It costs too much to be COZI

[KJ6EO]

Well ... after fooling around trying to find a skew "sweet spot" to get COZI and retain all my other channels, I've given up! It just costs too much to be COZI. During the day I only have to skew the FLNB an additional +5 degrees. After sunset though, that skew has to be increased to an additional +15 degrees. Even at +5 I loose
OETA, PBJ, and any other channels that are normally in the 25% signal range. At +15 degrees skew, the channels that are normally 75% signal strength are down to 25% and I get allot of break up. COZI is nice but I've decided to give up on it. PBJ TV plays allot of classic TV so I've decided to watch them when I have a need to see some of the old stuff. With the FLNB at +15 degrees skew, it does lock in very nicely on COZI though!

 

[FaT Air]

Yeah, That 20-25° 'mis' skew is a bugger. Many have opted for a fixed dish, or a second LNBF on a motorized dish for 103W

 

[Anole]

What receiver, dish 'n LNBF are you using?

How far outside the Los Angeles OTA coverage are you?
COZI is available OTA in LA.

edit: well, I thought it was earlier. I will check again tomorrow.

 

[Mr Tony]

separate fixed dish....problem solved

 

[Lone Gunman]

Isn't 103w suppose to be replaced some time in the near future? I'd hate to setup a dedicated dish for that then not need it after the sats are switched.

 

[primestar31]

It has a hot spare sitting right there with it for about 8 months now.... I personally hope that sat croaks permanently, because I want it swapped out with the new one.

 

[Kraven]

It has a hot spare sitting right there with it for about 8 months now.... I personally hope that sat croaks permanently, because I want it swapped out with the new one.

Maybe Bob can open the shuttle door on his way to Mars and knock that SOB into proper allignment.

 

[Lone Gunman]

Maybe Bob can open the shuttle door on his way to Mars and knock that SOB into proper allignment.

Humm, proper alignment? Dunno about that as there are a couple of TPs on that satellite that have standard skew, ie, Huntington Beach comes to mind. IMHO they are probably doing the offset skew stuff on purpose, which begs the question of, will the skew go to "normal" settings if/when the new sat goes into service?

 

[phlatwound]

The way I understand it I don't think any of the tps are skewed differently than the others, they are all "off". Some just have higher power and that overcomes the non-standard skew.

And I seem to remember some info that when a new sat goes active in that location everything will be skewed properly.

 

[Kraven]

The way I understand it I don't think any of the tps are skewed differently than the others, they are all "off". Some just have higher power and that overcomes the non-standard skew.

And I seem to remember some info that when a new sat goes active in that location everything will be skewed properly.

So someone put a beach cam feed on a high powered trans?

 

[wallyhts]

COZI is ok but I don't think it warrants a fixed dish install just for COZI however I sure do like the NBC feeds.

 

[phlatwound]

So someone put a beach cam feed on a high powered trans?

It sure seems that way, I get the beachcams easily with a motorized 90cm, with my LNBF at 0 skew at apex (standard), whereas COZI is right on the edge, and usually unwatchable.

Don't know if you knew this but that feed is piped into, and displayed in the Hollister clothing stores, so I guess they are paying the tab for it.

 

[lost_mesa]

The way I understand it I don't think any of the tps are skewed differently than the others, they are all "off". Some just have higher power and that overcomes the non-standard skew.

And I seem to remember some info that when a new sat goes active in that location everything will be skewed properly.

That is my understanding also. I remember that the previous Ku band satellite at this position, Gstar 1, also had the same offset skew. It was apparently done in an attempt to reduce rain fade, but was not found to be helpful.

If you don't have the skew set properly, a strong signal on the same frequency but opposite polarity will interfere, making the desired signal harder to receive. So it is not only how strong a signal is, but how much or little interfering signal there is on the opposite polarity.

Yes, it has been reported that SES 3 does not have the skew offset.

 

[Corrado]

separate fixed dish....problem solved

I added a separate Ku LNBF just for that reason on my fixed Prodelin pointed at 99W C band.

 

[waylew]

Beach cams DVB,Cozi DVB S2.

 

[Mr Tony]

The NBC feeds are purposely lower powered because as its been noted numerous times before we are not the intended audience
I have seen some feeds (when I had my setup) on the H side of 103W work just fine...sure it was a tad lower due to the goofy skew (and I didnt change it) but it worked fine. vertical there is usually not an issue

Here is a post (an old one) from an uplinker who deals with 103W
http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/108401-New-Member-an-uplinker?p=1047778#post1047778

Power levels are kept VERY conservative since it's designed for big dish reception. We only run about 1/4 of the transponder's actual power capacity to save the batteries on the satellite, and to minimize interference.

 

[Anole]

In Los Angeles, COZI is OTA on digital channel 4.2
Running a Magnum PI right now (11pm local, to midnight)

 

[northgeorgia]

I wonder if they have plans to expand in the OTA market? Didn't see anything on the website.

 

[Mr Tony]

they do want to expand but there are some owners who dont want it....great example is Gannett (they own USA Today and some stations) and they would rather have a crappy weather subchannel than a real one...and most Gannett stations are NBC

 

[wallyhts]

would rather have a crappy weather subchannel than a real one...and most Gannett stations are NBC

Crappy it is we have/had that on a wave-3 sub. If I remember right ts reader showed the weather channel at under 1 meg. Junk