YouTube TV Drops Disney’s ABC, ESPN and Other Networks After Two Sides Fail to Reach New Deal

[John2021]

Well, I didn't say one way or the other, but my understanding was Disney makes most of their money from their parks and cruise lines these days. The TV stuff is technically profitable, but not nearly as much as it used to be.

I was mainly talking about how much money is wasted on college football, whether Disney is involved or not.

last i heard the disney park wasn't doing to well atleast when we were in ca they wern't people boycotted em because of woke polices and it costs to much now

 

[John2021]

I can't imagine what t.v. would be like if chicks didn't watch it .... Though the days are long gone for the need of 300-400 channels it's basicly the same crap shuffled around to different channels at different times... that's why we have DVR'S for

 

[telstar_1]

"Blaming" game mirrors that long-running between sat providers and programmers- The provider says the programmer shut it off whilst the programmer says the provider shut it off.

 

[John2021]

"Blaming" game mirrors that long-running between sat providers and programmers- The provider says the programmer shut it off whilst the programmer says the provider shut it off.

It's always the blame game!!! maybe it's time for them to cut some of the CEO'S salaries

 

[zippyfrog]

I dont watch most of them except during College football and basketball season. The ESPN channels, SEC, and ABC are basically the only reason I use live tv for even a small part of the year, and even then only a few hours a week in that time.

Exactly! I would add Monday Night Football, but since ESPN is now simulcasting so many of the top tier games on ABC, I can miss a couple of MNF games here and there. But yeah, I really only watch the Disney owned channels now for football and basketball season, and then occasional Pardon the Interruption throughout the year.

 

[Jimbo]

"Blaming" game mirrors that long-running between sat providers and programmers- The provider says the programmer shut it off whilst the programmer says the provider shut it off.

Its always the Network/ Channel (old term) that pulls the service, NOT the Provider ...

If I the Provider lets say Directv or YTTV or whomever, has a great show thats drawing well, then along comes the Network CBS/or Paramount or Hulu or ABC .... WHY would I the Provider pull the plug on the show thats the best for you ?
You Wouldn't ....

But the Owner of that show WOULD, to get you attention, or More Money.

Its Not the distributer that pulls the show.

 

[meStevo]

last i heard the disney park wasn't doing to well atleast when we were in ca they wern't people boycotted em because of woke polices and it costs to much now

People who want a reason to hate will run with whatever sounds good to them, meanwhile back in reality, what you quoted was accurate - Disney Experiences segment posted $2.5b in operating income, and increase of 13% and made up more than half of their reported profit for the quarter.

 

[ncted]

I don 't understand why you think it is "Wasted" on Football ?

I think the waste is in college football, not what Disney has already spent. If anything, the huge amounts Disney and others have already spent are the reason these ridiculous college coach payouts described in the article are possible. Colleges are spending money they don't have on football in the hopes of future earnings. How much longer will that business model work when linear TV subs continue to decline at a alarming rate? Some streamers might pick up some of the slack, but they are not as profitable as the legacy TV distribution model. We already saw the sports industrial complex begin to crumble with the failure of the RSNs. I expect that was just the first domino.

 

[Foxbat]

I don 't understand why you think it is "Wasted" on Football ?

I believe he's referring to schools putting paying tens of millions of dollars to football coaches who flame out before their contract expires, and then said school pays tens of millions to get rid of said coach and multiple tens of millions to replace them with the next Big Shiny Wins Guaranteed coach.

Who ends up paying for that? The college bumps their attendance prices and demands more from their game coverage agreements, which the sports providers like Fox Sports, ESPN, NBC, CBS, or ABC need to pay, raising rates they charge the Paid TV Providers to carry this content.

We had to endure Brian Kelley here in South Bend and thought he was the next Lou Holst, but found out he wasn't. He saved ND a lot of money by jumping to LSU, then cost LSU over $50 million to kick him to the curb (if bayous have curbs) when he failed to deliver on his perceived potential.

edit: Oops, ncted already responded.

 

[Jimbo]

I believe he's referring to schools putting paying tens of millions of dollars to football coaches who flame out before their contract expires, and then said school pays tens of millions to get rid of said coach and multiple tens of millions to replace them with the next Big Shiny Wins Guaranteed coach.

Who ends up paying for that? The college bumps their attendance prices and demands more from their game coverage agreements, which the sports providers like Fox Sports, ESPN, NBC, CBS, or ABC need to pay, raising rates they charge the Paid TV Providers to carry this content.

We had to endure Brian Kelley here in South Bend and thought he was the next Lou Holst, but found out he wasn't. He saved ND a lot of money by jumping to LSU, then cost LSU over $50 million to kick him to the curb (if bayous have curbs) when he failed to deliver on his perceived potential.

edit: Oops, ncted already responded.

Initially, the School BOOSTERS will pay the Coaches payouts.

For those that complain about them, but don't watch the Sports, what do they care, they are not purchasing the Sports programming ... now days where everything is on a per channel option ...

Can't wait till they start bundling those channels together ...

Oh wait, they already are ... its called a Bundle, but really its just the same as what we got rid of, a Cable system (over internet).

Biggest advantage is, you don't normally have a Commitment or Box fees.

 

[Bruce]

Oh wait, they already are ... it's called a Bundle, but really its just the same as what we got rid of, a Cable system (over internet).

I do not mind the bundle, as long as I get to pick what the bundle contains.

For example, the Hulu Bundle, I can just get Hulu, Hulu with Disney, or with ESPN also.

Currently, all three, but after Football is over, will drop down to Hulu/Disney.

 

[ncted]

Initially, the School BOOSTERS will pay the Coaches payouts.

It probably varies from school to school.

 

[ncted]

For those that complain about them, but don't watch the Sports, what do they care, they are not purchasing the Sports programming

That is only partially true. Amazon, Netflix, Peacock, Paramount+, and AppleTV have all added sports programming. It is unavoidable anymore. One of the reasons I fled satellite was the high cost of sports, but that win was only temporary. I don't hate sports. I watch F1, and I paid for it via F1TV. The advent of major sports on almost all streaming services is just returning us to the bad old cable days. In my opinion of course.

 

[Jimbo]

It probably varies from school to school.

The Large School work that way, not sure about the minor schools ... but they usually don't have the Major name Coaches

 

[Jimbo]

That is only partially true. Amazon, Netflix, Peacock, Paramount+, and AppleTV have all added sports programming. It is unavoidable anymore. One of the reasons I fled satellite was the high cost of sports, but that win was only temporary. I don't hate sports. I watch F1, and I paid for it via F1TV. The advent of major sports on almost all streaming services is just returning us to the bad old cable days. In my opinion of course.

Exactly ... That shows that Sport IS Important to many ... Even though you all ran away from it ...

Don't get me wrong, none of us Like High prices.

 

[Bruce]

Exactly ... That shows that Sport IS Important to many ... Even though you all ran away from it ...

Hate to disagree, but the vast majority of population here in the United States, do not watch sports.

There are 132 Million Households in the United States, currently Sunday Night Football averages about 10 Million Households watching, that is less than 8% of our population.

 

[ncted]

The Large School work that way, not sure about the minor schools ... but they usually don't have the Major name Coaches

Well, UNC hired Bill Belichick.

Looks like the schools that report such things typically get over a third of their sports revenue from TV rights, with ticket sales, state funding (in the case of public schools), and booster donations being secondary sources of income. As to whether the money to hire/pay-off coaches comes from TV rights, booster donations, etc., it probably can vary a lot depending on how the school runs things.

 

[ncted]

Exactly ... That shows that Sport IS Important to many ... Even though you all ran away from it ...

Don't get me wrong, none of us Like High prices.

Many people, yes. The majority of people, maybe in aggregate? Maybe? That is, fans of all sports and all teams may represent a simple majority of TV viewers. How important is another thing. Would all the NFL fans be willing to pay for Sunday Ticket if that was the only way to watch the games? I don't know, but what I do know is sports channel fees represent a disproportionate amount on cable bills, and streaming is starting to look the same.

It isn't just about the costs going up. It is the costs going up to pay for something that is very expensive and that a minority of subs on a given platform will watch. Most things on a given platform will attract a minority of subs, but most of those things also cost a lot less than sports. People fled to Netflix, Hulu, etc. to get away from the high cost of things they don't watch. Where will they go now? Seems like piracy. For me it is physical media, for at least as long as they still press discs.

 

[AZ.]

I chuckle at the sport part. How many watch kids programming? News networks?
I would say its 1/3, 1/3, 1/3. Not like Nickelodeon brings in 20 million viewers ever evening. Even Fox News who rule cable news is a small number for infotainment.