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That is what I was wondering. He knows nothing about them, but is yet the most critical poster of them.
So wait just because I don't own one doesn't mean I didn't do my home work on it. It shows how much you don't know me. It takes a very stupid person to buy something like that and don't do your how work.
Judging by the post I read all across the net we have a lot of stupid dtv people.:eek:
 
i disagree with this. i tried one of these hr20's and while it's a little better than my HR21 it's still not at the level of the vip series. If you're like me that had the latest off of the vip series you know that you can throw all the commands you want at it over and over like a maniac and it won't hesitate once.try that with any of the HR series Dvr's and you will have a delayed response on most of those commands.That's just testing it out.The HR series can't handle a normal sequence of commands without some type of delay 70% of the time. everything else on the HR series is great except the response issues.for someone that never had the best they might not notice but for someone who has it's very noticeable. that's my opinion anyway :) and these HR22's appear to be the worst out of the whole series
This is not pointed at you Rey, everyone in general.
Yes, what we all had BEFORE this current model is ALWAYS better. :rolleyes:
 
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So wait just because I don't own one doesn't mean I didn't do my home work on it. It shows how much you don't know me. It takes a very stupid person to buy something like that and don't do your how work.
Judging by the post I read all across the net we have a lot of stupid dtv people.:eek:
Your HW isn't that great then. Of course the HRs are not as good as the VIPs, but they are not as bad as you believe or make them sound. There are also differences between the HR20, HR21, HR22, and HR23 in speed and performance.

BTW, my HR20 kicks ass over every single TiVO I have ever owned. Every TiVo has and had missed recording issues (never missed one recording with my HR20). Every TiVo I have and had has freeze up issues (my HR20 only had a freezeup twice and those occurred during the national freeze up time). Every TiVo I have owned has and had response issues (my HR20 only has the occasional response issue and it mostly occurs when I do CEs).
 
So wait just because I don't own one doesn't mean I didn't do my home work on it. It shows how much you don't know me. It takes a very stupid person to buy something like that and don't do your how work.
Judging by the post I read all across the net we have a lot of stupid dtv people.:eek:

So with out ever using the product , your going to make assumptions about it ?
Thats a pretty BROAD brush your painting on a box that the majority of peopel have no problems with ....

Just because a friend of yours has one that is slow, does NOT mean they all are.
 
Your HW isn't that great then. Of course the HRs are not as good as the VIPs, but they are not as bad as you believe or make them sound. There are also differences between the HR20, HR21, HR22, and HR23 in speed and performance.

BTW, my HR20 kicks ass over every single TiVO I have ever owned. Every TiVo has and had missed recording issues (never missed one recording with my HR20). Every TiVo I have and had has freeze up issues (my HR20 only had a freezeup twice and those occurred during the national freeze up time). Every TiVo I have owned has and had response issues (my HR20 only has the occasional response issue and it mostly occurs when I do CEs).

Dodger, say it isn't so .....
You actually had a TIVO that was not PERFECT ?

WOW, this is the first I have ever heard of such a thing, everyone that has had one talks about how it's NEVER had any issues and was lightyears ahead of what we have now .... say it isn't so ! :eek:
 
Dodger, say it isn't so .....
You actually had a TIVO that was not PERFECT ?

WOW, this is the first I have ever heard of such a thing, everyone that has had one talks about how it's NEVER had any issues and was lightyears ahead of what we have now .... say it isn't so ! :eek:
:D:D i never had one :rant:
 
So with out ever using the product , your going to make assumptions about it ?
Thats a pretty BROAD brush your painting on a box that the majority of peopel have no problems with ....

Just because a friend of yours has one that is slow, does NOT mean they all are.
How am I making assumptions because I don't own one but have seen and used them. Lets not forget I bet thousand of post maybe more even across the net that all complaining about them being slow. But it just my friend and I making assumptions. :eek:
Nice philosophy I have to remember that one.
 
i disagree with this. i tried one of these hr20's and while it's a little better than my HR21 it's still not at the level of the vip series. If you're like me that had the latest off of the vip series you know that you can throw all the commands you want at it over and over like a maniac and it won't hesitate once.try that with any of the HR series Dvr's and you will have a delayed response on most of those commands.That's just testing it out.The HR series can't handle a normal sequence of commands without some type of delay 70% of the time. everything else on the HR series is great except the response issues.for someone that never had the best they might not notice but for someone who has it's very noticeable. that's my opinion anyway :) and these HR22's appear to be the worst out of the whole series
I think we agree.
I actually said it is not as fast as the vip series.
I just do not think it is a HUGE difference, but a difference none the less. At least based on my own experiences with both. :p
 
I think we agree.
I actually said it is not as fast as the vip series.
I just do not think it is a HUGE difference, but a difference none the less. At least based on my own experiences with both. :p
man will we ever disagree? :D:D
 
How am I making assumptions because I don't own one but have seen and used them. Lets not forget I bet thousand of post maybe more even across the net that all complaining about them being slow. But it just my friend and I making assumptions. :eek:
Nice philosophy I have to remember that one.

Yes but the millions that don't have problems DON'T POST.
 
For those with slowness I recommend doing a Reset Everything in Reset in System Info.You will lose all recordings,favorites lists ect..Also recommend not recording so many programs that it makes your DVR slow down.I normally record, watch,then delete.
 
Did that

I have done everything, Change the negative and did a complete delete . I only keep about 90% on the drive. It is still slow. I may start sending it back once a week to Directv tell i get a HR20 0r a HR21 black.:D
 
I have done everything, Change the negative and did a complete delete . I only keep about 90% on the drive. It is still slow. I may start sending it back once a week to Directv tell i get a HR20 0r a HR21 black.:D
Watch out they may start trashing you. Just cause you have one does nean you know how to use it.
God forbid someone should speak the truth about a piece of junk IRD.
Did a quick search for worst satellite receiver and I wasn't surprised in what I found.

Not worth it....
unless it works Author's Rating:     3/5 stars Pros: Look, service, Storage amount Cons: Quality Author's Review All have died due to poor quality, or other problems (none of which include poor wiring or electrical storms). I guess the nice thing has to be the service, each time it goes out it is replaced within a day, and one of their employees personally drops it off at my house. Since they work 6 days a week, I have been impressed by Directv's service. The the other nice thing has to be the storage amount. Compared to my old Tivo, this one holds over 4 times as much for the price I was paying each month. Overall, I think it is a decent replacement for a Tivo if you have had issues with it, but if your demands are not met to your standards, I wouldn't recommend it

Works fine for live tv...but not for viewing recordings

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Pros: Great HD picture on Samsung Plasma 63" for Live Programming. Couple cool new remote features.
Cons: Hardware FREEZE frames so often, it renders any non-live programs unwatchable.
Not ready for prime time

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Pros: Decent video/audio quality, ample connections, reasonable remote.
Cons: Buggy software, freezes, sluggish, unfriendly interface, requires frequent resets. No OTA HD channels.


13 Reasons Not to Choose DirecTV

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Pros: Terrific picture.
Cons: Missed appointments, shoddy equipment, snippy representatives, hidden charges, etc.
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If you're looking for a quality product (or even an average one), keep looking; DirecTV is quite possibly the worst satellite/cable provider on the planet. Read More


Looks nice....but never works right!

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Pros: Modern Design, DVR, HD
Cons: Does not function correctly, requires resetting the power cycle often.
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Although the picture and sound quality are superb, I can not recommend it because it just does not function properly for more than a day. Read More


I guess they all don't know what they are talking about.
 
For those with slowness I recommend doing a Reset Everything in Reset in System Info.You will lose all recordings,favorites lists ect..Also recommend not recording so many programs that it makes your DVR slow down.I normally record, watch,then delete.

when you do things like this just to make it work as it should,it automatically makes it an inferior product.we shouldn't have to walk on egg shells just to have these dvr's work properly. i find it the slowest while it's recording. imo doing these resets slows things down even more. now the guide has to repopulate and so on.
 
Watch out they may start trashing you. Just cause you have one does nean you know how to use it.
God forbid someone should speak the truth about a piece of junk IRD.
Did a quick search for worst satellite receiver and I wasn't surprised in what I found.

Not worth it....
unless it works Author's Rating:     3/5 stars Pros: Look, service, Storage amount Cons: Quality Author's Review All have died due to poor quality, or other problems (none of which include poor wiring or electrical storms). I guess the nice thing has to be the service, each time it goes out it is replaced within a day, and one of their employees personally drops it off at my house. Since they work 6 days a week, I have been impressed by Directv's service. The the other nice thing has to be the storage amount. Compared to my old Tivo, this one holds over 4 times as much for the price I was paying each month. Overall, I think it is a decent replacement for a Tivo if you have had issues with it, but if your demands are not met to your standards, I wouldn't recommend it

Works fine for live tv...but not for viewing recordings

Author's Rating:
dtr_stars_sm_2.gif
Pros: Great HD picture on Samsung Plasma 63" for Live Programming. Couple cool new remote features.
Cons: Hardware FREEZE frames so often, it renders any non-live programs unwatchable.
Not ready for prime time

Author's Rating:
dtr_stars_sm_2.gif
Pros: Decent video/audio quality, ample connections, reasonable remote.
Cons: Buggy software, freezes, sluggish, unfriendly interface, requires frequent resets. No OTA HD channels.


13 Reasons Not to Choose DirecTV

Author's Rating:
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Pros: Terrific picture.
Cons: Missed appointments, shoddy equipment, snippy representatives, hidden charges, etc.
Bottom Line:
If you're looking for a quality product (or even an average one), keep looking; DirecTV is quite possibly the worst satellite/cable provider on the planet. Read More


Looks nice....but never works right!

Author's Rating:
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Pros: Modern Design, DVR, HD
Cons: Does not function correctly, requires resetting the power cycle often.
Bottom Line:
Although the picture and sound quality are superb, I can not recommend it because it just does not function properly for more than a day. Read More


I guess they all don't know what they are talking about.
1st, i don't see who's trashing who here and 2nd, i agree on some of the reviews on the hardware but that's it. negative reviews like missed appointments,snippy representatives and hidden charges are practiced by all cable and satellite providers. this review seems to be based more on emotions than actual facts. my best experience so far has been with D*. had E* for 10 years and had cable for who knows how long. they all practice what is posted above.so what? you and i can't fix it. right? i will tell you that as a current dish customer i can get a way better deal with E* on equipment upgrades than what i can with D*. E*'s hardware is superior to D*'s. but i get the programming i want with D* I'm treated much better with D* than what i ever was with E*.the point is pick the provider that makes you the happiest.

as far as expressing yourself here in the D* forums even if it's something negative about directv it's your right.it's how you feel and i don't see the harm in that.but let's be fair here.if you post something negative in the E* forums about the provider or their equipment you will be eaten alive as well. you think i'm full of it? try something a few of the trolls on this site do. sign up under a new user name and post something negative in the Dish forum and you'll see. the mods will know it's you but no one else will. the few trolls that try this here on this site think they're fooling many but they really aren't.especially the mods. so post what you feel here in the D* forums. i for one will respect you and anyone else for it! :)
 
1st, i don't see who's trashing who here and 2nd, i agree on some of the reviews on the hardware but that's it. negative reviews like missed appointments,snippy representatives and hidden charges are practiced by all cable and satellite providers. this review seems to be based more on emotions than actual facts. my best experience so far has been with D*. had E* for 10 years and had cable for who knows how long. they all practice what is posted above.so what? you and i can't fix it. right? i will tell you that as a current dish customer i can get a way better deal with E* on equipment upgrades than what i can with D*. E*'s hardware is superior to D*'s. but i get the programming i want with D* I'm treated much better with D* than what i ever was with E*.the point is pick the provider that makes you the happiest.

as far as expressing yourself here in the D* forums even if it's something negative about directv it's your right.it's how you feel and i don't see the harm in that.but let's be fair here.if you post something negative in the E* forums about the provider or their equipment you will be eaten alive as well. you think i'm full of it? try something a few of the trolls on this site do. sign up under a new user name and post something negative in the Dish forum and you'll see. the mods will know it's you but no one else will. the few trolls that try this here on this site think they're fooling many but they really aren't.especially the mods. so post what you feel here in the D* forums. i for one will respect you and anyone else for it! :)

Great post homer:up
 
Yes but the millions that don't have problems DON'T POST.
Theres Millions that don't post that do have problems as well.
Remember Satellite guys,DBSTalk,and AVS forums don't have millions of members. If they have 1 million I'd be surprised if 25% of them are Directv customers I'd be even more surprised.
HR 20 is the best of D* HD DVRs. But it took 3 years to get this way, And still short on performance.
 
Yes but the millions that don't have problems DON'T POST.


But i bet most people just don't know any better... I mean some of my friends have cable andthe DVR is the SA 8300-DVR and many call it the atari 2600 of DVRs for a reason! BUT millions of people have them.

I have two HR21-100's and they are SLOW, glitchy BUT I will say PQ is great. and I don't have too many shows that don't record.

This Friday I'm getting two ViP722k's and switching to E* due to a few reasons.
 
I think a lot of it has to do with the way that you use the dvr. Many of the people who claim to have no problems with the HR series have a pretty light usage model compared to how I use it.

That having been said, there are obviously issues with it. Every new release has a dozen or more bug fixes, along with the mysterious 'under the hood' that may represent another dozen or two fixes. I've personally experienced a large number of issues over the past 15 months with them, and when I've called Directv they've acknowledged these as known issues with the product. Over time and software releases, the problems come and go so its obviously not something wrong with my box.

I've owned a bunch of tivo's and a bunch of directv products. Prior to the DVR release, the directv products were solid as a rock. I must have owned about 10 receivers and never had a single problem with any of them, even ones that were in service for 6-7 years. Reliable and pretty speedy.

I've owned just about every model of tivo as well. Aside from very early initial problems with a few that turned out to be bad hard drives right out of the box, I've had very little trouble with them. I have a pair of series 1 units that are about 9 years old. I've replaced the hard drives in them with bigger ones, put quieter/faster fans in them, but they're mostly original. Response times are very good, although they're doing much less. My experience with the directivo boxes were that they were pretty slow, but they were doing a lot more. The tivo HD's are much faster than my HR20-100's in almost every way and the remote control response time is superior.

I've never really experienced any recording reliability issues with any tivos except the directivo's, and I was able to track that down to problems in the directv guide data stream. For units like the series 1 and tivo hd that take guide data directly from tivo? Maybe a handful of shows over almost a decade didnt record right. I've missed a good 35-40 shows (and thats just the ones I noticed) with the HR20-100's in just a little over a year. Frankly, I dont rely on it to successfully record my tv shows at a rate better than 95%.

Certainly more problems than most, but most people who own dvr's record 5-10 shows a week and watch most of their tv live. The box has never been plugged into a network connection. No esata. Not really heavy tv watchers.

I record around 400-450 shows per week. About 70-80% of those are cyclical recordings of childrens shows because the directv box has a pointless and quite useless implementation of "save until I delete". Both tuners are at it at the same time for quite a good piece of the day. My wife uses directv2pc quite a bit. Both boxes are on the network and do plenty of VOD. Both have big esata drives. Not quite the same usage model as the "average" user who "has no problems", or at least doesnt bother to report them if they do.

I also think theres a good range of varying tolerance between models and within models due to component variance and component tolerance. While directv and their proxies try very hard to assure everyone that all of their receivers are pretty much the same, they're not. Not even close. They use very different internal connections, some with tuners soldered into the motherboard and some on daughtercards plugged into slots. They use different cpu's and decoder chips. Different memory. I'm pretty sure the linux kernel in the HR20's is a different version from the other models. In fact, other than that they all use the same user interface and all perform the same functions, theres an awful lot of difference in the boxes and they SHOULD perform differently.

Within the same model, many different disk drives have been used. I see a number of different revisions and version levels of various components in the box, even within the same exact model number.

So in short, its quite unsurprising that many people using many different boxes implemented in many different ways and utilized quite differently with very different expectations of reliability and performance would find their experience to be different from anothers.

Whats surprising is that anyone would think that their experiences are the most common or most likely, or that few people experience problems, based on what is or isnt posted on an enthusiast internet forum.

As an analogy, most people use Windows. Most people have problems with Windows. Few people line up day in and day out to complain about each and every problem they have every day. They just reboot or close the program and run it again.

All that understood, its obvious that someone who journals their issues isnt the only one with the issues, nor that their experience is the norm. Its similarly certain that the lack of continuous broad based complaining is equally meaningless.

In places where product reviews are consolidated, its pretty common for the directv hr2x series dvr's to have a pretty piss poor rating. "Why, thats because only people with problems write reviews!" is the common explanation. Which is immediately belied by the millions of products with favorable overall reviews. If only people with problems wrote reviews, every product would have an overall one or two star rating.

They say that the first step to solving a problem is admitting that you have one... ;)
 
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