Yes. its been like this since the 811 was introduced. The majority of the 811 went with the package and to people who are renting the 811 on the Dish Home Plan. Most people don't do what I did. I went to a retailer and paid full price for the 811 a day or two after it was available. I will be a two year customer of Dish in February. I could have gotten it for half the price or less.