Satellite TV’s Orbit Is Failing Fast

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I disagree...picture quality streaming is much better than either of those 2 services..with no rain delay

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Only if you have access to sustainable broadband which a large part of the population does not. It doesn't matter how high the quality of their image is if you can't get it.
 

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You forgot about MCI...aka Verizon Business
MCI remains Internet's largest backbone


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That article is 15 years old. VZ does still have a backbone along with AT&T, CenturyLink, since their acquisition of L3 Communications, and theirs also GTT and Zayo Group that are US based as well.


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That article is 15 years old. VZ does still have a backbone along with AT&T, CenturyLink, since their acquisition of L3 Communications, and theirs also GTT and Zayo Group that are US based as well.


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Thats all old att

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Thats all old att

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Well, I don’t know if all of it is or not. I know all 5 companies are not all old ‘ma bell. You know there were other telephone companies, GT&E and Continental to name two.
It doesn’t matter if all of it was old ‘ma bell, it’s not now anyway.
 

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Well, I don’t know if all of it is or not. I know all 5 companies are not all old ‘ma bell. You know there were other telephone companies, GT&E and Continental to name two.
It doesn’t matter if all of it was old ‘ma bell, it’s not now anyway.
Most got bought out by or old att

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Most got bought out by or old att

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From a cursory review, Verizon Enterprise (UUNET, XO Verizon’s internet backbone), GTT, and Zayo are comprised of units that were never part of the Bell System.


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From a cursory review, Verizon Enterprise (UUNET, XO Verizon’s internet backbone), GTT, and Zayo are comprised of units that were never part of the Bell System.


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I meant they got gobbled up...by decendants of the bell system..ma bell has a long reach into communication networks.ma bell used to own radio/tv networks they were forced to spin off...however they kept the landline network that connected all the stations until satellites took over ..not to mention bell labs and the thousand of things they invented

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I meant they got gobbled up...by decendants of the bell system..ma bell has a long reach into communication networks.ma bell used to own radio/tv networks they were forced to spin off...however they kept the landline network that connected all the stations until satellites took over ..not to mention bell labs and the thousand of things they invented

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I know what you are saying now with your clarification. However, I was just pointing out that many of the US based Tier 1 networks were never part of the Bell System, using a generalization that all of them came out of the Bell System or RBOCs isn’t exactly a fair statement. All of the big 3 legacy telecoms now contain parts of the old RBOCs. AT&T being a renamed SBC and all of the baby bells that they acquired are the most direct descendants of the old Ma Bell. Verizon is a combination of Bell Atlantic, NYNEX, and GTE. CenturyLink a combination of many of the old independents, and the RBOCs that made up Qwest, so they all now do contain parts of the old Ma Bell, but the ‘new’ AT&T is the most direct descendent of the three. Their Tier 1 networks are comprised of many different entities that were never part of the old Bell System since they came along long after it had been broken up.


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And James Earl Jones' voice for their commercials and "Welcome To Verizon Wireless" recording was classic.
I was told that he was paid no less than 1 million dollars per voice-over session. He would arrive and do maybe two or three takes with very little or even no direction at all, and then leave. He could be in and out of the studio in less than 30 minutes. Directors and agencies were so terrified that a campaign would fail--and lose their jobs--if they didn't get the highest priced sure thing: JEJ. That terror is why Mr. Jones was in such high demand and on his terms and price (or more precisely his talent agency's terms and price for their client JEJ).
 
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3.0 is supposed to change this as the TV stations will be offering internet in different areas. There needs more competition in the internet field. Here, we only have Spectrum, other than Verizon/AT&T hot spots or satellite. No DSL out here. The more offerings we have the better.
Actually 5G is far more promising and likely to provide broadband internet to the home as competiting ISP service. ATSC 3.0 has a lot of capabilities but it is up to the broadcasters to fulfill those promises. ATSC 3.0, as far as I know, will not have broadcasters becoming ISP's. However there is the capability for them to provide access to streaming services, particularly in rural areas, but this is going to be one-way are mostly downstream that's not necessarily any upstream. You would still make the upstream request using your current ISP including even satellite internet in Rural America. then the higher bandwidth Downstream would be sent through the ATSC 3.0. broadcast signal. but, and this is a very big but there is no mandate for such a service, and considering broadcasters broken promises in the past, I wouldn't count on such a service becoming reality. I really do wish all of these capabilities are implemented and the power of ATSC 3.0 comes from the fact that it is IP and that provides a multitude of very interesting services in capabilities.
 
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Actually 5G is far more promising and likely to provide broadband internet to the home as competiting ISP service. ATSC 3.0 has a lot of capabilities but it is up to the broadcasters to fulfill those promises. ATSC 3.0, as far as I know, will not have broadcasters becoming ISP's. However there is the capability for them to provide access to streaming services, particularly in rural areas, but this is going to be one-way are mostly downstream that's not necessarily any upstream. You would still make the upstream request using your current ISP including even satellite internet in Rural America. then the higher bandwidth Downstream would be sent through the ATSC 3.0. broadcast signal. but, and this is a very big but there is no mandate for such a service, and considering broadcasters broken promises in the past, I wouldn't count on such a service becoming reality. I really do wish all of these capabilities are implemented and the power of ATSC 3.0 comes from the fact that it is IP and that provides a multitude of very interesting services in capabilities.
One main thing I do like about Charter (Spectrum) is there are no caps. I pay about $65 a month for 100 down. In this day, that is not bad. DSL is less (where available), but tops out at about 20, if lucky. Most fall in the 10-14 range for $40-$50 a month.
 
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I'm also on Spectrum with the same rate.Keep in mind though that they had to promise "no caps" for I believe 5 years for the Charter/Time Warner merger to go through.There might be 2 years left.In the next 2 years everyone will be consuming larger and larger amounts of bandwidth and the bill will come due-especially for those of us who don't have a choice of internet providers.
 

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Actually 5G is far more promising and likely to provide broadband internet to the home as competiting ISP service. ATSC 3.0 has a lot of capabilities but it is up to the broadcasters to fulfill those promises. ATSC 3.0, as far as I know, will not have broadcasters becoming ISP's. However there is the capability for them to provide access to streaming services, particularly in rural areas, but this is going to be one-way are mostly downstream that's not necessarily any upstream. You would still make the upstream request using your current ISP including even satellite internet in Rural America. then the higher bandwidth Downstream would be sent through the ATSC 3.0. broadcast signal. but, and this is a very big but there is no mandate for such a service, and considering broadcasters broken promises in the past, I wouldn't count on such a service becoming reality. I really do wish all of these capabilities are implemented and the power of ATSC 3.0 comes from the fact that it is IP and that provides a multitude of very interesting services in capabilities.
OK, I'll bite... what promises did the BROADCASTERS make for ATSC 3.0? I'm not talking about the standards committee or manufacturers of 3.0 equipment, I'm talking the broadcasters themselves.
 

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I have a 1TB cap with AT&T Fiber, and I typically use less than 200GB. If I upgrade to their 1Gb service, that goes away, but that would also add ~$20 to my monthly bill -- something to consider if I ever switched to YTTV or the like.
 

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I was told that he was paid no less than 1 million dollars per voice-over session. He would arrive and do maybe two or three takes with very little or even no direction at all, and then leave. He could be in and out of the studio in less than 30 minutes. Directors and agencies were so terrified that a campaign would fail--and lose their jobs--if they didn't get the highest priced sure thing: JEJ. That terror is why Mr. Jones was in such high demand and on his terms and price (or more precisely his talent agency's terms and price for their client JEJ).
He has a great voice. I think the ‘This is CNN’ ident that he did for them was the best they ever had.


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I'm also on Spectrum with the same rate.Keep in mind though that they had to promise "no caps" for I believe 5 years for the Charter/Time Warner merger to go through.There might be 2 years left.In the next 2 years everyone will be consuming larger and larger amounts of bandwidth and the bill will come due-especially for those of us who don't have a choice of internet providers.
7 years post merger. Charter didn't have a data cap before the merger either. They had a cap but it wasn't enforce and was removed from the fine print around 2014.

Of course, that was before OTT services took off.


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None that I am aware of. ATSC 3.0 is completely voluntary. Some stations are on the front lines and doing experimental testing (see WRAL), but none of them are required to do anything.
That was my understanding also. PP seemed pretty convinced that broadcasters PROMISED internet delivery via ATSC 3.0. So I simply wanted to know who promised what.
 

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That was my understanding also. PP seemed pretty convinced that broadcasters PROMISED internet delivery via ATSC 3.0. So I simply wanted to know who promised what.
No. It is a potential capability but it isn't something any of the TV stations have been promising by any means.
 

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He has a great voice. I think the ‘This is CNN’ ident that he did for them was the best they ever had.


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I find it ironic that James Earl Jones did the CNN voice considering his politics and CNN’s politics are exact opposites.
 

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