Time to say "so long..."

Many Senior Techs at DISH says it did. The installers said it would, but they didn't have to parts with since the work orders were so screwed up. If that's not, then I was lied to by MANY people. One being a Senior Service Tech that was at the house a week ago. If I find the original source for this I will post it.

I really don't care who told you what. TWO HOPPER 3'S ON A SINGLE HYBRID LNB DOESN'T WORK! It's just that simple. I don't know why you don't believe us here who have actually done it and who do this for a living every day and you also don't believe Dish Depot who told you the same thing. Instead you believe people who have obviously never done a two Hopper 3 install with next to no training looking at a diagram that was drawn for Hopper 1's and Hopper 2's. Why'd you bother wasting my time with those PM's if you are so convinced that I'm wrong? How many two Hopper 3 installs have you done?

Please stop spreading the myth that 2 Hopper 3's will work on a single Hybrid LNB. It simply isn't true!
 
First, all four techs were great. But the job orders, more than one, were a total mess and so were the back office support reps that are suppose to be there to help. They were horrid!!!

Last February I got fed up with the price going up and all the problems with the KCmGUI that was forced to HwS's and missing more and more recordings. I called to cancel, got a great rep and was offered a great deal, so I took it. Having dealt with DISH before and having that leery feeling, I have verified this job 4 times up until the last time the other day with the rep that set up the install appt. All 4 were stateside, two right up the street. Everything that was to be done and how and the pricing which was originally set up was verified 4 times. OH AND the three digit letter code they give to get in touch with them if need be, is worthless. That was verified by many people today. So it probably works since it was "verified".

Today, two sets of techs show up. One set, an upper level tech and a super. They wanted to check out the job since in the "notes" it was stated that a 40 foot ladder would be needed. About all that was right in the notes, today. Well that was nice of them and the fact that the tech after testing his very tall ladder decided to do all the work up top, since he was already there, so the next tech only had to install the leased and bought H3's. Well, the second techs work order was to do an install "fix" and nothing about what was in the "notes" or what was set up to actually be done. He's said luckily he grabbed an extra H3. AND THEN all the phone calls. The tech that was left with this mess had to make so many calls, his battery was drained trying to get things straightened out, which was more trouble than why I was going to cancel in the first place. PLUS a "supervisor" that the tech asked to talk to when one of the many reps just didn't get it, told me that what I was "sold" as a deal was impossible, which was verified 4 times with stateside reps that were great people, but was still impossible. But if it were in the notes, of which he could not find, it would be possible. WHAT?! OK Hmmm, so I guess the retention rep lied and the other three reps that all verified the same information were wrong. 4 Fing Times!!!

So more to the long story, we finally got things to a point where I was able to get the bought and leased boxes installed. BUT I had to redo all the negotiations that were done in February, lose the waved fees, and add a two year contract and deposit and back up credit card and all kinds of crap that I have never heard or done in the 23 years that we've been with DISH . . . And all this because Centurylink had put fiber on the pole 50' away from my house and I was fed up with DISH. Even if CL service and quality was bad, it wouldn't have been all this trouble.

AND, a big AND, I checked the install requirements and everything with a Supervisor that dropped off two UHF antennas, when it was 1 dead OTA module that was the problem. And he verified everything again. So that's 5 times. And neither the rep that I called about the OTA adapter, the Super or myself knew why a "tech roll" was required for a dead OTA module that was originally mailed to me. DISH is really losing it. AND one of the leased boxes today was DOA. Yup, losing it.

Now I have to put more into failed timer transfers and moving recordings since I found out box to box transfers don't work. Lucky I have a spare EHD. And for those that wonder why I needed two H3's, 2xH2's timers and drive space = > (greater than) one H3. DISH did this to themselves with their years of 1 box 1 TV. Now they want to cram all of my boxes into one. Plus 23 years of basically using a device in one manner can't easily be undone. I would love less gear. But these days there are so many apps on TV's, we won't need DISH . . . Also I'm not seeing the base quality that a device should have that can support 4K.

So what should have been "Adult Christmas" is basically a big mistake. AND I missed the Derby Party I was hosting. The family is watching "Lost in Space" on Netflix through an app on the TV. So time for more intoxicants and either Thor Ragnarök or The Last Jedi on VUDU in 4K or iTunes in HDR off an AppleTV 4K . . . REALLY LOUD!!

Grandma just called from the other side of the house and asked where all her stuff was. I told her that it was going to take a couple of days. I told her in the meantime we have VUDU, HBOGO, Amazon Prime and Netflix. She said, "Why do we need the dish then?". Good point.

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So it all went well then? :piethrow
 
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Let's make this simple. The ONLY way to run two Hopper 3 DVRs is to use a DPP LNB (not a DPH LNB) connected to a DPH42 switch (no other switch will work) the two lines from the switch can either go to the "Hybrid Duo Hub" (this is ideal) or, if necessary in the absence of an available Duo Hub, two "Hybrid Solo Hubs" may be used with one line from the switch feeding each Solo Hub. In this configuration the two Hoppers won't be able share recordings. A possible workaround is to run a line between one of the client ports on each of the two Solo Hubs. This should link the video network between the two hubs and enable sharing between the two Hoppers, but I don't know for sure if this trick still works. You should be aware that the Hopper 3 cannot be installed the same way or with the same equipment as all the previous Hopper models. A "Node" any Node will not work with a Hopper 3. If you're looking at instructions that include a Node, they're the wrong instructions and won't work with a Hopper 3. The Hopper 3 MUST be connected to either a DPH LNB without a switch or to a DPH42 switch with a DPP LNB. One or the other, not both. Again, if the instructions you're looking at don't have a DPH LNB or a DPH42 switch, it's not meant for and won't work with the Hopper 3. A DPH42 switch cannot be connected to a DPH LNB. A Hopper 3 cannot be connected to a DPP LNB without a DPH42 switch. A DPH LNB can support two Hopper 2 and earlier DVRs but can only support one Hopper 3. When a Hopper 3 is connected to a DPH LNB, the second port on the LNB becomes unusable. For all these reasons, you need a DPH42 switch to feed the two Hopper 3 DVRs and a DPP LNB to feed the switch. There is no other way except to run each Hopper 3 off of separate DPH LNBs. Which means each Hopper 3 would need a separate dish.
Note
DPH LNB = Hybrid LNB
DPP LNB = non-Hybrid LNB
 
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I really don't care who told you what. TWO HOPPER 3'S ON A SINGLE HYBRID LNB DOESN'T WORK! It's just that simple. I don't know why you don't believe us here who have actually done it and who do this for a living every day and you also don't believe Dish Depot who told you the same thing. Instead you believe people who have obviously never done a two Hopper 3 install with next to no training looking at a diagram that was drawn for Hopper 1's and Hopper 2's. Why'd you bother wasting my time with those PM's if you are so convinced that I'm wrong? How many two Hopper 3 installs have you done?

Please stop spreading the myth that 2 Hopper 3's will work on a single Hybrid LNB. It simply isn't true!

I AM NOT SPREADING THE MYTH. I was asking and repeating what I was told and labeled by whom it was, just to verify. Obviously you don't know the difference. Why yell at me? I see many in here same various things that are just as "erroneous" over and over and you do nothing to them. And it's not that I don't believe you guys here, but some have told me the same. SO who am I to believe. You all should have little medallions as to your truth worthiness?

I am relaying what I have been told by those that we are suppose to be able to count on, especially from DISH and those that I have talked to here that agreed. And since I have the install in your "traditional" fashion and basically did it myself since it was hard for the Tech to reach most of the places, I have done one myself and know more and will be more than glad to send pics when I go resecure the covers.

Sorry I imposed.
 
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Let's make this simple. The ONLY way to run two Hopper 3 DVRs is to use a DPP LNB (not a DPH LNB) connected to a DPH42 switch (no other switch will work) the two lines from the switch can either go to the "Hybrid Duo Hub" (this is ideal) or, if necessary in the absence of an available Duo Hub, two "Hybrid Solo Hubs" may be used with one line from the switch feeding each Solo Hub. In this configuration the two Hoppers won't be able share recordings. A possible workaround is to run a line between one of the client ports on each of the two Solo Hubs. This should link the video network between the two hubs and enable sharing between the two Hoppers, but I don't know for sure if this trick still works.
Not very well with the U511 software, but I'm sure you have seen other threads on here about those issues.

I AM NOT SPREADING THE MYTH. I was asking and repeating what I was told and labeled by whom it was, just to verify. Obviously you don't know the difference. Why yell at me? I see many in here same various things that are just as "erroneous" over and over and you do nothing to them. And it's not that I don't believe you guys here, but some have told me the same. SO who am I to believe. You all should have little medallions as to your truth worthiness?
Now that is a good idea, if anyone wants to take on the job of fact-checking this site. I would love to see a little medallion under my avatar. :)
 
HipKat,
Yup grabbed that diagram a long time ago when I first started investigating. Have referenced it many times throughout my questions. But still got variations.

This is what they did . . .

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Since you can get the DPH LNB and the Dual Hub at Walmart for under $50, or at least at one time you could. I couldn't believe it either, not seeing it anymore. Single Hub, yes. I just might try it that way to see what happens. At the moment with help, I am tracking down what I was told and by whom so that I may get the confusion sorted.
 
HipKat,
Yup grabbed that diagram a long time ago when I first started investigating. Have referenced it many times throughout my questions. But still got variations.

This is what they did . . .

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This seems wrong. Shouldn't the line from the 129 wing dish, in this case, go straight to the switch instead of the input port on the other LNB?
 
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Since you can get the DPH LNB and the Dual Hub at Walmart for under $50, or at least at one time you could. I couldn't believe it either, not seeing it anymore. Single Hub, yes. I just might try it that way to see what happens. At the moment with help, I am tracking down what I was told and by whom so that I may get the confusion sorted.
You don't want a DPH LNB because it can't support two Hopper 3 DVRs and it can't be connected to the DPH42 switch which you need.
 
This seems wrong. Shouldn't the line from the 129 wing dish, in this case, go straight to the switch instead of the input port on the other LNB?

It can, but wasn't. Although it would have been easy. And I seem to think I saw only 3 ports on that side. I have to go back up and check things out, find a couple lost bolts to the chimney cover, see how off center the remounted 129 dish is and if it'll make me nutz and how easy to move if I choose to do so . . . I'll take pic of the install. I might even pull it all out of the chimney so you can see it. But there was a lead from the 4th port on the DPP LNB, if the wing dish was ever needed to be reattached, and that's what it was attached to. At that time I was adjusting from the "changed" version of the install, trying to remember how the last installer and I wired for future proofing which was perfect for this and preparing for the worst.

Between the 3 Hyper-Techs they were pulling out all kinds of "new" as they were telling the one that had never seen it before. Including tools boxes one shop had and the other didn't So . . .
 
I was thinking the same thing. While the DPH42 switch is connected to the LNB, it would disable the switch built into the LNB, making the LNB input port useless.

I had been told, prior to the installers showing up, in the one of the forums when mentioning the 129 horn that would need to be covered I recommended using a cut off pop can. Others said tin foil, which I have heard too, others wondered if it would get too hot and melt the horn. Someone spoke up and said that it did not need to be covered. The "system" would figure out which one had the better signal and use that. Or combine the two to get a better signal. I recanted this to the Tech on the chimney connecting it all up, while I was on the other side on the roof and he said, "yes" that's what would happen. So . . .
 
It can, but wasn't. Although it would have been easy. And I seem to think I saw only 3 ports on that side. I have to go back up and check things out, find a couple lost bolts to the chimney cover, see how off center the remounted 129 dish is and if it'll make me nutz and how easy to move if I choose to do so . . . I'll take pic of the install. I might even pull it all out of the chimney so you can see it. But there was a lead from the 4th port on the DPP LNB, if the wing dish was ever needed to be reattached, and that's what it was attached to. At that time I was adjusting from the "changed" version of the install, trying to remember how the last installer and I wired for future proofing which was perfect for this and preparing for the worst.

Between the 3 Hyper-Techs they were pulling out all kinds of "new" as they were telling the one that had never seen it before. Including tools boxes one shop had and the other didn't So . . .
Does anything even work with that setup?
 
If he has three cables from the 110/119 LNB to the DPH42 switch, then I am guessing he is also getting 129 from that LNB, not from the wing dish.

The main dish is aligned so that 110 and 119 are at the best they can be. 129 is really bad. The wing dish is aligned for the best on 129. So I doubt that 129 is coming off the LNB. And supposedly it can mix and match to get the best signal. I can always cover the 129 horn on the main LNB and see if I lose signal . . .
 
The main dish is aligned so that 110 and 119 are at the best they can be. 129 is really bad. The wing dish is aligned for the best on 129. So I doubt that 129 is coming off the LNB. And supposedly it can mix and match to get the best signal. I can always cover the 129 horn on the main LNB and see if I lose signal . . .
The system will use the best signal it can find but it can't find or access the signal from the wing dish in this configuration. The wing dish needs to be connected to the switch.
 

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