What are the odds this bill will pass?

[TNGTony]

TV Markets currently not available on Dish by state (Duplications are of markets that straddle state lines):

Alabama
Columbus, GA #128 (4 counties)

Arkansas
Jonesboro #181 (6 counties)

California
Eureka #195 (2 Counties)

Delaware
Salisbury #144 (1 County)

Georgia
Columbus #128 (12 counties)

Indiana
Lafayette #189 (2 counties)

Iowa
Ottumwa, IA/Kirksville, MO #200 (4 counties)

Kansas
St. Joseph, MO #201 (1 County)

Kentucky
Bowling Green #182 (6 Counties)

Louisiana
Lake Charles #176 (4 Parishes - Counties to everyone else)
Alexandria #179 (4 Parishes - Counties to everyone else)

Maine
Presque Isle #204 (1 County)

Maryland
Salisbury #144 (4 Countis)

Massachusetts
Springfield #111 (3 counties)

Michigan
Marquette #180 (10 Counties)
Alpena #208 (2 Counties)

Minnesota
Mankato #199 (4 Counties)

Mississippi
Biloxi/Gulfport #163 (3 Counties)
Greenwood/Greenville #187 (7 Counties)
Hattiesburg/Laurel 167 (8 Counties)

Missouri
Ottumwa, IA/Kirksville, MO #200 (6 Counties)
St. Joseph, MO #201 (3 Counties)

Montana
Glendive 210 (2 Counties)

Nebraska
North Platte #209 (3 Counties)

New York
Binghamton #157 (4 Counties)
Elmira #175 (3 Counties)
Utica #169 (2½ Counties)
Watertown *177 (3 Counties)

Ohio
Lima #186 (3 Counties)
Parkersburg, WV #193 (1 County)
Wheeling, WV/Steubenville, OH #159 (4 Counties)
Zanesville #203 (1 County)

Oregon
Bend #192 (1 County)

Pennsylvania
Elmira, NY #175 (1 County)

Tennessee
Jackson #169 (6 Counties)

Texas
Victoria #205 (1 County)

Virginia
Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, WV #155 (1 County)
Harrisonburg, WV #178 (2 counties)

West Virginia
Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill #155 (8 Counties)
Harrisonburg #178 (1 County)
Parkersburg #193 (2 Counties)
Wheeling, WV/Steubenville, OH #159 (6 Counties)

Wisconsin
Marquette, MI (1 County)

 

[Zero327]

TV Markets currently not available on Dish by state (Duplications are of markets that straddle state lines):

Alabama
Columbus, GA #128 (4 counties)

Arkansas
Jonesboro #181 (6 counties)

California
Eureka #195 (2 Counties)

Delaware
Salisbury #144 (1 County)

Georgia
Columbus #128 (12 counties)

Indiana
Lafayette #189 (2 counties)

Iowa
Ottumwa, IA/Kirksville, MO #200 (4 counties)

Kansas
St. Joseph, MO #201 (1 County)

Kentucky
Bowling Green #182 (6 Counties)

Louisiana
Lake Charles #176 (4 Counties)
Alexandria #179 (4 Counties)

Maine
Presque Isle #204 (1 County)

Maryland
Salisbury #144 (4 Countis)

Massachusetts
Springfield #111 (3 counties)

Michigan
Marquette #180 (10 Counties)
Alpena #208 (2 Counties)

Minnesota
Mankato #199 (4 Counties)

Mississippi
Biloxi/Gulfport #163 (3 Counties)
Greenwood/Greenville #187 (7 Counties)
Hattiesburg/Laurel 167 (8 Counties)

Missouri
Ottumwa, IA/Kirksville, MO #200 (6 Counties)
St. Joseph, MO #201 (3 Counties)

Montana
Glendive 210 (2 Counties)

Nebraska
North Platte #209 (3 Counties)

New York
Binghamton #157 (4 Counties)
Elmira #175 (3 Counties)
Utica #169 (2½ Counties)
Watertown *177 (3 Counties)

Ohio
Lima #186 (3 Counties)
Parkersburg, WV #193 (1 County)
Wheeling, WV/Steubenville, OH #159 (4 Counties)
Zanesville #203 (1 County)

Oregon
Bend #192 (1 County)

Pennsylvania
Elmira, NY #175 (1 County)

Tennessee
Jackson #169 (6 Counties)

Texas
Victoria #205 (1 County)

Virginia
Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, WV #155 (1 County)
Harrisonburg, WV #178 (2 counties)

West Virginia
Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill #155 (8 Counties)
Harrisonburg #178 (1 County)
Parkersburg #193 (2 Counties)
Wheeling, WV/Steubenville, OH #159 (6 Counties)

Wisconsin
Marquette, MI (1 County)

Just for my own personal amusement, in how many of these locations is inbreeding still common? I'm thinking Wrong Turn...

 

[digiblur]

Correction on Louisiana...there is no such thing as counties in Louisiana.

 

[TNGTony]

Oh All right!

 

[dishcomm]

Just for my own personal amusement, in how many of these locations is inbreeding still common? I'm thinking Wrong Turn...

Just follow the sound of the banjo....LOL!!!!

 

[digiblur]

Oh All right!

LOL... had to mess with ya Tony!

I bet a lot of those that are not covered only have 1 or 2 stations in their DMA.

 

[HDRoberts]

In discussion elsewhere, it seems the law would be written such that locals would have to be carried is the services served that market. Thus, it may be cheaper and easier for Dish just to cancel accounts in their unserved markets so they don't have to provide locals there. This idiot congressman may just cost his constituents a programming option rather than giving them more options. The cable lobby probably loves it, though.

 

[mixedday]

Regarding the Salisbury MD DMA, a couple negating factors are that
1.Verizon Fios recently started in several communities. With Fios already competing with Comcast, it unfortunately diminishes sat TV purpose in that area.
2. Low flat terrain. So, you have some that can put up an antenna, get local TV via antenna, and then get sat for everything else.
3. Must-carry overflow from larger markets. Philadelphia maybe getting 2-3 more uncarried stations on Dish and Dish needs to find space to put them.

The other carrier DirecTV requires a full package before one can get locals. That's fine and its their decision, but if the idea of this bill is so that more customers have a way to get access to local channels and broadcast networks, and that's all they really want, I'm sure cable is more likely to offer a lifeline service.

 

[Laddyboy]

LOL... had to mess with ya Tony!

I bet a lot of those that are not covered only have 1 or 2 stations in their DMA.

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Even though several of the markets show most if not all the Big 4, they are often multiple nets being carried by the same station, as well as repeater stations and low power stations.


Alabama
Columbus, GA #128 (4 counties) All 4 big nets

Arkansas
Jonesboro #181 (6 counties) ABC of the big 4

California
Eureka #195 (2 Counties) All 4

Delaware
Salisbury #144 (1 County) CBS, Fox, ABC

Georgia
Columbus #128 (12 counties) See Alabama

Indiana
Lafayette #189 (2 counties) CBS only

Iowa
Ottumwa, IA/Kirksville, MO #200 (4 counties) All 4

Kansas
St. Joseph, MO #201 (1 County) ABC only

Kentucky
Bowling Green #182 (6 Counties) All 4

Louisiana
Lake Charles #176 (4 Parishes - Counties to everyone else) NBC, FOX
Alexandria #179 (4 Parishes - Counties to everyone else) All 4

Maine
Presque Isle #204 (1 County) CBS, FOX

Maryland
Salisbury #144 (4 Countis) See Delaware

Massachusetts
Springfield #111 (3 counties) All 4

Michigan
Marquette #180 (10 Counties) All 4
Alpena #208 (2 Counties) CBS

Minnesota
Mankato #199 (4 Counties) CBS, FOX

Mississippi
Biloxi/Gulfport #163 (3 Counties) ABC, Fox
Greenwood/Greenville #187 (7 Counties) CBS, Fox, ABC
Hattiesburg/Laurel 167 (8 Counties) CBS, NBC

Missouri
Ottumwa, IA/Kirksville, MO #200 (6 Counties) See Iowa
St. Joseph, MO #201 (3 Counties) ABC

Montana
Glendive 210 (2 Counties) CBS, NBC

Nebraska
North Platte #209 (3 Counties) All 4

New York
Binghamton #157 (4 Counties) ABC, NBC, Fox
Elmira #175 (3 Counties) ABC, NBC, Fox, CBS?
Utica #169 (2½ Counties) All 4
Watertown *177 (3 Counties) CBS, Fox, ABC

Ohio
Lima #186 (3 Counties) All 4
Parkersburg, WV #193 (1 County) NBC, Fox
Wheeling, WV/Steubenville, OH #159 (4 Counties) All 4
Zanesville #203 (1 County) NBC

Oregon
Bend #192 (1 County) All 4

Pennsylvania
Elmira, NY #175 (1 County) see NY

Tennessee
Jackson #169 (6 Counties) ABC, Fox

Texas
Victoria #205 (1 County) ABC, NBC, Fox

Virginia
Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill, WV #155 (1 County) All 4
Harrisonburg, WV #178 (2 counties) ABC, NBC, Fox

West Virginia
Bluefield/Beckley/Oak Hill #155 (8 Counties) See Virginia
Harrisonburg #178 (1 County) See Virginia
Parkersburg #193 (2 Counties) See Ohio
Wheeling, WV/Steubenville, OH #159 (6 Counties) See Ohio

Wisconsin
Marquette, MI (1 County) See Michigan

 

[bthom70]

I'd like to see this happen too.
I live in Fairfield County CT, by DMA we are part of NYC.
No matter how much any complains they wont budge on the Nielson rating DMA scope.
We are closer milagewise to all of the other CT locals, but due to living in Fairfield County we are required to have NYC locals shoved down our throats.

If nothing comes of this soon, I'm putting up an antennae to get as many CT locals as I can.

I remember SHIRVA a few years ago, but lost track of the outcome as to why it was not passed.

 

[gwhitelover]

I'm happy with watching Philly's news and reading the paper to find out whats around me. Even though, I will be on WBOC next week. Too bad I cannot see it.

 

[dishcomm]

I'd like to see this happen too.
I live in Fairfield County CT, by DMA we are part of NYC.
No matter how much any complains they wont budge on the Nielson rating DMA scope.
We are closer milagewise to all of the other CT locals, but due to living in Fairfield County we are required to have NYC locals shoved down our throats.

If nothing comes of this soon, I'm putting up an antennae to get as many CT locals as I can.

I remember SHIRVA a few years ago, but lost track of the outcome as to why it was not passed.

Huh?
C'mon. That part of CT IS in the NY Metro area. Stamford is 40 miles as the crow flies from mid town Manhattan.
There are people in the Poconos that are in the NY DMA.
Geographically, the NY DMA is one of the smallest in in the country. Those living in the DMA's fringes have a legitimate beef. Sorry, but IMO those in close proximity to NYC should not complain.
I say this, if one is on need of nearby local channel repception, OTA is the way to go.

Think of it this way. I grew up in NJ. We were NYC dominated in the news until WWOR Moved to Secaucus. And even then NJ was all but ignored.

 

[Mr Tony]

Iowa
Ottumwa, IA/Kirksville, MO #200 (4 counties) All 4

they only have ABC & FOX

Maine
Presque Isle #204 (1 County) CBS, FOX

Minnesota
Mankato #199 (4 Counties) CBS, FOX

Fox is subchannels

Nebraska
North Platte #209 (3 Counties) All 4

NBC, Fox (subchannel) & PBS only

The translators in a county you can't count because they are low power and dont qualify for must carry and in a lot of examples they are owned not by the station but by local co-op's etc.

 

[whatchel1]

What you will see.

I'd like to see this happen too.
I live in Fairfield County CT, by DMA we are part of NYC.
No matter how much any complains they wont budge on the Nielson rating DMA scope.
We are closer milagewise to all of the other CT locals, but due to living in Fairfield County we are required to have NYC locals shoved down our throats.

If nothing comes of this soon, I'm putting up an antennae to get as many CT locals as I can.

I remember SHIRVA a few years ago, but lost track of the outcome as to why it was not passed.

This what you will see in relationship to SHIRVA from many TV stations.

YouNewsTV YouNews™

Story Published: Oct 11, 2006 at 9:48 AM PST
The Satellite Home Viewers Improvement Act was established in 1999 to ensure that everyone, no matter where they lived, would be able to access network programming. The FCC followed the 1999 regulation with a revised waiver process in 2004. Basically, if viewers could not receive a signal from a local affiliate station due to geographical or topographical reasons, either the primary or secondary waiver process (as described by SHIVA Act in 1999 and again in the SHIRVA Act of 2004) could be utilized so that the viewer could be able to get a distant network signal.

The FCC mandated that the satellite provider be the party to initiate the waiver process and that local TV stations would then act, AFTER being contracted by the satellite providers. That is what the regulation used to be.

Now that satellite providers are able to pass on local station signals (local into local in this market) to their customers, the need for acquiring a waiver for a distant network signal has passed, according to the FCC. Therefore, this station will not grant a waiver to a viewer who is already able to access CBS programming.


I know that it is this way for stations where I have worked & work. The GM here is not allowed by corp to give ANY waivers.

 

[Awohar]

I wish they would change the law to allow satellite customers to get locals from any market they choose. that way the only limitation is technical one like spotbeam, not a legal limitation. this would allow satellite companies to more effectively fight rate increase by piddly local affiliates by just sticking another affiliate in its place until contracts are resolve. result is customers still get better price and at worse have to watch out of market affiliate for a few months.

making people get ABC from whatever station "serves" that area is like telling me i have to buy a hamburger at the nearest fast food place even if I think the one across town is better and would rather have their hamburger.

my suggestions....

allow customers to order more than one dma
allow customers to choose which dma to get locals from

 

[whatchel1]

Slim to no chance

I wish they would change the law to allow satellite customers to get locals from any market they choose. that way the only limitation is technical one like spotbeam, not a legal limitation. this would allow satellite companies to more effectively fight rate increase by piddly local affiliates by just sticking another affiliate in its place until contracts are resolve. result is customers still get better price and at worse have to watch out of market affiliate for a few months.

making people get ABC from whatever station "serves" that area is like telling me i have to buy a hamburger at the nearest fast food place even if I think the one across town is better and would rather have their hamburger.

my suggestions....

allow customers to order more than one dma
allow customers to choose which dma to get locals from

What you want has slim to no chance of happening ( in fact slim has probably left the building). This would completely change the broadcast marketing setup and doubt that FCC will ever go for that.

 

[david_jr]

What you want has slim to no chance of happening ( in fact slim has probably left the building). This would completely change the broadcast marketing setup and doubt that FCC will ever go for that.

I agree that this would NEVER happen. NAB would fight to the death. I do think that the DMA's are poorly drawn and that people shouldn't be forced into one unless they live reasonably close to the center of a given DMA, say within 30 miles or so, which is about the distance reliable OTA travels. Local stations should not be entitled to people who can't reliably get their signal OTA and citizens shouldn't have to get a waiver as they are rarely granted as another poster pointed out. Anyone outside of that reasonable zone should be able to pick what one they want within a region. I think it is completely wrong for everyone to be considered part of a DMA regardless how far they are from it because of an arbitrarily drawn line. It is just unfair. That's my opinion anyway, which of course, I think is completely reasonable.

 

[Awohar]

if local stations want to keep customer, they should make better programming that customers want to get. that is why i hate NAB...like I said, i should be able to get my hamburger from whatever restaurant where i think the burger is better, not just the hamburger place that clames to serve my neighborhood.

local stations have advantage over distants because they provide more localized news, sports, etc. that alone would keep most customers watching. but having choice is better for customer because stations have to keep up with better programming so not to lose customer to ABC from another town.

 

[whatchel1]

95%

if local stations want to keep customer, they should make better programming that customers want to get. that is why i hate NAB...like I said, i should be able to get my hamburger from whatever restaurant where i think the burger is better, not just the hamburger place that clames to serve my neighborhood.

local stations have advantage over distants because they provide more localized news, sports, etc. that alone would keep most customers watching. but having choice is better for customer because stations have to keep up with better programming so not to lose customer to ABC from another town.

There is only about 5% of the programming that is done at the local level. With exception of news and occasional local events such as a sporting event or telethon. Most stations are affiliates of a national network, So programming differences are rare. DMA's are really set up for 2 reasons: 1. emergency management (this includes storms or dangerous situations) & 2. local commercialism.

 

[jegrant]

I agree, the only local TV bill that would make sense would say something like:
As long as you buy your own DMA locals first, you may then buy any other locals you want. The distant locals would not be edited in any way. No exclusivity rules for either network or syndicated programming would apply.

I would even be willing to say that of any amount charged for distant locals, 50% of that amount must be sent back to the locals in your DMA. Even if they had to charge a higher rate for distants, I bet many would buy them.