I have Energy in our Theater and love them. They're still impressing people after 4 years. We don't have the take series, but their entire line is good quality speakers.
Bose?
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Hmmm. The human ear is paricularly sensitive to the midrange...
Anyway, I had a pair of Bose 301s that rocked for many years. Dr. Bose spent a lot of time designing cabinets according to optimal airspace for free-air woofers. ( In early years)
Now, products like the Bose wave radio are extremely advanced in transmission-line technology. Can anyone sayTDL???
Cudos to true audiophiles who appreciate the now defuct TDL. Thats another discussion, but those speakers had similar baffles throughout like a car muffler that enhanced sound. The slimline wave radio is limited in it's low-end, but what would you expect. Turned up modestly it provides dynamic, flat response, in a case the size of a clock radio.
The larger wave radio provides more enhanced bass, though using a similar tiny woofer relying on a labryinth of baffles to tune and amplify the output.
Notice these units do not offer tone controls. That is because they deliver the most reasonably priced completely accuate sound reproduction known to science. That is what Dr. Bose is about. For the non-believers, any system that needs tweaking, particularly, the equalizer that has more than a few db difference between settings, has something wrong with it. If you regularly adjust bass and treble, you have no concept of sound reproduction. If you do adjust severely, there is something inadequate with your amplifier, speakers, listening environment or media, or you just don't have the ear for what I'm talking about.
The simple fact is that Bose products are designed to deliver ACCURATE sound reproduction to it's owner. This comes at a price. Equally, my favorite Polk passive-radiator speakers, which can replicate sound that challenge the limits of human perception, will NOT sound good at high volume, just like Bose, playing rap crap. If you want volume, get some imprecise CVs and fire away. For the real listener, musical tunes will be delvered beautifully by systems designed to reproduce music accurately-(The definition of high-fidelity) for those who can apreciate it. Bose needs no crossovers, no equalizers, no loudness features-they must work that in. For the record, my Nakamichi TA-4A has an override for tone controls. Do you think I use it?
Bose is for a select crowd.
Anyway, I had a pair of Bose 301s that rocked for many years. Dr. Bose spent a lot of time designing cabinets according to optimal airspace for free-air woofers. ( In early years)
Now, products like the Bose wave radio are extremely advanced in transmission-line technology. Can anyone sayTDL???
Cudos to true audiophiles who appreciate the now defuct TDL. Thats another discussion, but those speakers had similar baffles throughout like a car muffler that enhanced sound. The slimline wave radio is limited in it's low-end, but what would you expect. Turned up modestly it provides dynamic, flat response, in a case the size of a clock radio.
The larger wave radio provides more enhanced bass, though using a similar tiny woofer relying on a labryinth of baffles to tune and amplify the output.
Notice these units do not offer tone controls. That is because they deliver the most reasonably priced completely accuate sound reproduction known to science. That is what Dr. Bose is about. For the non-believers, any system that needs tweaking, particularly, the equalizer that has more than a few db difference between settings, has something wrong with it. If you regularly adjust bass and treble, you have no concept of sound reproduction. If you do adjust severely, there is something inadequate with your amplifier, speakers, listening environment or media, or you just don't have the ear for what I'm talking about.
The simple fact is that Bose products are designed to deliver ACCURATE sound reproduction to it's owner. This comes at a price. Equally, my favorite Polk passive-radiator speakers, which can replicate sound that challenge the limits of human perception, will NOT sound good at high volume, just like Bose, playing rap crap. If you want volume, get some imprecise CVs and fire away. For the real listener, musical tunes will be delvered beautifully by systems designed to reproduce music accurately-(The definition of high-fidelity) for those who can apreciate it. Bose needs no crossovers, no equalizers, no loudness features-they must work that in. For the record, my Nakamichi TA-4A has an override for tone controls. Do you think I use it?
Bose is for a select crowd.
Wow, another Bose dealer. Did you get every pro Bose talking point in? We have already covered the facts about how bad Bose is, so you can go back and reread the thread and provide any facts you might have to refute them (where is that freq response chart).
Hmm, they way I've seen it from the speaker response curves is that Bose is faking a few things to make it seem like its giving a better response. Unfortunately, its really distorting the sound quality. Do you ever wonder why Bose doesn't provide speaker response curves while most other manufactors do?
vurbano said:
Its available at all outlet malls around the country. You know the ones, where most retailers sell the damaged stuff and crap that cant sell at the retail stores. Bose puts the kool-aid in the soda at the "food court". These are the "select crowd" bose are after, the bargain shoppers looking for cheap crap for the rug rats for Xmas. Sony sells all their top shelf stuff in these outlets as well.
Late to the conversation but yes, any audiophile knows Bose is crap. They do have a couple products which don't completely suck but none of them are home theater speakers.
Huge Denon/Marantz and Paradigm fan here. Had really bad luck with Onkyo but I have heard others love them. New Paradigm Signature series is unbelievable. I'm stuck with my Reference setup until my student loans are paid off.
Huge Denon/Marantz and Paradigm fan here. Had really bad luck with Onkyo but I have heard others love them. New Paradigm Signature series is unbelievable. I'm stuck with my Reference setup until my student loans are paid off.
I don't know that bose is horrible but there stuff is gimmicky and overpriced. Some folks want to buy that "sexy" looking component and want everyone to know what they paid. For that type of consumer Bose is the ticket.
I've often heard it said "no highs, no lows, must be Bose"
Alright another reply a little later on but it seems like towards the end of this forum it's getting a little more intelligent.
Bose is famous for it's sound because with many of it's older units (301s, 901s etc. ) you get wide dispersion patterns and it's easy to fill a room with sound. To some, that is good quality audio..........to folks who know better, it's not! What Dr. Bose has done is taken poor to marginal quality components and figured out how to use them to make "decent" sound..........With the use of labyrinths, tweeters with a "vane" in front of them to direct the highs, drivers firing in multiple directions, multiple drivers etc. he has created something unique. Is it good? Not in my opinion, but if you ask anyone in their 40s who used to party a lot in the 70s, Bose is the best thing there ever was! As I recall Bose was one of the first companies that came up with the sub-sat idea with the Acoustimass. Neat idea, not "bad" sounding but for the money I could name a half a dozen or more speakers that could easily outperform them.
I guess when it comes right down to it, it's all a matter of personal preference. I think the original poster was trying to start something......and he did........it'd be like me stating that I love cheddar cheese, I'd like to hear from other people that like cheddar. If sound reproduction werent' a purely subjective thing there would be only one maybe two speaker manufacturers 'cause everybody would agree about what sounds good and what doesn't...............just my $0.02
Thanks
Alright another reply a little later on but it seems like towards the end of this forum it's getting a little more intelligent.
Bose is famous for it's sound because with many of it's older units (301s, 901s etc. ) you get wide dispersion patterns and it's easy to fill a room with sound. To some, that is good quality audio..........to folks who know better, it's not! What Dr. Bose has done is taken poor to marginal quality components and figured out how to use them to make "decent" sound..........With the use of labyrinths, tweeters with a "vane" in front of them to direct the highs, drivers firing in multiple directions, multiple drivers etc. he has created something unique. Is it good? Not in my opinion, but if you ask anyone in their 40s who used to party a lot in the 70s, Bose is the best thing there ever was! As I recall Bose was one of the first companies that came up with the sub-sat idea with the Acoustimass. Neat idea, not "bad" sounding but for the money I could name a half a dozen or more speakers that could easily outperform them.
I guess when it comes right down to it, it's all a matter of personal preference. I think the original poster was trying to start something......and he did........it'd be like me stating that I love cheddar cheese, I'd like to hear from other people that like cheddar. If sound reproduction werent' a purely subjective thing there would be only one maybe two speaker manufacturers 'cause everybody would agree about what sounds good and what doesn't...............just my $0.02
Thanks
Umm you know anyone in their 40's who partied back in the 70's was around 5- 10 years old when they partied. 1970 was 36 years ago. Perhaps you should ask a 60 year old.Inno said:
vurbano, as soon as you get the chance you whine, cry, bitch, moan and insult everyone. I've hung around here long enough before I registered to know you are a pain in the ass. You show your ignorance even with simple math. I'm 45yrs old and I partied in the 70's. Born in 1961, in 1976 I was driving my Plymouth RoadRunner listening to Uncle Ted, Kansas, Black Sabbath, etc... So just how the hell do you have to be 60+ yrs old???vurbano said:
This whole Bose issue is nonsense. The 901, 801, 501 and 301 were decent speakers in the 70/80's. They were no means the best but certainly not the worst. The problem with Bose is not their Wave radios, there are what they are, radios. The problem lies with their LifeStyle systems. If the price for LifeStyle systems were 70% cheaper then people would not complain about Bose quality. As it stands Bose is over priced for what are. I would never own anything Bose but to each their own. Damn, I should have put you on ignore a long time ago, now I'll put you there with your buddy dragon002. Good god, stupidity abound on this site lately!
vurbano said:
not really. i was born in 1959, (47) now, high school class of 1977, GO COUGARS!!.
as a senior did i party, then all through collage, you bet!! so you can be in 40's and still have partied in the 70's. dont make me older then i am please! lol BTW, i would not buy bose. TY
OH! you beat me Abyss!
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Thanks for the defence guys..................I just figured, k, I'm in my 30s and partied in the 80s, someone in their 40s probably partied it up in the 70s. As far as I know that could mean anywhere from 40-49 and the 70's did also span for 10 years. Therefore someone who's 49 right now, still technically in their 40s was 19 in 1976...............hmmm..............now dat's some complicated math for ya!
Verbango, do you have anything usefull to contribute? I gave my opinion based on knowledge and experience on the given topic, whadda you have?
Verbango, do you have anything usefull to contribute? I gave my opinion based on knowledge and experience on the given topic, whadda you have?
Sadly you can't take one data point and draw a conclusion that applies to the entire universe. Doing it with a decade shows how silly the methodology is.
Late to this thread, but I agree. Like the Mon$ter crap, Bose is way overpriced. One of the family members have a Lifestyle system and it sounds ok, but there's better stuff out there.
Recently a local Frys was remodling and they were setting up a Bose demo room. I noticed they were hooking the Lifestyle unit to an Onkyo amp in the control room (which was viewable at the time since the wall wasn't up yet) and I asked about it. I was shooed away quickly.
Recently a local Frys was remodling and they were setting up a Bose demo room. I noticed they were hooking the Lifestyle unit to an Onkyo amp in the control room (which was viewable at the time since the wall wasn't up yet) and I asked about it. I was shooed away quickly.
Geronimo said:
Geronimo said:
While I completely agree with your thinking, I do think that we're nitt-picking a little aren't we? You do understand the point I was trying to make right?
Silly methodology, yes...........perhaps I could have used a better example.
I still say that for the size, the Bose soundstation is great! My wife and I use it in our gym room with our ipods and it produces some great sound. And this is coming from someone who has recorded in some of the better recording studios, like Electric Ladyland in NYC. Granted, the price may be a bit steep, but taking into account - portability, ease of use and sound that fills the room, I'd recommend it to anyone without hesitation.
