Don't forget Jimmy Key and David Cone too. But the biggest factor has been the dominance of Mariano.
Just think, a guy who pitches one inning at a time every once in a while having such a huge impact on world series titles!!!
Sandra
Yankee's Crying Poor?
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Don't forget Jimmy Key and David Cone too. But the biggest factor has been the dominance of Mariano.
Just think, a guy who pitches one inning at a time every once in a while having such a huge impact on world series titles!!!
Sandra
1) What signing did they make LAST YEAR (since they make one EVERY YEAR) that was way beyond the norm?
2) You CANNOT judge a signing until at least a couple years into it.
Don't forget Jimmy Key and David Cone too. But the biggest factor has been the dominance of Mariano.
Just think, a guy who pitches one inning at a time every once in a while having such a huge impact on world series titles!!!
Sandra
You left out a guy who pitched a number of huge games in the late 90's. El Duque. Without him we wouldn't have won IMHO.
The only ones I can think of that were remotely close were Posada and Rivera, but they were re-signings, not new free agents....
My bad, it was LAST year....2007....Rogers Clemens for like 22 millions in JUNE and did not make his 1st pitch till like almost JULY?! I think he was a .500 pitcher that year with an ERA OVER 4....Maybe winning 7 games....
Missed by a year....but does that ring a bell?
First of all you (as you have been prone to do all along) make grandiose statements and then back off. You have clearly said EVERY YEAR they make a signing beyond the norm. Now you haven't come up with one from last year so right away your statement is FALSE.
Second, the signing they made of the Rocket was prorated for the games he pitched at an annual rate of 22 million, but wasn't for an entire 22 million as you state it - so get your facts correct.
Third, they made a similar deal with him the prior year and it worked out. I say again, hindsight is always 20-20.
Fourth, it it the Yankees money - how they spend it is their business really. They make an attempt every year to put together a team that could go all the way. For that, I am happy to tell you the truth. Just as RedSox fans are happy that they do the same, as well as other teams do it. It shouldn't come as such a shock to you that not all players live up to their contracts - especially ones that suffer injuries - that is a KNOWN inherent risk in deals llike these.
This is all that really matters. The Yankees spend what they spend, and they only have their own fans to answer to. If fans of other teams don't like it...well...in nice words, the Yankees don't really care.
I think it was Leonard Koppett's history of baseball book where I read a quote by a sportswriter from back in the 80's. It was about how big market teams would dominate the sport so much, that small market teams could not survive long term, and the sport will eventually go away because of it.
You know what? The quote was from the 1880's!
The sport survived, most small market teams survived, and have even won a number of championships over the years. If nothing else, the Yankees, and to some extent the Red Sox and Mets as well, have proven you can't buy champhionships every year.
Sandra
Let's se...1st of all, I am soooo sorry I was not EXACTLY PRECISE as to the wording of my opinion.....too bad, everyone knows they Yankees are notorious for paying some players MORE than their worth.
2ndly, the contrat was for approx. 17 million prorated, STILL a dumb contract:
Contract:
signed minor league contract for 2007 season on 5/6/07- + he receives a $28,000,022 salary if added to the major league roster- + he earned $17,690,413 in 2007- + 2006 split salaries: $322,000/$12,632,307 (prorated portion of $22,000,022)- + as part of the deal, he is not required to remain with the team on days where he is not the scheduled starter- + the deal includes a complete NO-TRADE clause- + contract was PURCHASED on 6/4/07, giving him $17,442,637 salary- + as part of his 2006 agreement with the Astros, he will serve a 10-year personal services contract with the Astros upon his retirement- + 2005 salary: $18,000,022
Agent: Randy and Alan Hendricks
MLB4U.com :: Players
3rdly, it SORT OF WORKED because though he had an ERA at 2.30, which is VERY GOOD, he was barely above .500 at 7-6. In 2007, he went 6-6 and a beautiful 4.30 ERA.
4th and finally, YES it is there money and YES they can spend it at their own free will, but this is a forum to discuss at will...whether Yankee fans like it or not.
See there is a difference between some management when it comes expectations. The Yankees organization expects to be in the the World Series every year because they spend the most, the Yankee fans, because they see this, expects the same. NOTHING wrong with that, IF my team did the same, I would expect the same as well.
If I owned a team, and I was going to spill $20M annually for a player, it would be for a position player and not a pitcher. Pitchers are just too fragile. If you are the Yankee's with their revenue, you can afford a few missteps (Parvano comes to mind), and not hurt your wallet, but most teams don't have that luxury. The Tigers are an example of a team that couldn't afford to spend big this off season. we had record - setting attendance last season, but could be looking at a huge drop in attendance this season, (For obvious reasons), thus taking them out of the market for a closer like Kerry Woods.
Yeah right - you posted an outrageous comment and were wrong in your continuing disparagement of the Yankees - it was you that CAPPED the words ALWAYS and EVERY, not me. Stop the excuses, your M.O. is to do this. You also place all (again the meaning of EVERY) their fans in the same bucket (which is absurd as well).
Many teams pay players more than they are worth. Many CEOs make more than they are worth. Teachers make LESS than they are worth - and the list goes on and on.
So? Are you paid what you are worth? And who exactly determines how much a person is worth? You?
See, here is what you're not getting about the money discussion. Yankee fans don't care. We don't care if the Yankees are spending more. We don't even care if people talk about it. We know our team quite possibly overpaid for Sabathia and Burnett, as they've overpaid for players in the past. But we don't care. You can't bid on Johan Santana or Josh Beckett when they're not available. You can only bid on who is out there.
Quite frankly, with all of the money the Yankees make, I would be more annoyed if they did not spend money for players. If fans of other teams don't like the fact that the Yankees pay a lot of money...tough. I guess they don't like all the championships the Yankees have bought this decade.
What Yankee fans will react to, here and elsewhere, is when people make ridiculous statements like you've been making.
Your screaming headline about ALWAYS making a bad signing EVERY YEAR is just false, and will be responded to. As will you declaring Sabathia a bad signing because he's a pitcher, not a field player and doesn't actually spend as much time on the field. That one had to be seen to be believed.
But challenging your false statements doesn't mean we care if people talk about the Yankees spending a lot of money. Two different things.
Sandra
And end up paying a luxury tax to the other owners. Bet it just kills Steinbrenner to do that when the Yankees don't make the playoffs.
And end up paying a luxury tax to the other owners. Bet it just kills Steinbrenner to do that when the Yankees don't make the playoffs.
Not if its ONLY once every 14 years I would think.
See, here is what you're not getting about the money discussion. Yankee fans don't care. We don't care if the Yankees are spending more. We don't even care if people talk about it. We know our team quite possibly overpaid for Sabathia and Burnett, as they've overpaid for players in the past. But we don't care. You can't bid on Johan Santana or Josh Beckett when they're not available. You can only bid on who is out there.
Quite frankly, with all of the money the Yankees make, I would be more annoyed if they did not spend money for players. If fans of other teams don't like the fact that the Yankees pay a lot of money...tough. I guess they don't like all the championships the Yankees have bought this decade.
What Yankee fans will react to, here and elsewhere, is when people make ridiculous statements like you've been making.
Your screaming headline about ALWAYS making a bad signing EVERY YEAR is just false, and will be responded to. As will you declaring Sabathia a bad signing because he's a pitcher, not a field player and doesn't actually spend as much time on the field. That one had to be seen to be believed.
But challenging your false statements doesn't mean we care if people talk about the Yankees spending a lot of money. Two different things.
Sandra
Pretty much sums up how I feel exactly.
I'm just jealous it's not my paycheck really.
And end up paying a luxury tax to the other owners. Bet it just kills Steinbrenner to do that when the Yankees don't make the playoffs.
Well the Steinbrenners have proven it's not about the money. It kills the Steinbrenners to not make the playoff, though, which is why they're still spending. If they have to pay a luxury tax, so be it. That won't stop them from spending.
The thing about the luxury tax is, the intent was for the lightweights to use the money to make their roster more competitive. But some of the owners just put the money in their pocket and don't spend it.
THAT would really annoy me as a fan.
Sandra
And it should. Of course, George probably feels like he's running the bidding up on himself when the other owners are using his luxury tax dollars to bid against him.
Yeah, but uh...no.
First of all, I think we're talking about two different things. I don't think the luxury tax goes directly to other teams. I could be wrong here. I think the low payroll teams receive money from the revenue sharing program, which is different. I forget exactly.
Second of all, there seems to be incentive to teams to keep their payroll low, and receive more money from revenue sharing...as long as they stay above a minimum salary. So teams keep payroll low, receive revenue sharing, pocket the difference, and owners make more money while the team suffers on the field.
Third of all, any team that receives revenue sharing is not using the dollars to bid against the Yankees. The teams that are bidding agains the Yankees do not receive any money from the league. The Red Sox are either near or over the threshold themselves.
When is the last time the Royals outbid the Yankees for a free agent? Or even tried?
Sandra
Oh no, nobody's going to outbid the Yankees. But they can run the bidding up using money from the big-market teams like the Yankees, which might then end up with George paying more in luxury tax to MLB....
When is the last time the Royals outbid the Yankees for a free agent? Or even tried?
Sandra
