Over the air... really?

[harshness]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 151559" data-quote="dishnet_tech" data-source="post: 4004011" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4004011" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4004011">dishnet_tech said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> And, finally, it seems the industry may be moving towards more a la carte packaging where you have a lil more control </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Dreaming of unicorns?<br /> <br /> I think you&#039;re seeing a trend that isn&#039;t there. Even the OTT offerings are often bundled and having to pay $6/month (with limited commercials) for something like CBS All Access doesn&#039;t seem economically sound.</div>

 

[ronfelder]

<div class="bbWrapper">That&#039;s strange not knowing about ota. That was the only way to watch tv before cable and satellite.<br /> <br /> Sent from my LG-H811 using the <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=284" target="_blank" class="link link--external link--favicon link--favicon--before" style="background-image:url('https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=r.tapatalk.com');" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">SatelliteGuys</a> app!</div>

 

[harshness]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 32633" data-quote="ronfelder" data-source="post: 4004052" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4004052" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4004052">ronfelder said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> That was the only way to watch tv before cable and satellite. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>You&#039;re dating yourself.<br /> <br /> Pay TV has been the best option for most for a long time. The DTV transition really drove that home.<br /> <br /> The proliferation of subchannels has done as much harm as good as the quality has suffered in many cases.</div>

 

[Juan]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 73437" data-quote="harshness" data-source="post: 4004060" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4004060" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4004060">harshness said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> You&#039;re dating yourself.<br /> <br /> Pay TV has been the best option for most for a long time. The DTV transition really drove that home.<br /> <br /> The proliferation of subchannels has done as much harm as good as the quality has suffered in many cases. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Dish network and Directv ruined quality long ago<br /> <br /> Sent from my SM-G920V using the <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=284" target="_blank" class="link link--external link--favicon link--favicon--before" style="background-image:url('https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=r.tapatalk.com');" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">SatelliteGuys</a> app!</div>

 

[ejb1980]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 374" data-quote="Juan_" data-source="post: 4004073" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4004073" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4004073">Juan_ said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Dish network and Directv ruined quality long ago<br /> <br /> Sent from my SM-G920V using the <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=284" target="_blank" class="link link--external link--favicon link--favicon--before" style="background-image:url('https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=r.tapatalk.com');" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">SatelliteGuys</a> app! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> That would be Dish. Directv has great picture, even on most locals. If a local is crappy from their studios, it will be crappy OTA and pay providers. There are many awful local channels across the country. From picture quality to local news. And the useless tickers during any weather event don&#039;t help, especially nowadays when it&#039;s rare for a sporting event to have its own. And locals that don&#039;t understand audio (2.0 vs 5.1).<br /> Premption is another issue that locals do that I can&#039;t stand. I find myself glad when a major game I want to watch is on satellite channels and not locals. I know that there will be no interruptions. I just watched the 10 episodes of &quot;Designated Survivor&quot; and 4 of them had obnoxious tickers for school closings in another state that no one cares about, even there. It&#039;s snow. In New England.<br /> <br /> Sorry. Rant over. <br /> <br /> Sent from my SM-G920V using the <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=284" target="_blank" class="link link--external link--favicon link--favicon--before" style="background-image:url('https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=r.tapatalk.com');" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">SatelliteGuys</a> app!</div>

 

[comfortably_numb]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 529" data-quote="jayn_j" data-source="post: 4003251" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4003251" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4003251">jayn_j said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> The transmitter is simply a cost of doing business these days in order to keep the license. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Could be one of the reasons why the new NBC O&amp;O in Boston is launching on a low power transmitter. That would have been absolutely unheard of 20 years ago<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Sent from my iPhone using the <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=284" target="_blank" class="link link--external link--favicon link--favicon--before" style="background-image:url('https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=r.tapatalk.com');" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">SatelliteGuys</a> app!</div>

 

[harshness]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 172489" data-quote="comfortably_numb" data-source="post: 4004197" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4004197" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4004197">comfortably_numb said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Could be one of the reasons why the new NBC O&amp;O in Boston is launching on a low power transmitter. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>There are many frequencies occupied in Boston and the surrounding area so it may simply be that they had to protect some other nearby market to get an available channel. Remember that the TV band wasn&#039;t nearly as crowded back in the day; there were more than 80 channels to choose from prior to 2009 and there are less than 50 now.</div>

 

[osu1991]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 172489" data-quote="comfortably_numb" data-source="post: 4004197" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4004197" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4004197">comfortably_numb said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Could be one of the reasons why the new NBC O&amp;O in Boston is launching on a low power transmitter. That would have been absolutely unheard of 20 years ago<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Sent from my iPhone using the <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=284" target="_blank" class="link link--external link--favicon link--favicon--before" style="background-image:url('https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=r.tapatalk.com');" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">SatelliteGuys</a> app! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> They&#039;re launching on a low power because no one else would sell them a station and they got greedy not renewing their affiliate agreement.</div>

 

[comfortably_numb]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 10999" data-quote="osu1991" data-source="post: 4004199" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4004199" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4004199">osu1991 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> They&#039;re launching on a low power because no one else would sell them a station and they got greedy not renewing their affiliate agreement. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> Makes sense, but when people depended more on OTA, they might have thought twice about it. Now they&#039;re figuring (heck, depending) on the fact that 85% of viewers will be tuning in via some other source, so the lack of signal penetration won&#039;t matter <br /> <br /> <br /> Sent from my iPhone using the <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=284" target="_blank" class="link link--external link--favicon link--favicon--before" style="background-image:url('https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=r.tapatalk.com');" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">SatelliteGuys</a> app!</div>

 

[Mister B]

<div class="bbWrapper">I also have spoken with people who remember OTA but falsely believe that it was discontinued at the time of the digital transition. <br /> On the other hand, yesterday I was at a Christmas gathering and a family received an antenna from their uncle. I presume it was known that they did not have cable or satellite. I explained that they would not necessarily receive all of the networks displayed on the box. Unfortunately, it was one of those small square amplified units and I encouraged them to try several locations near the TV.</div>

 

[Hockeynut]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 198284" data-quote="Mgsports" data-source="post: 4003191" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4003191" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4003191">Mgsports said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> The problems I see channels like ESPN,NBCSN would lose viewers like at NBA Finals,Stanley Cup,Bowl Games and so on. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>NBA Finals are on ABC and the Stanley Cup is on NBC..So all is good with an OTA setup there..Bowl games if I`m not mistaken ESPN has the majority of rights to those.</div>

 

[Hockeynut]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 68" data-quote="dfergie" data-source="post: 4003314" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4003314" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4003314">dfergie said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> I ordered a couple of the refurb Tivo OTA Roamio&#039;s during their Black Friday sale, been using mine more than my HR34 ... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Curious dfergie what kinda deal you got on those Roamios? Lifetime service?.<br /> <br /> Bought mine a year ago from Amazon for 299.00 lifetime service.RF remote comes in very handy as I am outputting the HDMI to a splitter and watch in 3 seperate rooms.</div>

 

[comfortably_numb]

<div class="bbWrapper">Don&#039;t forget, you can still use a PC running Win7 or older and Windows Media Center to DVR the OTA feeds for free... that&#039;s what I do<br /> <br /> <br /> Sent from my iPhone using the <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=284" target="_blank" class="link link--external link--favicon link--favicon--before" style="background-image:url('https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=r.tapatalk.com');" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">SatelliteGuys</a> app!</div>

 

[bcwmachine]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 172489" data-quote="comfortably_numb" data-source="post: 4004693" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4004693" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4004693">comfortably_numb said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Don&#039;t forget, you can still use a PC running Win7 or older and Windows Media Center to DVR the OTA feeds for free... that&#039;s what I do<br /> <br /> <br /> Sent from my iPhone using the <a href="http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=284" target="_blank" class="link link--external link--favicon link--favicon--before" style="background-image:url('https://www.google.com/s2/favicons?domain=r.tapatalk.com');" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">SatelliteGuys</a> app! </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Can also use Sage TV. Sage also sort of works in windows10</div>

 

[osu1991]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 152350" data-quote="Hockeynut" data-source="post: 4004680" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4004680" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4004680">Hockeynut said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Curious dfergie what kinda deal you got on those Roamios? Lifetime service?.<br /> <br /> Bought mine a year ago from Amazon for 299.00 lifetime service.RF remote comes in very handy as I am outputting the HDMI to a splitter and watch in 3 seperate rooms. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> He got in on the $199 Roamio OTA w/Lifetime deal Tivo had a few weeks ago for Thanksgiving/Black Friday. It lasted about 10 days. Wish I had bought another. I have 4 on my account now for myself, my dad and my mom. My stepsister bought one fo the $199 deals to replace her bolt when the 1 yr of service on it runs out in May.</div>

 

[Hockeynut]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 10999" data-quote="osu1991" data-source="post: 4004711" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4004711" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4004711">osu1991 said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> He got in on the $199 Roamio OTA w/Lifetime deal Tivo had a few weeks ago for Thanksgiving/Black Friday. It lasted about 10 days. Wish I had bought another. I have 4 on my account now for myself, my dad and my mom. My stepsister bought one fo the $199 deals to replace her bolt when the 1 yr of service on it runs out in May. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>Thats a heck of a deal for lifetime service.Been very happy with mine here.Came with a 500Gb harddrive.What size harddrive did the ones on special come with?</div>

 

[osu1991]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 152350" data-quote="Hockeynut" data-source="post: 4004713" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4004713" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4004713">Hockeynut said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Thats a heck of a deal for lifetime service.Been very happy with mine here.Came with a 500Gb harddrive.What size harddrive did the ones on special come with? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote><br /> 500g. <br /> With the Roamios, it is easy to replace them with up to 3Tb drives. Just take the cover off and replace the drive, reboot and Tivo will have you go thru guided setup again. Once that is done, you are ready to go with more recording space. I&#039;ve upgraded 2 of mine to 3Tb Western Digital AV drives and the other 2 I upgraded to the same WD drives but in 2Tb size.</div>

 

[Hockeynut]

<div class="bbWrapper">I tinkered around with a Mediasonic Homeworx unit for awhile and did the job with an external USB harddrive.Was not a bad setup at all but would only populate a guide for 24-30 hrs at best.Seen the Roamio last year on Amazon for 299 with lifetime and jumped on it...You guys got a great deal.<br /> <br /> Also have a Freesat V7 Combo FTA sat receiver.The Combo V7 has along with a sat tuner an ATSC tuner.Have that one connected to a 750gb hard drive.It does a fine job recording and playing back anything I have recorded OTA but the downside it will not populate an EPG..Anyway congrats on the Roamio Christmas presents!</div>

 

[harshness]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 114748" data-quote="Mister B" data-source="post: 4004628" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4004628" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4004628">Mister B said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Unfortunately, it was one of those small square amplified units and I encouraged them to try several locations near the TV. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>The mud flap antennas typically work best when mounted in a window facing the transmitters.</div>

 

[dfergie]

<div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 152350" data-quote="Hockeynut" data-source="post: 4004713" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/xen/goto/post?id=4004713" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4004713">Hockeynut said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Thats a heck of a deal for lifetime service.Been very happy with mine here.Came with a 500Gb harddrive.What size harddrive did the ones on special come with? </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div> </blockquote>I put a 3 gig in mine right off the bat...</div>