Vick Suspended!!!!!!!

LMAO....your an idiot!! What do you think lead to guilty plea? HIS lawyers and the FEDs came to an agreement....you dipstick....LOL....if not he would have plead guilty to EVERYTHING and just said 'take me to jail'. It's called 'negociating to avoid a trial' you dummy....!!!

LMAO.....please stop....you are looking MORE retarded by the minute. ALL lawyers negociate to the best of their capabilities to either get their client off or to avoid going to trail where things can get worse.....what part of THAT do you NOT understand genius??!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Can't we leave this name calling in the PIT? I would like to think we're a little more civilized in this forum. By the way - it's spelled negotiating. Before you call someone an idiot, at least make sure you're spelling is correct.
 
I treally as degenerated to the point where it is likea pit discussion. Salsa is entitled to is opinion ---altough that is all it is a----and everyone else can look at it as they choose to.
 
I treally as degenerated to the point where it is likea pit discussion. Salsa is entitled to is opinion ---altough that is all it is a----and everyone else can look at it as they choose to.
I think he had summon every piece of intelligence he has to post that gem. I have tried very hard not to call names but its getting difficult. I've got news for him. That judge is not required to accept the plea deal Vick's lawyers negotiated with the government prosecutors.

"The judge in the case will have the final say over the plea agreement." NFL suspends Vick indefinitely - CNN.com

And it does happen more than one might think.
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I guess the operative word for my name calling friend is "think" :rolleyes:
 
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salsa, let me get this straight...........................the guy plead guilty to killing dogs, gambling and conspiracy. he plead guilty. nobody twisted his golden arm. he plead guilty because if he hadn't, the whole he dug himself would have been larger.

just what part of the equation do you fail to understand? :confused:
did he plead to killing dogs? Thats the sad part of this.

"Vick did not gamble by placing side bets on any of the fights. Vick did not receive any of the proceeds from the purses that were won by 'Bad Newz Kennels.' "
Vick also agreed that "collective efforts" by him and two others caused the deaths of at least six dogs.

Around April, Vick, Peace and Phillips tested some dogs in fighting sessions at Vick's property in Virginia, the statement said. "Peace, Phillips and Vick agreed to the killing of approximately 6-8 dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road and all of those dogs were killed by various methods, including hanging and drowning.

"Vick agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts of Peace, Phillips and Vick," the summary said.

Whatever that bologna statement means. I dont see anything there that admits to personally killing any animal with his hands. Vick will use this fact to spin this in a year when he is out of jail. He will say he condoned it or didnt stop it in an effort to look human and get back on an NFL team :rolleyes:
 
To be fair Vurbano he has never said that the judge must accept theplea bargain. He does seem to think that the judge was part of the negotiations. That might be true the judge sometimes is but in most cases that is done pretty much in the open with the discussions going on in the judge's chambers.

I have no idea whether the judge will accept it or not. Even less whether the NL will eventually let the guy back in. But they see the fact that the public is upset and they have never been thrilled with players associating with gamblers (remember the Joe Namath situation) so I would not hold my breath on him coming back.
 
Can't we leave this name calling in the PIT? I would like to think we're a little more civilized in this forum. By the way - it's spelled negotiating. Before you call someone an idiot, at least make sure you're spelling is correct.

Paul...no offense, but I doubt you have been prefect. I stated an opinion...I might have missed a letter...maybe 2....but if you are planning to be THAT PETTY....please tell me in advance....:rolleyes:
 
My argument has been the same. I think he will get off easy to the federal charges and if there are no other charges, then I think that within a year he will be re-instated because his agent and a GM or two will push for it.

My argument has NOTHING to do with how guilty he is or what he has been charged with or how bad of a person he is. I just think because of his fame and money, like most of the rich that get caught doing a bad thing....he will get it easy.
 
My argument has been the same. I think he will get off easy to the federal charges and if there are no other charges, then I think that within a year he will be re-instated because his agent and a GM or two will push for it.

My argument has NOTHING to do with how guilty he is or what he has been charged with or how bad of a person he is. I just think because of his fame and money, like most of the rich that get caught doing a bad thing....he will get it easy.


he's facing the toughest judge in the circuit who often hands down sentencing above federal guidelines. i wouldn't be shocked if vick gets more than 5 years in the federal pen.
 
Vick can only hope judge is lenient
Vick can only hope judge is lenient - Yahoo! News

<!-- BEGIN STORY BODY -->By LARRY O'DELL, Associated Press Writer 24 minutes ago

<!-- end storyhdr -->RICHMOND, Va. - Michael Vick can only hope he will get more leniency from the judge than he did from the NFL.

Roger Goodell's letter informing the Atlanta Falcons quarterback of his suspension reads almost like a goodbye, the NFL commissioner doing nothing to hide his disgust and his disdain.

A similar reaction by U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson, who will be presented with Vick's plea agreement on Monday, could mean years in prison.

In court papers, Vick admitted bankrolling "Bad Newz Kennels" and participating in the killing of dogs in the dogfighting operation. But he tried to deflect much of his culpability in the grisly enterprise onto his friends.

That didn't deter Goodell, who was quick to hold Vick responsible, suspending him indefinitely and without pay Friday from the job that made him a millionaire and a superstar. The decision, on the brink of season opener, left the Falcons without their headline player.

Goodell made it forcefully clear Vick wasn't helping himself by trying to pawn off blame on his three co-defendants in the case.

"You are now justifiably facing consequences for the decisions you made and the conduct in which you engaged. Your career, freedom and public standing are now in the most serious jeopardy," Goodell wrote.

The portrait of Vick as a person who enjoyed the heinous blood sport has fueled protests by animal-rights activists and destroyed his image, prompting sponsors to dump him.

After initially denying his involvement, the 27-year-old player has said little publicly about the case. Privately, he met with Goodell and Falcons owner Arthur Blank when the investigation was just beginning, and lied to both.

Vick's defense attorney, Billy Martin, said Vick will "explain his actions" publicly, but did not say when. The "Tom Joyner Morning Show," a syndicated program based in Dallas, said it will have a live interview with Vick on Tuesday, and he will take questions from callers.

No matter what Vick says or doesn't say, the final word rests with Hudson, a judge whose household includes a Bichon Frise, a white powder puff of a dog.

As he emphasized to Vick's co-defendants when they agreed to their plea deals, Hudson is not bound by a prosecutor's recommendations or by sentencing guidelines.

Vick will plead guilty to conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal-fighting venture. Prosecutors will suggest a term of 12 to 18 months, but Hudson could give him five years, or more. The sentencing likely will be set before the end of the year.

His lawyers say they will try to minimize Vick's involvement.

"Our position has been that we are going to try to help Judge Hudson understand all the facts and Michael's role," Martin said in telephone interview. "Michael's role was different than others associated with this incident."

That role has been widely and loudly debated on sports talk radio, TV and football stadiums around the country.

Even before Vick admitted to his participation in the brutal sport, animal-rights groups protested outside NFL headquarters, Falcons camp and the federal court.


Nike severed its ties with him Friday, Reebok already has stopped selling his jersey and is accepting refunds for it. Upper Deck removed his card from its 2007 collection.

Reaction to the case largely has been divided along racial lines. Most of those defending Vick are black supporters; protesters have been predominantly white.

Black officials in Surry County got hate mail accusing them of dragging their feet on a local investigation to protect one of their own, and even the prosecutor there suggested race and profile were motives when the feds got involved.

The Atlanta chapter of the NAACP, which urged the public not to prematurely judge Vick, came to his defense again this week, saying he should be allowed to pursue his football career after serving his sentence.

In Vick's old neighborhood, he's seen as someone who never forgot his roots.

After deciding to enter the NFL draft, he picked the Boys & Girls Club where he spent much of his youth to make the announcement, remembering how it shaped his life.

A few months ago, mentor James "Poo" Johnson called Vick to ask if he could get some equipment for a Boys & Girls Club tournament. Vick sent the stuff along and provided school supplies and air conditioners to needy residents in the city.

His lawyers hope those stories showing Vick's better side will have sway. But it was the sway of those hometown ties that got Vick into this mess.

His supporters portray him as a victim of his own intense loyalty to the guys he hung out with before he became rich and famous. One such friend was Tony Taylor of Hampton, the first of three co-defendants to cop a plea.

Earnest Hardy, who lives next door to Vick's property in rural Surry County, said Taylor once told him Vick had promised: "If I ever make it, I'm going to look out for you."

Said Hardy: "So Tony was working at Marva Maid Dairy over in Newport News and he said when Mike got that big contract with all that money, he came and got him. He said, 'Didn't I tell you I was going to look out for you?' And that's what he did."

But they didn't look out for Vick.

Co-defendants Quanis Phillips of Atlanta and Purnell Peace pleaded guilty and agreed to testify against Vick if the case went to trial.

"If you go back and look at the list, the people that reaped the most personal benefit from being close to Mike are really the ones that are sinking him further down now," Hardy said.

When authorities found dozens of dogs and equipment commonly used in dogfighting at his property, Vick claimed he'd hardly ever been to the house and that family members had taken advantage of his generosity.

"If I'm not there, I don't know what's going on," he said.

Vick's written plea agreement filed with the court Friday erased that notion.

He acknowledged bankrolling the operation, participating in the execution of dogs in April and sponsoring — and sometimes attending — dogfights over the past six years.

The dogs had names such as "Magic," "Tiny" and "Too Short," and the enterprise's name, "Bad Newz Kennels," was an homage to the street name of his native Newport News.

In his plea agreement, Vick said that although he provided money for others to bet on the fights, he never placed bets himself or shared in any winnings — a distinction that clearly carried no weight with Goodell. The commissioner also cleared the Falcons to try to get back $22 million in signing bonuses paid as part of a 10-year, $130 million contract.

Atlanta made him the No. 1 draft pick in 2001 after a dazzling three-year stint at Virginia Tech, where he had been a model player — polite, soft-spoken and humble — and led the Hokies to the 2000 national championship game.

By all accounts, it was good being Mike Vick.

He took over as the starter in 2002, leading Atlanta to the playoffs for the first time in four years. In 2004, Atlanta advanced to the NFC championship game, and the Falcons gave Vick the big contract — then the richest awarded in NFL history.

Now, it's all come crashing down.

Vick's troubles have left those that knew him — or thought they did — flummoxed.
"The Michael Vick I knew here at Tech was a warm, caring guy, a generous guy, gracious and polite and a very friendly person," said Bill Roth, who dealt with Vick regularly as Virginia Tech's radio play-by-play announcer.

Still, the first seeds of trouble were planted in an interview that Vick did shortly before he was drafted. He talked proudly of his interest in dogs and said he wanted to open his own kennel.

Then there were a few bumps:

_a middle-finger salute to Falcons fans after a 31-13 drubbing by the New Orleans Saints at the Georgia Dome last November.

_airport security's confiscation of a water bottle with a hidden compartment that allegedly reeked of marijuana, an incident that made Vick the butt of jokes on late-night talk shows in January.

_a 2005 lawsuit, ultimately dismissed, by a woman who claimed Vick sought treatment for a sexually transmitted disease under the alias "Ron Mexico" after infecting her.

Embarrassing situations, but Vick escaped them as adroitly as he dodged defenders in becoming the first NFL quarterback to rush for more than 1,000 yards in a season.

He met his match in the U.S. Attorney's office in Richmond, and an indictment that described how Bad Newz Kennels dogs were executed after being beaten in fights, or for not showing enough ferocity in test sessions. In one case, it said Vick was consulted before a beaten dog was wet down and electrocuted.

For details like that, Vick's NFL career could be over.

Dan Shannon, a spokesman for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, said more than a guilty plea and an apology should be demanded if Vick is allowed to play again.
"It's not outside the realm of possibility if he makes a sincere effort not only to own up to what he's done and apologize, but takes steps to try to prevent this thing from happening in the future," he said. "So far, we haven't seen anything indicating that's the road he wants to take."
 
Even lifetime bans sometimes get lifted. Something had to be done both because of the nature of the charges but also the association with gammbling. Sad day really. He had a lot of promise and now we likely will miss what might have been the peak of his career.

which would have been 58% completion %?:p:p:p
 
Out of ALL the stories that have been written during this whole Michael Vick saga, this is by far, the best one I have read, here are a few snippets:

Monday, in a federal courthouse in Richmond, Va., Michael Vick will appear before a U.S. district judge and admit he was guilty of deceit, of depravity, of a multimillionaire's arrogance and of a superstar's ignorance. The question is, will his peers in the NFL as well as those players in the college and high school football pipeline, learn from his spectacular mistakes? Can Vick unintentionally do good by providing such a detailed blueprint of what can happen when you do bad? It wasn't long ago that Michael Vick was on top of the world. Vick is more than a cautionary tale; he's a textbook example of why athletes, even the richest and most celebrated ones, are exactly one galactically stupid decision away from ruin. And yet, they keep making the same errors in judgment, as if they can buy enough Kevlar to make them bulletproof from their own stupidity.


Are you paying attention to this, Reggie Bush and Vince Young? Are you taking notes, JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn? Is this sinking in, Darren McFadden and Brian Brohm? You are part of the NFL's future, just like Vick was part of it, an important part of it, until he couldn't lie his way out of the dogfighting conspiracy charges. Now he's radioactive, the isotope 235 of athletes. Everything he touches dies: endorsements, Arthur Blank's bonus money, dogs.

There is no such thing as bulletproof sports celebrity. Most players understand this. Spend just 15 minutes with LaDainian Tomlinson and you know he understands. The day Tomlinson's name appears on a police blotter is the day I officially give up on athletes. For every Vick, there are 10 Tomlinsons. For every Pacman Jones, there are 10 Deuce McAllisterss and Drew Breeses. For every Tank Johnson, there are 10 Warrick Dunns, Peyton Mannings and Derrick Brookses. And yet Vick, by the sheer brutality of his actions, has managed to perform a solar eclipse of the NFL.

Read the rest, it is an EXCELLENT read!

ESPN - Wojciechowski: Is anybody listening? - Columnist
 
Out of ALL the stories that have been written during this whole Michael Vick saga, this is by far, the best one I have read, here are a few snippets:

Monday, in a federal courthouse in Richmond, Va., Michael Vick will appear before a U.S. district judge and admit he was guilty of deceit, of depravity, of a multimillionaire's arrogance and of a superstar's ignorance. The question is, will his peers in the NFL as well as those players in the college and high school football pipeline, learn from his spectacular mistakes? Can Vick unintentionally do good by providing such a detailed blueprint of what can happen when you do bad? It wasn't long ago that Michael Vick was on top of the world. Vick is more than a cautionary tale; he's a textbook example of why athletes, even the richest and most celebrated ones, are exactly one galactically stupid decision away from ruin. And yet, they keep making the same errors in judgment, as if they can buy enough Kevlar to make them bulletproof from their own stupidity.


Are you paying attention to this, Reggie Bush and Vince Young? Are you taking notes, JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn? Is this sinking in, Darren McFadden and Brian Brohm? You are part of the NFL's future, just like Vick was part of it, an important part of it, until he couldn't lie his way out of the dogfighting conspiracy charges. Now he's radioactive, the isotope 235 of athletes. Everything he touches dies: endorsements, Arthur Blank's bonus money, dogs.

There is no such thing as bulletproof sports celebrity. Most players understand this. Spend just 15 minutes with LaDainian Tomlinson and you know he understands. The day Tomlinson's name appears on a police blotter is the day I officially give up on athletes. For every Vick, there are 10 Tomlinsons. For every Pacman Jones, there are 10 Deuce McAllisterss and Drew Breeses. For every Tank Johnson, there are 10 Warrick Dunns, Peyton Mannings and Derrick Brookses. And yet Vick, by the sheer brutality of his actions, has managed to perform a solar eclipse of the NFL.

Read the rest, it is an EXCELLENT read!

ESPN - Wojciechowski: Is anybody listening? - Columnist
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which would have been 58% completion %?:p:p:p

You are probably still sore about him being the quarterback on the other team when the packers unbeaten playoff streak at Lambeau Field ended. lol.

Seriously I don't know what he might have done. I just think it is sad when anyone wastes their potential.
 
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There may be 10 good for every bad apple, but it's the bad apples that get the most coverage in the media. The newspaper these days reads more like the police blotter then the sports section. Used to be that I read the sports section first in the morning; I wanted to read about man's truimphs before I read about man's failures. Now there doesn't seem to be any difference between the front section and the sports section. Where have our heroe's gone?
 
I just heard that the sentencing is scheduled for Dec.10. The judge in question used to be a prosecutor in Arlington County when i lived there. I was a juror for two cases he prosecuted. He definitely has a reputation for toughness and my memory of him is that he was extremely tenacious. i know that is anecdotal evidence and behavior as a prosecutor might be different than asa judge. Jist throwing it out there.
 
There may be 10 good for every bad apple, but it's the bad apples that get the most coverage in the media. The newspaper these days reads more like the police blotter then the sports section. Used to be that I read the sports section first in the morning; I wanted to read about man's truimphs before I read about man's failures. Now there doesn't seem to be any difference between the front section and the sports section. Where have our heroe's gone?

When I was involved in sports media...this is one of things I hated about it the most. The sports media LOVES a heroes story....they eat it up....but the moment the untouchable hero has a scandal....the frenzy is UGLY! UGLIER than 'normal' news. The sports writer wants to be THE GUY that broke the scandal story. In this situation, Vick brought all this crap on himself.

I remember I was part of the group that use to cover the Bulls in their hey day...and when the whole gambling scandal broke out during the Eastern Conference Finals between the Knicks and the Bulls....you should have seen the reporters in the floor...I swear to GOD, they were litterally salavating to be THE GUY.
 
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