YouTube TV Drops Disney’s ABC, ESPN and Other Networks After Two Sides Fail to Reach New Deal

[Bruce]

While the service is good, best amongst streamers IMO, I will be looking at alternatives.

I found this-

As the two negotiate over a new carriage agreement, fees, and terms, Disney's Hulu + Live TV has quietly extended its fall promo for new and eligible returning subscribers: 3 months of Hulu + Live TV (with ESPN Unlimited & Disney+) for $64.99 per month for three months (regularly $89.99).

Cord cutters looking to make a switch and enjoy over 95 live channels, unlimited DVR, and the stacked bundle of ESPN/Disney, a savings of roughly $75 over three months is a short-term deal worth taking. You'll want to act fast, as this deal has been extended through Tuesday, November 18, at 12:00 PM ET.

Disney vs. YouTube TV: Hulu + Live TV Extends 3-Month Discount Amid Dispute | Cord Cutters News

The YouTube TV and Disney dispute has entered another week, and millions are scrambling for alternatives to watch the Disney-owned content and live sports they love. As the two negotiate over a new carriage agreement, fees, and terms, Disney’s Hulu + Live TV has quietly extended its fall promo...

cordcuttersnews.com

 

[Jimbo]

Also would help if you put up a link, so I could read this article myself.

10 second Google search ...

YouTube TV Blackout: Nearly 25% of Subscribers Have or Plan to Cancel Over Disney Dispute, Survey Finds

A Drive Research survey finds many of those polled will subscribe directly to ESPN or Hulu + Live TV to watch the content they care about.

www.thewrap.com

 

[Jimbo]

I was always told to be careful of surveys and look at all the information, not just pick the part of the survey that proves my point. This seems to be the case.

Absolutely ... Headline Exaggeration

 

[Jimbo]

I decided to cancel my subscription before renewal comes up early next week. I keep paid live tv for one reason, and that is live sports.

Being a Bama fan, having these channels is the key reason for having it. I am not confident that the dispute will be resolved before the next billing date.

While the service is good, best amongst streamers IMO, I will be looking at alternatives.


What I did find kind of humorous is when I went to cancel, its not uncommon to be offered a discount, or at the least a pop up that asks if you are sure.

I got none of that. Cancel? yes.

Fine. Bye.

So, you Cancel YTTV and this benefits Disney ...

Disney gains you as a sub (ESPN is on Disney) and the opposition loses (YTTV) ...

Thats a Win/ Win for Disney.

Fwiw, I'm with YTTV on this one, they are the ones that pass the channels along to the Sub .... all those people complaining about YTTV are barking up the wrong tree.
Disney took the channels down, Not YTTV .... which is the way it is in Most cases, but sub all think its the person they are paying that is at fault.
Of course if your getting the channel directly from Disney for example, it's different.

 

[Ronnie-]

So, you Cancel YTTV and this benefits Disney ...

Disney gains you as a sub (ESPN is on Disney) and the opposition loses (YTTV) ...

Thats a Win/ Win for Disney.

Fwiw, I'm with YTTV on this one, they are the ones that pass the channels along to the Sub .... all those people complaining about YTTV are barking up the wrong tree.
Disney took the channels down, Not YTTV .... which is the way it is in Most cases, but sub all think its the person they are paying that is at fault.
Of course if your getting the channel directly from Disney for example, it's different.

Personally I dont care who it benefits, or who took them down.

I cant watch them with YTTV at the moment, if that is the fault of the man in the moon, makes me no difference.

I will get them elsewhere. I will say if they get them back up, I will sign back up to YTTV at that point.

 

[savarese04]

I cant watch them with YTTV at the moment, if that is the fault of the man in the moon, makes me no difference.

agree. the blame game and politicking does the end user no favors. we just want a resolution and in 2 months, when this is resolved, none will remember who's fault it was.

For me, I've come to realize i could cancel YTTV and any streaming now, if I could just get NBC Sports Bay Area and watch the Warriors/Giants.

 

[Jimbo]

Personally I dont care who it benefits, or who took them down.

I cant watch them with YTTV at the moment, if that is the fault of the man in the moon, makes me no difference.

I will get them elsewhere. I will say if they get them back up, I will sign back up to YTTV at that point.

And that EXACTLY the problem ....
Your taking your frustration out on the wrong people.

What would you do if the company (Disney ) in this case took ESPN OFF the Air entirely ... as in not available Anywhere ?

Then you would be pissed at the right people.

Of course, this is entirely why people get held for hostage .... and they would have no negotiations to be done IF they were not available elsewhere ...

So, when you see the prices go up one a Direct to Customer network, its purely because of them, themselves.

 

[Jimbo]

agree. the blame game and politicking does the end user no favors. we just want a resolution and in 2 months, when this is resolved, none will remember who's fault it was.

For me, I've come to realize i could cancel YTTV and any streaming now, if I could just get NBC Sports Bay Area and watch the Warriors/Giants.

Again, you too would be blaming the wrong person ... the Parent company Loves it when people don't understand .

 

[AZ.]

And that EXACTLY the problem ....
Your taking your frustration out on the wrong people.

What would you do if the company (Disney ) in this case took ESPN OFF the Air entirely ... as in not available Anywhere ?

Then you would be pissed at the right people.

Of course, this is entirely why people get held for hostage .... and they would have no negotiations to be done IF they were not available elsewhere ...

So, when you see the prices go up one a Direct to Customer network, its purely because of them, themselves.

I will repeat it for the 100x. I believe this is the plan. We have all the content in just a few hands now. They can slowly put everyone out of business because they hold the content. Then your forced to get it only one place. Then they can control the price and eliminate the middle man!

 

[Ronnie-]

And that EXACTLY the problem ....
Your taking your frustration out on the wrong people.

I am not taking frustrations out on anyone. I am going elsewhere to watch what I am willing to pay for.

What would you do if the company (Disney ) in this case took ESPN OFF the Air entirely ... as in not available Anywhere ?

Then the SEC would be on another channel. I would watch it on whatever they were on. I have no loyalty to ESPN, they simply have the rights to air the games I want to watch.

Then you would be pissed at the right people.

Not pissed.

Of course, this is entirely why people get held for hostage .... and they would have no negotiations to be done IF they were not available elsewhere ...

So, when you see the prices go up one a Direct to Customer network, its purely because of them, themselves.

Prices are going to go up no matter what. When is the last time any of these companies lowered the monthly fee and kept it so?

I dont watch much live tv at all. The ONLY thing I do watch is live sports in general, live SEC sports in particular. You seem to be saying, just dont watch, but also keep paying for the only thing you do watch, when you cant watch it.

Back in the sat contract days, you really did not have a choice. Now? I can. I am going to pay the company that offers what I am willing to pay for to watch what I want to watch. Who wins or loses in these disputes, that really doesnt concern me. Its YTTV having it this week, it will be another one later.

 

[Jimbo]

I will repeat it for the 100x. I believe this is the plan. We have all the content in just a few hands now. They can slowly put everyone out of business because they hold the content. Then your forced to get it only one place. Then they can control the price and eliminate the middle man!

And then raise the prices continually whenever they want.

 

[Jimbo]

I am not taking frustrations out on anyone. I am going elsewhere to watch what I am willing to pay for.


Then the SEC would be on another channel. I would watch it on whatever they were on. I have no loyalty to ESPN, they simply have the rights to air the games I want to watch.


Not pissed.


Prices are going to go up no matter what. When is the last time any of these companies lowered the monthly fee and kept it so?

I dont watch much live tv at all. The ONLY thing I do watch is live sports in general, live SEC sports in particular. You seem to be saying, just dont watch, but also keep paying for the only thing you do watch, when you cant watch it.

Back in the sat contract days, you really did not have a choice. Now? I can. I am going to pay the company that offers what I am willing to pay for to watch what I want to watch. Who wins or loses in these disputes, that really doesnt concern me. Its YTTV having it this week, it will be another one later.

You MISSED my point (Somehow) Entirely.

 

[AZ.]

And then raise the prices continually whenever they want.

Absolutely.....These companies are to big! we never allowed it. Now one giant eats another.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

From someone at Disney.

Team,

We promised to keep you updated on our negotiations with Google's YouTube TV following their decision last week to pull our channels from their service, and we are writing today with the latest. We realize this has been a challenging week, with everyone asking the same question as millions of YouTube TV subscribers during the busiest time of the year in sports: When will ESPN and ABC be back on the service? We wish we could give you that answer today, but unfortunately, we are headed into another sports-packed weekend without a deal in place.

We know you've seen a swirl of information about the impasse, so we wanted to share some of the facts:

We began these negotiations by offering YouTube TV a deal that would cost less overall than the terms of our recently expired license. That's real savings that YouTube TV could pass along to its customers. We've offered innovative, bespoke programming packages—tailored to sports fans, entertainment fans, kids and families—that would provide tremendous flexibility for YouTube TV and greater choice and value for its customers. We've offered fair terms that are in-line with the more than 500 other distributors that have renewed their agreements since last summer, including the top distributors, who are far larger than YouTube TV. Despite all this, YouTube TV continues to insist on receiving preferential terms that are below market and has made few concessions. Rather than compete on a level playing field, Google's YouTube TV has approached these negotiations as if it were the only player in the game. It goes without saying that the reason so many consumers value our programming above others is because we invest in the best talent, creators and content in the world, and we cannot allow anyone to undercut our ability to do so.

We know how difficult this situation is for the YouTube TV customers we serve, and for all of you who provide the sports programming, entertainment, news and live events that our fans know and love. Thank you for the incredible work you do each and every day and for staying focused on maintaining such a high bar throughout this difficult situation.

We will continue to work diligently to find common ground with YouTube TV and will keep you informed as we have more news to share.

With Gratitude, Alan, Dana & Jimmy

 

[Derek K]

We got an e-mail this morning saying that YTTV is offering us 21 days free anyone else get the e-mail.. I'm thinking people are dropping them since the espn and disney dispute

Its very simple. When you have Dish, DIRECTV or even cable its very difficult to switch providers. You need to get on the phone, spend an hour of your time going over the packages with an agent. Schedule installation, be home from 12-5 and wait 2-3 hours while the tech does the install.

Not to mention your likely signing a new contract with a new provider and possibly paying a cancellation fee to cancel your old provider and having to call the old provider and be put on hold while trying to cancel the other service.

Streaming you bring your own device, you don't like a particular service, you cancel online with a click of a button and 5 minutes later you are up and running with new streaming provider.

There is a lot more volatility with a streaming service and there is a good chance YouTube could get hit hard enough over this, all those subs they gained due to having Sunday ticket could go away the longer this dispute goes on.

I don't know how You Tube plans on resolving this... Really don't care either as I prefer using a Satellite Dish to get my TV.

As far as sports programing. A few things. There are 4 types of people.
1) People who watch all the sports and want access to everything
2) People who only watch one particular sport like Baseball
3) People who don't watch sports, but want access to sports programming if there is a popular game they want to watch.
4) People who don't watch any sports programming at all.

I personally don't watch that much sports programming, but I do not mind paying for it as if there is a game on I want to be able to tune into it.

I think paying these college athletes was a big big mistake. Let them make their money on endorsements. When schools start paying athletes its no longer about playing for a particular school, its now about who will pay the most. I would really like to know if these college athletes ever have time to actually study, or does the school just give them honorary degrees

 

[navychop]

I graduated college in 1976. We had a football player who was, as we painfully and publicly discovered, illiterate!

I don't think he made it to the professionals. What does he do now? He can't sell used cars- he can't read the contracts!

Sad. Passed along from early grammar school. Lot of guilty folks along the way.

 

[savarese04]

Again, you too would be blaming the wrong person ... the Parent company Loves it when people don't understand .

I have no idea what you're talking about. Who did I blame? What parent company? I only said the companies blaming each other in public doesn't benefit anyone and most consumers don't care, nor will they remember when all this passes.

You seem to be running some internal monologue or hate for something that has nothing to do with the discussion here.

 

[Jimbo]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Who did I blame? What parent company? I only said the companies blaming each other in public doesn't benefit anyone and most consumers don't care, nor will they remember when all this passes.

You seem to be running some internal monologue or hate for something that has nothing to do with the discussion here.

Everyone on here that is mad or shutting off YTTV is Blaming them, IF you were not, you'd see that Disney is the ones that took the channels down.

But thats ok ... you all go ahead and drop the provided without seeing who actually dropped the channels.

 

[Bobby]

It's as simple as this, YTTV had a contract with Disney that lapsed. When YTTV has no contract they are required to take down the channels unless Disney allows them to keep them up during negotiations. I don't see that Disney allowed that so Disney, being in the drivers seat, is responsible for the takedown.

 

[Altitudinous]

It's as simple as this, YTTV had a contract with Disney that lapsed. When YTTV has no contract they are required to take down the channels unless Disney allows them to keep them up during negotiations. I don't see that Disney allowed that so Disney, being in the drivers seat, is responsible for the takedown.

And yet, Disney leaders say this:

We promised to keep you updated on our negotiations with Google's YouTube TV following their decision last week to pull our channels from their service