Tivo sanction request against Echostar uncovered: $1Billion

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riffjim4069

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While I was never a fan of Tivo's patents and intellectual property, Dish Network's conduct has been contemptable (literally and judged to be true) and I hope Tivo gets all 1 Billion requested plus a "worst customer pricing" licensing agreement with E*. We shall see...
 

vampz26

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I've said it before, I'll say it again...

TiVo is a criminal company attempting to practice extortion and consumer terrorism.

This article is proof.

Hopefully their obvious greed and criminal mindset will weaken their position as well as their credibility...I mean, God forbid they actually try to make their money off of building better DVRs...:p
 

DishSubLA

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It means nothing. It is common in civil cases for Plaintiffs to ask for "the moon," or some ridiculous amount knowing that they will be awarded much less, if they should prevail. Also, the billion dollar figure is also being used, as is common in such court cases, to intimidate defendants (in this case Echostar/Dish) into thinking that they had better give themselves up to a royal F'ing and settle at Tivo's terms that would be a lot less than a billion dollars. Of course, Dish knows, as well as Tivo, that Tivo will never get anywhere near that award should Tivo prevail. In other words, it is all just part of the game.

As for your suggestion for Dish to purchase Tivo: Tivo wants too much money. Fighting the lawsuit really is much less expensive than buying Tivo (or agreeing to Tivo's terms of use of their patents: making the other party pay for just about ALL EXPENSES--marketing et al. while Tivo spends almost nothing). Now, if Tivo were really interested in Dish being a major investor in Tivo, a small percentage of ownership, or a seat on the board at Tivo, deals can be made at discount prices. However, I don't think Tivo wants Dish's investment; they want Dish's, and everyone else's, expensive monthly royalty payment. So, unless Dish and Tivo have been kissing in the closet, there will be no sale of Tivo (nobody wants to buy them, anyway; they are on life support, now) and certainly not Dish as a buyer. While almost anything is possible, things would have to change a lot for that to happen.
 
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cybok0

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I've said it before, I'll say it again...

TiVo is a criminal company attempting to practice extortion and consumer terrorism.

This article is proof.

Hopefully their obvious greed and criminal mindset will weaken their position as well as their credibility...I mean, God forbid they actually try to make their money off of building better DVRs...:p


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

MikeD-C05

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Okay DISHSUBLA that being said, do you see DISH /Echostar paying Tivo to license the software eventually? Because I don't see any other option unless Tivo goes under over night.
 

Ramy

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I've said it before, I'll say it again...

TiVo is a criminal company attempting to practice extortion and consumer terrorism.

This article is proof.

Hopefully their obvious greed and criminal mindset will weaken their position as well as their credibility...I mean, God forbid they actually try to make their money off of building better DVRs...:p

Whatever, go troll somewhere else.
 

MikeD-C05

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I've said it before, I'll say it again...

TiVo is a criminal company attempting to practice extortion and consumer terrorism.

This article is proof.

Hopefully their obvious greed and criminal mindset will weaken their position as well as their credibility...I mean, God forbid they actually try to make their money off of building better DVRs...:p

:up:up:up
 

MikeD-C05

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E should of bought them years ago...... this was all easily avoidable


I agree. It would of made more sense to buy them and make the lawsuits go away. Then they could be receiving payments from stand alone Tivos and Directv with their new Tivos as well. The amount of time wasted on creating software work arounds , fighting lawsuits , appeals is all for nothing. In the end I predict that Echostar/Dish will end up having to license the software anyway, but at a much higher dollar amount per sub than DIRECTV . The $5.98 per dvr fee that DISH charges puts them at a disadvantage in competition with DIRECTV , who charges one dvr fee per account , regardless how many dvrs you have on your account. DISH would not have to charge this if it weren't for the Tivo lawsuit.
 

sampatterson

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Finger to mouth, $1 BIlllllllllllion dollars. Tivo may be in the right legally, courts can decide that. I just don't like them. I don't like their UI, their slowness, their licensing for patents I don't believe they really invented, their logo.
 

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Tivo can ask for just about any amount for compensation of the contempt verdict. However, the real issue is whether the judge erred in his finding of contempt. I think his fatal mistake was his decision that even if the new software was non-infringing he still would find the DVR's to infringe. I think the Appeals Court will have something to say about this.
 

jayn_j

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Its as valid an opinion as anyone elses...

No trolling involved...

If you want to see trolling, I can point you in the right direction. ;)

I disagree with your point, but this was not a troll post. People around here only want to hear opinions that agree with theirs.

$1B is a big number, but not as far out of line as you think. How much does it cost to keep a team of lawyers for ten years? How much is ten years worth of lost royalties worth? How about the damage to the business from circumventing the TIVO model and making the TIVO Product less competitive?

From where I sit, the problem lands squarely in Charlie's ego. We used to talk about him being a good poker player, but it is clear to me that in recent years, Charlie has forgotten how to recognize a losing hand and fold gracefully. And when you don't fold, you get hit with losing a really big pot.
 

ncted

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Software patents should be abolished. In the mean time, if Dish didn't want to play by the rules, they should have purchased a license or the company that holds the patents.

FWIW, I still prefer Tivos.

Ted
 

mike123abc

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This is why Echostar will not let this case end. If they were to stop now they would have to license TiVo software at whatever price TiVo names. There is no law that says TiVo has to license the patents to Echostar at a reasonable price. Until Echostar finds a way around this patent they will keep fighting at all costs.
 
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