife likes: Animal shows
It started recording 'Emergency Veteranarians'
I liked the old show Emergency
My wife likes: Animal shows
It started recording 'Emergency Veteranarians'
Re: tivo wanting money for patent infringment
This is EXACTLY WHY people get patents. Huge companies STEAL technonlogy and then the creator loses money over it
I agree with Tivo in this case
Dish wantonly stole their technology
This is EXACTLY WHY people get patents. Huge companies STEAL technonlogy and then the creator loses money over it
I agree with Tivo in this case
Dish wantonly stole their technology
Yeah well Direct TV and other Cable companies better watch out as well due to they could be on Tivo's list as well.
I disagree 100%. The Dishplayer 7100 was out and had this feature before the first Tivo ever hit the streets.
