What kind of spider is this?

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I usually like to live in harmony with the critters that live out in the woods with me, but the exterior of the house would be one big spider web if I didn't acutally use pesticide directly on the house and eaves. Unfortunately, the following victim was found after she'd taken a fatal hit of the poison.

I've seen black widows many times, and they usually have a classic hourglass design on their underbellies, but this one had a variation on it's back I'd not seen before. Can anyone expound upon this? Is this perhaps a species that mimics the potentially harmful Black Widow?
 

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I usually like to live in harmony with the critters that live out in the woods with me, but the exterior of the house would be one big spider web if I didn't acutally use pesticide directly on the house and eaves. Unfortunately, the following victim was found after she'd taken a fatal hit of the poison.

I've seen black widows many times, and they usually have a classic hourglass design on their underbellies, but this one had a variation on it's back I'd not seen before. Can anyone expound upon this? Is this perhaps a species that mimics the potentially harmful Black Widow?
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The red-back spider is closely related to the black widow spider of the United States and the katipo of New Zealand. The female red-back is black with a distinctive red or orange marking on its back, although this may sometimes be absent. These markings may be broken into spots in front and, sometimes, thin white lines may be visible. The female can grow up to 15mm long. Males are very small and usually only grow up to 5mm long. The female is the only one capable of harming humans as the male's fangs are incapable of penetrating human skin. The male is short-lived and has more complex markings than those of the female, incorporating white and sometimes yellow markings.

Did You Know?
Like its famous relative, the black widow spider, the female red-back is certainly not adversed to making a meal out of the hapless, smaller male of the species after mating. It is thought that this maybe why males are so small so they can approach the female undetected and possibly have a better chance of escape after the job has been completed.

Habitat: Red-back spiders can be commonly found in logs or under rocks in the bush as they tend to reside in dark, dry areas. In suburban regions, the red-back has been known to live under roof eaves, floorboards, shelves, flower pots or in garden sheds. The web is a tangle of dry silk. The traplines are sticky to assist with catching their prey.

Diet:
Red-backs eat almost any small insects that are caught in their webs. They will also eat skinks and even juvenile mice, snakes and frogs. Red-back spiderlings will also eat their siblings. The red-back spider weaves a snare-like structure that traps prey walking on the ground beneath the web. Its spring-like action traps the animal into the small web above, where it cannot escape from the traplines that are covered with sticky globules.

Reproduction
: Female red-backs take about 2-3 months to mature and can lay 3-8 egg sacks between September and May. Each sack can contain up to 300 eggs. However, most of the hatchlings do not survive because they are eaten by their siblings and are very prone to wasp parasitism.
 
No offense to your "live in harmony" edict, but the only spider I like is a dead one. Sorry, but that sucker would sooooo be smacked dead. Anything that shows bright colors indicates poison...BAD NEWS...to me.
 
I agree. The only good spider is a dead one. Forget all the cute memories of Charlotte's Web. This is either KILL or be bitten. I'll side with the KILL mentality when it comes to spiders. ewwwwwwwwwwww
 
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Yeah, when I did a search, I kept hitting that one, too. But it's not exactly like it and it would be unusual since Red Back's are exclusive to Austraila (I'm in Texas). That's not to say it can't happen...it would just be quite unusual.

The only other searches that yielded similar spiders were the following:
Black Widow Spider - Latrodectus - BugGuide.Net
Black Spider with red markings - Latrodectus variolus - BugGuide.Net

Yet, none of those have the perfectly defined edges on the design as the one I found.
 
No offense to your "live in harmony" edict, but the only spider I like is a dead one. Sorry, but that sucker would sooooo be smacked dead. Anything that shows bright colors indicates poison...BAD NEWS...to me.

Yeah, our personal website may explain some things: HiltonHouse

My personal website is: 120inna55 For more insight to the lengths we will go to avoid harming "icky" creatures such as snakes, read my blog from Saturday, June 16th about a snake that wrapped himself around my storm door handle.
 
Yeah, when I did a search, I kept hitting that one, too. But it's not exactly like it and it would be unusual since Red Back's are exclusive to Austraila (I'm in Texas). That's not to say it can't happen...it would just be quite unusual.

The only other searches that yielded similar spiders were the following:
Black Widow Spider - Latrodectus - BugGuide.Net
Black Spider with red markings - Latrodectus variolus - BugGuide.Net

Yet, none of those have the perfectly defined edges on the design as the one I found.
there is a insect forum like this one for DBS with a buch of board spider genusis i didnt feal like becoming a member but if you want to know bad enough go there and sighn up they will tell you everything and more about it
 
Yeah, our personal website may explain some things: HiltonHouse

My personal website is: 120inna55 For more insight to the lengths we will go to avoid harming "icky" creatures such as snakes, read my blog from Saturday, June 16th about a snake that wrapped himself around my storm door handle.

Hahahaha! More power to you. The only animals allowed in THIS house are the two cats and the girlfriend :p
 
120inna55, I live about 20 miles southeast of Henderson, Texas, a total of about 90 or 95 miles from Athens. We have found numerous of these same types of spiders around our house. They seem to prefer the same types of environments that black widows prefer. Also, I have noticed that the markings are often in different patterns on these things. Some might have a red stripe while others have a red dot or two dots. I knew they were not black widows but I would kill them anyway, just to be on the safe side. I found an entomologist at the A&M website and e-mailed him once about a strange bug I had found around here. He knew what I was talking about and directed me to a website that was useful. You might try that approach.
 
Hahaha, grown men scared of bugs! when ever we find bugs in the house we scoop them up with a sheet of paper including spiders unless its something that moves to fast then more than likely it will get squished in the process. Ive only had to kill a small handful of spiders, two were black widows, several brown recluse, and a huge garden spider that freaked out a childhood girlfriend so bad she wet her pants.
 
Van, it's not so much that I'm scared of bugs as it is that they are pests and I have four children, two of which are still pretty small and a poisonous bite of any kind is more traumatic to their bodies and therefore more dangerous. I live in the country where we have to worry about skunks - which are prone to have rabies, wasps, black widow spiders, cottonmouth moccasins, copperhead snakes, poison ivy, lightning, and tornadoes. Just because I take precautions against these things doesn't make me foolish and scared. It makes me sensible.
 
I live in north east Georgia, black widows, brown recluse, scorpions, cotton mouths, moccasins, ticks, basicly the same things you have to worry about and though we have more rednecks and now have MS13 and a couple other hispanic gangs to worry about that are increasingly violent. Not sure if you have these there but we found a 6 inch centipede in the living room the other night, the kind that stinks and it hurts badly.
 
Van, it's not so much that I'm scared of bugs as it is that they are pests and I have four children, two of which are still pretty small and a poisonous bite of any kind is more traumatic to their bodies and therefore more dangerous. I live in the country where we have to worry about skunks - which are prone to have rabies, wasps, black widow spiders, cottonmouth moccasins, copperhead snakes, poison ivy, lightning, and tornadoes. Just because I take precautions against these things doesn't make me foolish and scared. It makes me sensible.

Yes, there are things we can help guard against.

On Guam, there's a brown tree snake problem. Every once in a while one bites a baby (trying to eat it??!!). THAT'S a hospital trip. The only thing found to kill them is a Tylenol down the throat. Need something better. I tell you, what we really need is a great brown tree snake recipe!

But I doubt we'll see too many spider recipes, and no great ones.
 
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