DIRECTV unlikely to keep NFL Sunday Ticket

[navychop]

All my Rokus work. Maybe missing features? IDK. Certainly haven’t noticed

 

[Jimbo]

Can I use a Roku for ST games if I already have access to ST thru my D* account with Satellite ?

 

[Juan]

All my Rokus work. Maybe missing features? IDK. Certainly haven’t noticed

They usually start freezing up

 

[Don in CT]

Can I use a Roku for ST games if I already have access to ST thru my D* account with Satellite ?

With the Sunday Ticket app yes.

 

[comp9]

I have Rokus sitting around that are older ones, they don't get updated, so you have to buy new ones if you want all your TV's covered ....
I don't use to many here now that I have Smart TVs, not enough are smart ones though.

Isn't there a max number of Streams available per App ?
Can I stream 4-5 different locations at the same time ?

Most are unlimited in your own home

 

[dtv757]

Amazon likely front-runner for multiyear NFL Sunday Ticket deal, sources say

Amazon has serious interest in the NFL's "Sunday Ticket" package as talks progress.

www.cnbc.com

Amazon is in talks to acquire the rights for the National Football League’s “Sunday Ticket” package and is seen as the front-runner by others involved in talks with the league, according to people familiar with the matter.

This is good news, Sunday Ticket will be available to a lot more people then the 15 million that subscribe to DirecTV.

The best thing is you do not have to have a pay TV service to get it.

I hope it will still be an option / available on D* not everyone has reliable broadband for streaming.


I'm not a "cord cutter " I like my Pay TV provider


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[comp9]

I hope it will still be an option / available on D* not everyone has reliable broadband for streaming.


I'm not a "cord cutter " I like my Pay TV provider


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Start complaining to Spectrum now. The day is coming

 

[Bruce]

Reading more from the link I posted, this explains way DirecTV does not want Sunday Ticket back at it’s current cost-

DirecTV has lost money on “Sunday Ticket” for many years. At its current $300 price point, DirecTV would need 5 million subscribers to break even. DirecTV has averaged closer to 2 million “Sunday Ticket” subscribers for many years, according to a person familiar with the matter. Executives at DirecTV and its majority owner AT&T have argued that “Sunday Ticket” has become increasingly diluted over the years as the NFL removes Sunday games and adds Thursday, Saturday and Monday Night games.

 

[Juan]

Reading more from the link I posted, this explains way DirecTV does not want Sunday Ticket back at it’s current cost-

DirecTV has lost money on “Sunday Ticket” for many years. At its current $300 price point, DirecTV would need 5 million subscribers to break even. DirecTV has averaged closer to 2 million “Sunday Ticket” subscribers for many years, according to a person familiar with the matter. Executives at DirecTV and its majority owner AT&T have argued that “Sunday Ticket” has become increasingly diluted over the years as the NFL removes Sunday games and adds Thursday, Saturday and Monday Night games.

Much like locals..the value is in how many subs will they gain with it and how many subs they will lose without it
Not actually about making a profit per say

 

[Bruce]

Much like locals..the value is in how many subs will they gain with it and how many subs they will lose without it
Not actually about making a profit per say

Based on DirecTV loss of 6 million subs the last 4 years, NFLST is not doing them much good.

By the way, if Amazon ( or another streaming provider) does acquire ST, I plan on subscribing to it, that way I would not have to drop YTTV to go to D*, as you would have to get ST today.

 

[Juan]

Based on DirecTV’s losing 6 million subs the last 4 years, NFLST is not doing them much good.

By the way, if Amazon ( or another streaming provider) does acquire ST, I plan on subscribing to it, that way I would not have to drop YTTV to go to D*, as you would have to get ST today.

Lets just say that if charlie ever got control of dtv..the first thing to go would be the NFLST

 

[slice1900]

Based on DirecTV loss of 6 million subs the last 4 years, NFLST is not doing them much good.

That depends on which customers are leaving. The people who consider NFLST a must have can't leave Directv. Not until it is available some other way.

 

[lparsons21]

Reading more from the link I posted, this explains way DirecTV does not want Sunday Ticket back at it’s current cost-

DirecTV has lost money on “Sunday Ticket” for many years. At its current $300 price point, DirecTV would need 5 million subscribers to break even. DirecTV has averaged closer to 2 million “Sunday Ticket” subscribers for many years, according to a person familiar with the matter. Executives at DirecTV and its majority owner AT&T have argued that “Sunday Ticket” has become increasingly diluted over the years as the NFL removes Sunday games and adds Thursday, Saturday and Monday Night games.

And that just shows how much the non-subscribers to the ticket have been subsidizing all these years. And given the relative equality between subscription rates, even the streaming subscribers are subsidizing it too, and they can’t even get it.

Given the 2.5B it is rumored that NFL wants for an exclusive contract, I personally can’t see how anyone can afford to take it on. I think in the end, if someone does get an exclusive, it will be for something much less than what NFL wants. And if it happens to end up as a standalone product it won’t be at some big higher price.

 

[Jimbo]

With the Sunday Ticket app yes.

Well, I tried today and they said it wasn't part of my package, but its clearly on my other TV, then again it was Free weekend, so I'll have to call them and see whats up tomorrow.

That said, it showed up as ON on channel 112 on the TV today ....

I downloaded the ST app on my Roku yesterday, so it is current.

If I want to watch on a Desktop computer (ST) how do you do that, the 700 channels are not part of the normal guide on the website, and you can't download an app on the desktop ?

 

[slice1900]

Given the 2.5B it is rumored that NFL wants for an exclusive contract, I personally can’t see how anyone can afford to take it on. I think in the end, if someone does get an exclusive, it will be for something much less than what NFL wants. And if it happens to end up as a standalone product it won’t be at some big higher price.

Amazon operates with different economics than Directv does.

Directv could afford to take losses on NFLST if the profit from the subscribers who only subscribe to Directv because of NFLST is more than enough to make up the difference - especially the essentially 100% market share for bars/restaurants/casinos.

Amazon doesn't necessarily need to make money from what people pay for NFLST, or from bringing in more Prime subscribers to be eligible to get it. They have a couple minutes of "local ad insertion" per hour during NFL games they can advertise products to people - targeted ads that are much more likely to work than a national ad for Apple going out to someone who has only ever bought Android phones, or an ad for the local Ford dealer going out to someone who drives a Mercedes. No company has a better idea what products people own and buy than Amazon, after all.

If they can get NFLST viewers to spend more money with Amazon they can easily make $2.5 billion work. Heck, just marketing swag for your favorite NFL team is going to get a decent number of people to open their wallets without even considering all the stuff Amazon sells.

They may also be a player for the Big Ten and Pac 12's rights that are coming up in the next couple years. Both are reportedly looking to move away from ESPN since they've gone all-in on the SEC with their new contract - that's what the "alliance" is really about. It isn't about scheduling, it has to do with reigning in ESPN's power. And the #1 way to do that is to vote against expanding the playoff until ESPN's exclusive negotiating window expires.

 

[Bruce]

And that just shows how much the non-subscribers to the ticket have been subsidizing all these years. And given the relative equality between subscription rates, even the streaming subscribers are subsidizing it too, and they can’t even get it.

Given the 2.5B it is rumored that NFL wants for an exclusive contract, I personally can’t see how anyone can afford to take it on. I think in the end, if someone does get an exclusive, it will be for something much less than what NFL wants. And if it happens to end up as a standalone product it won’t be at some big higher price.

The only ones I can see that could afford it are Amazon and Apple, both companies have lots of cash on hand, Amazon specially wants to spend to make Prime a powerhouse in Video, look how much they are ponying up for the Lord of the Rings TV Series, $500+ million.

Disney might, but only if they are guaranteed to make the money back, they still have a lot of debt because of buying 20th Century Fox and upfront costs of building up Disney+.

There is no way AT&T( or whatever company claims to own/run DirecTV) will pay that much for only 2 million subs, same for any other cable company.

 

[meStevo]

Based on DirecTV loss of 6 million subs the last 4 years, NFLST is not doing them much good.

By the way, if Amazon ( or another streaming provider) does acquire ST, I plan on subscribing to it, that way I would not have to drop YTTV to go to D*, as you would have to get ST today.

The scary number is probably the number of subs who would have never signed up to begin with, or the expected churn without NFLST.

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[Jimbo]

Amazon operates with different economics than Directv does.

Directv could afford to take losses on NFLST if the profit from the subscribers who only subscribe to Directv because of NFLST is more than enough to make up the difference - especially the essentially 100% market share for bars/restaurants/casinos.

Amazon doesn't necessarily need to make money from what people pay for NFLST, or from bringing in more Prime subscribers to be eligible to get it. They have a couple minutes of "local ad insertion" per hour during NFL games they can advertise products to people - targeted ads that are much more likely to work than a national ad for Apple going out to someone who has only ever bought Android phones, or an ad for the local Ford dealer going out to someone who drives a Mercedes. No company has a better idea what products people own and buy than Amazon, after all.

If they can get NFLST viewers to spend more money with Amazon they can easily make $2.5 billion work. Heck, just marketing swag for your favorite NFL team is going to get a decent number of people to open their wallets without even considering all the stuff Amazon sells.

They may also be a player for the Big Ten and Pac 12's rights that are coming up in the next couple years. Both are reportedly looking to move away from ESPN since they've gone all-in on the SEC with their new contract - that's what the "alliance" is really about. It isn't about scheduling, it has to do with reigning in ESPN's power. And the #1 way to do that is to vote against expanding the playoff until ESPN's exclusive negotiating window expires.

Except, the Big Ten has contracts with more than ESPN ... Fox is the Major player with the Big Ten right now.

 

[Bruce]

Except, the Big Ten has contracts with more than ESPN ... Fox is the Major player with the Big Ten right now.

Both deals are up in 2 years, from 2017-

The Big Ten formally announced its six-year partnership with ESPN and Fox Sports, a deal worth a reported $2.64 billion that industry analysts view as a victory for the conference.

Big Ten announces six-year deal with ESPN, Fox Sports worth $2.64 billion

The Big Ten formally announced its six-year partnership with ESPN and Fox Sports, a deal worth a reported $2.64 billion that industry analysts view as a victory for the conference. News of the agre…

www.chicagotribune.com

 

[slice1900]

Except, the Big Ten has contracts with more than ESPN ... Fox is the Major player with the Big Ten right now.

Yes but those contracts run out soon. The Big Ten's T1 and T2 contracts (i.e. everything except BTN) are up after the 2023 season, the Pac 12 contracts (T1, T2 and potentially T3 if they decide P12N isn't working out for them) are up after the 2024 season.

The Big Ten's T1/T2 is basically a 50-50 split between Fox and ESPN right now.

I'm sure Amazon will be an interested bidder. They clearly want to expand their presence in live sports, it just remains to be seen how quickly they want to ramp that up.