2011-12 NFL Season

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Interesting...according to ESPN's John Clayton, the 2013 2nd round pick becomes a #1 only if the Raiders play in the AFC championship game. IF the Raiders do make it to the AFC championship game...it was well worth it.
 
LMAO! At no point did I say it was a bad idea, at no point did I say that HGH testing is a bad idea and I never said it should be not be implemented. I just feel that it should not be started till all "i" are dotted, all "t" crossed and there a procedure in place.

Thats my humble opinion.......Next time just "agree to disagree" and move on dude....geez.

The taking of blood is a result of the agreement with the meeting with Congress:

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said collection of blood samples will likely begin within the next two weeks."That was the chairman's instructions," Goodell said. "Everybody around the table agreed."


After a meeting on Capitol Hill, the NFL will start collecting blood samples for HGH testing - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

Now that the NFL has put a date to the above... NFLPA says 'oh wait...'

I'd suggest taking your own advice, I merely elaborated on my point. I completely understand backing away from the absurd analogy though and not basing your disagreement on any point of fact though, so agree to disagree.
 
NFC
1. Packers
2. 49ers
3. Buccaneers
4. Giants
5. Lions (WC)
6. Saints (WC)

AFC
1. Patriots
2. Ravens
3. Chargers
4. Titans
5. Bengals (WC)
6. Bills (WC)


When all is said and done, I think the Niners have a pretty good shot at one of the coveted first round byes. To put it bluntly...their division sucks, the NFC East winner will probably max out at 10 wins, and the NFC South is one of the toughest divisions in football. Also, the Niners are a good football team this year (something the NFC West hasn't seen in years).
 
The taking of blood is a result of the agreement with the meeting with Congress:



After a meeting on Capitol Hill, the NFL will start collecting blood samples for HGH testing - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

Now that the NFL has put a date to the above... NFLPA says 'oh wait...'[/FONT][/COLOR]
I'd suggest taking your own advice, I merely elaborated on my point. I completely understand backing away from the absurd analogy though and not basing your disagreement on any point of fact though, so agree to disagree.

LOL...I have taken and moved along. Thank you for calling my analogy, which is part of my opinion absurd.;) I will take that into consideration next time.

I just think that with the simple fact that is was agreed upon, that should start getting into the pysche of players. As Sandra said, the Olympic committe uses it, but for everything that I have read...they did not implement till everything was set and in place.
 
When all is said and done, I think the Niners have a pretty good shot at one of the coveted first round byes. To put it bluntly...their division sucks, the NFC East winner will probably max out at 10 wins, and the NFC South is one of the toughest divisions in football. Also, the Niners are a good football team this year (something the NFC West hasn't seen in years).

Hey Bill, what do you think of the HUGE gamble the Raiders took?
 
LOL...I have taken and moved along. Thank you for calling my analogy, which is part of my opinion absurd.;) I will take that into consideration next time.

I just think that with the simple fact that is was agreed upon, that should start getting into the pysche of players. As Sandra said, the Olympic committe uses it, but for everything that I have read...they did not implement till everything was set and in place.

If you don't want your opinion to be judged, rebutted or discussed you may want to rethink this whole 'posting on message board' thing... or perhaps start a blog.
 
If you don't want your opinion to be judged, rebutted or discussed you may want to rethink this whole 'posting on message board' thing... or perhaps start a blog.

Dude....It does not matter to me whether my opinion is judged, liked or rebutted. If you feel you must do that, I encourage you to go ahead. I want people to know WHY I say what I say. The problem is, because it is not to most people's liking...it becomes a vortex..LOL! I ASK people why they feel a certain way about things because I want to know WHY....'just because' is not good enough reason for anything....and there is way too much about that in here.

Yes...I am that guy keeps asking "why?" There is nothing wrong with wanting to know more and learn more.
 
Olympic-style testing is now all set. All the NFLPA has to do is agree to the same type of testing as the Olympics.

They haven't.


Sandra

Because...."The other aspects on what to do with the tests will be resolved over the next many weeks."

Like I said, I want everything inplace before I agree to it. Let me use a different analogy, would anyone agree to signoff on the closing of a house if the inpsection was not complete? No. Same thing. They have agreed in principle to do. Now let's complete the entire process to get it started.

IF you do not agree that you would like everything in order, confirmed and completed, solid plan laid out....then we agree to disagree.
 
Because...."The other aspects on what to do with the tests will be resolved over the next many weeks."

Like I said, I want everything inplace before I agree to it. Let me use a different analogy, would anyone agree to signoff on the closing of a house if the inpsection was not complete? No. Same thing. They have agreed in principle to do. Now let's complete the entire process to get it started.

IF you do not agree that you would like everything in order, confirmed and completed, solid plan laid out....then we agree to disagree.

Semantics. The Olympic model of testing works. The NFL players are balking at the Olympic model.


Sandra
 
Hey Bill, what do you think of the HUGE gamble the Raiders took?

This is what I posted here yesterday:

Of course it's a HUGE gamble for the Silver and Black, but they feel they can win NOW.


No doubt the Raiders overpaid, but did they really have a choice? I don't think so.

Now, if they were in the Suck for Luck sweepskates, I'd say they were crazy for doing this.. But not only are they not, they are also very much in the playoff picture......something they wouldn't be if they remained status quo.
 
This is what I posted here yesterday:

No doubt the Raiders overpaid, but did they really have a choice? I don't think so.

Now, if they were in the Suck for Luck sweepskates, I'd say they were crazy for doing this.. But not only are they not, they are also very much in the playoff picture......something they wouldn't be if they remained status quo.

Now, let's say for the sake of argument...it the end of the year, and the Raiders just miss the playoffs and they HAVE the picks to make a major deal, would you consider it also too much if the gave 2 #1s for Andrew Luck..a completely unproven player at the NFL level?

Humor me.... LOL!:D
 
Now, let's say for the sake of argument...it the end of the year, and the Raiders just miss the playoffs and they HAVE the picks to make a major deal, would you consider it also too much if the gave 2 #1s for Andrew Luck..a completely unproven player at the NFL level?

Humor me.... LOL!:D

It was a GREAT deal. :D
 
Now, let's say for the sake of argument...it the end of the year, and the Raiders just miss the playoffs and they HAVE the picks to make a major deal, would you consider it also too much if the gave 2 #1s for Andrew Luck..a completely unproven player at the NFL level?

Humor me.... LOL!:D

Hypothetically speaking, absolutely not!

From what I've been hearing, Luck has the POTENTIAL to be a generational talent playing by far the most important position on the field. :)
 
BillD1984 said:
Hypothetically speaking, absolutely not!

From what I've been hearing, Luck has the POTENTIAL to be a generational talent playing by far the most important position on the field. :)

So your saying, go with unproven, younger player than the established possible yet older player....? Ok...
 
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