He'll go late in the first to a team who thinks he's going to get taken early in the 2nd IMO, and if he's still available after the first day someone will trade to nearly the top of the 2nd to take him.
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Top of the 2nd is to high for him. I would not start to think about touching him until at least the 3rd round if not later. The big question is how many teams are out looking for a QB right now. There are only a hand full that I can think of that would be willing to use a high pick for a QB at the moment.
It is, but he'll get taken because people will jump the gun and not let him fall to where he's expected to.
ARE YOU READY FOR THE BIG SHOW?! April 22nd, 2010. The day the Browns ship has been righted! In Holmgren I trust!
Ok, time to get this over with.
I can't wait! I hate the prime-time thing, but I love the draft!!!
PFT picking Clausen to the Raiders, hah, ending the era of Jamarcus in Oakland.
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I am very encouraged by what the new regime had done last year at the draft. We did find 4 starters. One could argue that the team was so bad that anybody they drafted would have started, but I prefer to look at this way - There are only two players that Millen drafted that are starting on this team. So last year was a huge step in the right direction. Still it was only one draft, and maybe they got lucky. I see the number 2 pick tonight as fool proof, now if the MILLEN ERROR was still ongoing, I would see a WR in our future. Damn that man was such an idiot.
You'd think Shanahan was some kind of evil plague with the way Denver has dumped some of the picks from their best draft in decades (Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Dumervil all from the same draft)
Lions are reportedly interested in McFadden if he's really available.
Lions are reportedly interested in McFadden if he's really available.
Not feeling the NFL draft
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Tim Couch, Courtney Brown and Gerard Warren were drafted by Cleveland between 1999 and 2002. All fans, not just Browns fans, need to reserve judgment on the NFL draft until the players actually play.
Last April, after I clicked off two bloated days of the NFL draft, my wife looked up from her book and said, "Who won?"
There are many, many reasons to be a draft dodger, but the best one is in that question: At the end of it, nobody wins.
It's like reading a novel with the last chapter torn out, watching a movie with no third act, falling in love after the first kiss but before you've tried her spaghetti.
It's like "The Sopranos." Entertaining, but the ending sucked. Me, I like endings, winners, losers, results. So let's get some results, shall we?
Let's look at the drafts from 1997 to 2007. (2007, you'll recall, was 20 years after Brett Favre first started considering retirement.) Here's how many Pro Bowl years those draft picks have had since:
* Indianapolis Colts 37
* Pittsburgh Steelers 35
* Dallas Cowboys 34
* Seattle Seahawks 31
* Philadelphia Eagles 27
* Chicago Bears 26
* Minnesota Vikings 26
* Baltimore Ravens 25
* New England Patriots 24
* Washington Redskins 23
* Green Bay Packers 23
* San Diego Chargers 22
* Arizona Cardinals 22
* Carolina Panthers 20
* New York Jets 19
* Denver Broncos 19
* St. Louis Rams 19
* Atlanta Falcons 19
* Kansas City Chiefs 18
* Cincinnati Bengals 18
* San Francisco 49ers 18
* New York Giants 18
* Oakland Raiders 16
* Miami Dolphins 15
* Tennessee Titans 14
* New Orleans Saints 13
* Tampa Bay Buccaneers 12
* Buffalo Bills 10
* Houston Texans 10
* Jacksonville Jaguars 9
* Cleveland Browns 7
* Detroit Lions 4
What slaps you across the face is that the Indianapolis Colts used the draft to climb out of their spider hole of the 1980s and 1990s to become a gorilla in the AFC, and not just with Peyton Manning (10 Pro Bowls). DE Dwight Freeney (5), RB Edgerrin James (4) and WR Reggie Wayne (4) were genius picks, too.
What slaps you harder is that the Cleveland Browns could've done the same thing, but they screwed the Chihuahua. Their run of No. 1 picks from 1999 to 2002 is the single worst stretch of drafting since the Iraqi Republican Guard. Were they using an Ouija board?
1999 -- Tim Couch, QB: first pick of the draft, 0 Pro Bowls, out of the league after five seasons. But hey, he married a Playboy Playmate. Bust marries bust.
2000 -- Courtney Brown, DE: first pick of the draft, 0 Pro Bowls, didn't marry Playmate.
2001 -- Gerard Warren, DL: third pick of the draft, 0 Pro Bowls. And they passed up LaDainian Tomlinson!
2002 -- William Green, RB: 16th pick of the draft, 0 Pro Bowls. Now your server at Applebee's.
The Oakland Raiders are not last on this list, but I don't see how. Between 1997 and 2007, Al Davis had 14 very high picks and got only three first team All-Pro seasons out of them. He could've done better using a blindfolded chicken. Or even Matt Millen.
What really bugs me is how smug all these people will be about every pick. They're always grinning and puffing out their chests and spouting stuff like, "Look, we knew we had to move up and steal a 10-year starter in this league. This ain't our first rodeo."
I like to clip and save these quotes for years later, when the final score is finally in.
The whole NFL draft is this wonderful 77-float parade that goes past the first judge's stand and right off a cliff. We never hear the other shoe drop.
Here's a sample:
• "I think the consensus of opinion is that two guys like [Manning and Ryan Leaf] don't come along very often. If we're going to be successful in getting that type of quarterback, we're going to have to give up something, and we really did." -- San Diego Chargers general manager Bobby Beathard in 1998 after taking Leaf with the second overall choice. He was right about giving something up. He gave up his job two years later, in 2000, the same year Leaf was let go.
• "We just didn't think it was worth it." -- New York Giants GM Ernie Accorsi, in 2000, on not trading up to get RB Jamal Lewis (who is one of only six backs to rush for more than 2,000 yards in a season) and instead picking RB Ron Dayne, who was riding pine within months.
• "This may be one of the best picks we've ever made." -- Giants coach Jim Fassel, on Dayne, same day.
• "I think we made a great pick. To be a championship team, you need playmakers on both sides of the ball and we can do that with Courtney." -- Couch, on draft day 2000, talking about Courtney Brown. Takes a playmaker to know one.
The whole NFL draft is this wonderful 77-float parade that goes past the first judge's stand and right off a cliff. We never hear the other shoe drop.
If the draft really is worth all the hype and hair and, this year, red carpets (oy!), we should at least have a little follow-through. Here's my simple proposal: On the sleeve of every jersey, instead of the player's number, put the player's draft order number. For instance, Tom Brady would wear 199. Roger Staubach would've worn 129. Joe Montana: 82.
And then you could look over at the bench and see all the 1s and 7s and 13s, doing nothing except hogging the heater space.
The NFL draft comes off as though the story ends after the last pick, as though the movie ends the moment Dorothy's house lands on the witch; put on your coat, the movie is over, THE END.
What it really is, of course, is THE START.
Unless you're Cleveland.
Rick Reilly: Not feeling the NFL draft - ESPN
Reilly By Rick Reilly
ESPN.com
Archive
Tim Couch, Courtney Brown and Gerard Warren were drafted by Cleveland between 1999 and 2002. All fans, not just Browns fans, need to reserve judgment on the NFL draft until the players actually play.
Last April, after I clicked off two bloated days of the NFL draft, my wife looked up from her book and said, "Who won?"
There are many, many reasons to be a draft dodger, but the best one is in that question: At the end of it, nobody wins.
It's like reading a novel with the last chapter torn out, watching a movie with no third act, falling in love after the first kiss but before you've tried her spaghetti.
It's like "The Sopranos." Entertaining, but the ending sucked. Me, I like endings, winners, losers, results. So let's get some results, shall we?
Let's look at the drafts from 1997 to 2007. (2007, you'll recall, was 20 years after Brett Favre first started considering retirement.) Here's how many Pro Bowl years those draft picks have had since:
* Indianapolis Colts 37
* Pittsburgh Steelers 35
* Dallas Cowboys 34
* Seattle Seahawks 31
* Philadelphia Eagles 27
* Chicago Bears 26
* Minnesota Vikings 26
* Baltimore Ravens 25
* New England Patriots 24
* Washington Redskins 23
* Green Bay Packers 23
* San Diego Chargers 22
* Arizona Cardinals 22
* Carolina Panthers 20
* New York Jets 19
* Denver Broncos 19
* St. Louis Rams 19
* Atlanta Falcons 19
* Kansas City Chiefs 18
* Cincinnati Bengals 18
* San Francisco 49ers 18
* New York Giants 18
* Oakland Raiders 16
* Miami Dolphins 15
* Tennessee Titans 14
* New Orleans Saints 13
* Tampa Bay Buccaneers 12
* Buffalo Bills 10
* Houston Texans 10
* Jacksonville Jaguars 9
* Cleveland Browns 7
* Detroit Lions 4
What slaps you across the face is that the Indianapolis Colts used the draft to climb out of their spider hole of the 1980s and 1990s to become a gorilla in the AFC, and not just with Peyton Manning (10 Pro Bowls). DE Dwight Freeney (5), RB Edgerrin James (4) and WR Reggie Wayne (4) were genius picks, too.
What slaps you harder is that the Cleveland Browns could've done the same thing, but they screwed the Chihuahua. Their run of No. 1 picks from 1999 to 2002 is the single worst stretch of drafting since the Iraqi Republican Guard. Were they using an Ouija board?
1999 -- Tim Couch, QB: first pick of the draft, 0 Pro Bowls, out of the league after five seasons. But hey, he married a Playboy Playmate. Bust marries bust.
2000 -- Courtney Brown, DE: first pick of the draft, 0 Pro Bowls, didn't marry Playmate.
2001 -- Gerard Warren, DL: third pick of the draft, 0 Pro Bowls. And they passed up LaDainian Tomlinson!
2002 -- William Green, RB: 16th pick of the draft, 0 Pro Bowls. Now your server at Applebee's.
The Oakland Raiders are not last on this list, but I don't see how. Between 1997 and 2007, Al Davis had 14 very high picks and got only three first team All-Pro seasons out of them. He could've done better using a blindfolded chicken. Or even Matt Millen.
What really bugs me is how smug all these people will be about every pick. They're always grinning and puffing out their chests and spouting stuff like, "Look, we knew we had to move up and steal a 10-year starter in this league. This ain't our first rodeo."
I like to clip and save these quotes for years later, when the final score is finally in.
The whole NFL draft is this wonderful 77-float parade that goes past the first judge's stand and right off a cliff. We never hear the other shoe drop.
Here's a sample:
• "I think the consensus of opinion is that two guys like [Manning and Ryan Leaf] don't come along very often. If we're going to be successful in getting that type of quarterback, we're going to have to give up something, and we really did." -- San Diego Chargers general manager Bobby Beathard in 1998 after taking Leaf with the second overall choice. He was right about giving something up. He gave up his job two years later, in 2000, the same year Leaf was let go.
• "We just didn't think it was worth it." -- New York Giants GM Ernie Accorsi, in 2000, on not trading up to get RB Jamal Lewis (who is one of only six backs to rush for more than 2,000 yards in a season) and instead picking RB Ron Dayne, who was riding pine within months.
• "This may be one of the best picks we've ever made." -- Giants coach Jim Fassel, on Dayne, same day.
• "I think we made a great pick. To be a championship team, you need playmakers on both sides of the ball and we can do that with Courtney." -- Couch, on draft day 2000, talking about Courtney Brown. Takes a playmaker to know one.
The whole NFL draft is this wonderful 77-float parade that goes past the first judge's stand and right off a cliff. We never hear the other shoe drop.
If the draft really is worth all the hype and hair and, this year, red carpets (oy!), we should at least have a little follow-through. Here's my simple proposal: On the sleeve of every jersey, instead of the player's number, put the player's draft order number. For instance, Tom Brady would wear 199. Roger Staubach would've worn 129. Joe Montana: 82.
And then you could look over at the bench and see all the 1s and 7s and 13s, doing nothing except hogging the heater space.
The NFL draft comes off as though the story ends after the last pick, as though the movie ends the moment Dorothy's house lands on the witch; put on your coat, the movie is over, THE END.
What it really is, of course, is THE START.
Unless you're Cleveland.
Technically he is, he's not under contract though as he's still not signed his tender I don't think. I listed the outstanding people of that draft though, not the people they've dumped, was just poorly worded.
Cry more, how many losses before you disappear from this forum again after a bunch of tough talk like last season?yaz96 said:
Browns | Plan to call St. Louis Rams one more time about top pick
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Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:22:27 -0400
Cleveland Browns president Mike Holmgren told ESPN's Michael Smith that the Browns will call the St. Louis Rams one more time about the possibility of acquiring the first overall draft choice, reports ESPN.com. The Browns are willing to part with most of their picks in the 2010 NFL Draft and may be willing to trade one or more picks in the 2011 NFL Draft. Holmgren said he does not expect the two sides to come to an agreement because he believes the Rams need a quarterback.
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Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:22:27 -0400
Cleveland Browns president Mike Holmgren told ESPN's Michael Smith that the Browns will call the St. Louis Rams one more time about the possibility of acquiring the first overall draft choice, reports ESPN.com. The Browns are willing to part with most of their picks in the 2010 NFL Draft and may be willing to trade one or more picks in the 2011 NFL Draft. Holmgren said he does not expect the two sides to come to an agreement because he believes the Rams need a quarterback.
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