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IMHO business interests have way too much power in this country vs. individuals. The "special interest" corporations run to Congress and get whatever copyright protections or restrictions on technology they like because they have the buck$ to buy whatever legislation they want.
Remember years ago, when cellphone companies (successfully) lobbied Congress to ban the sale or importation of scanners which could receive frequencies used by cellphone towers? News stories of how easily these "in the clear" analog signals could be intercepted were hurting their repuation. So the solution? Not invert or scramble the audio. But instead create the *illusion* of security to the customers by passing laws making the importation and sale or modification of scanner gear to listen to cellphone frequencies a serious crime.
So now, years later, when most cellphone coverage is digital and not decipherable with consumer radio gear, it's STILL illegal to listen to that "forbidden zone" of frequencies, even though it's likely that nothing would be heard.
Doesn't seem like America.
Now, imagine if the cellphone industry can ban radios from listening to signals "in the clear", how much easier it would be to ban FTA gear from receiving encrypted intellectual property? It's depressing.
The obvious solution (to me) is to modify their encryption. Maybe change keys every 4 hours or something, so that it becomes such an ENORMOUS pain to 99% of hackers, that they will tire of trying to keep up. That would actually *solve* their problem and not INFRINGE on our right to enjoy free-to-air programs like Russian TV or ethnic programming or affiliate TV, and infringe on the right of small TV and radio networks to distribute content.
Eh, sorry, I'm off the soapbox now.
IMHO business interests have way too much power in this country vs. individuals. The "special interest" corporations run to Congress and get whatever copyright protections or restrictions on technology they like because they have the buck$ to buy whatever legislation they want.
Remember years ago, when cellphone companies (successfully) lobbied Congress to ban the sale or importation of scanners which could receive frequencies used by cellphone towers? News stories of how easily these "in the clear" analog signals could be intercepted were hurting their repuation. So the solution? Not invert or scramble the audio. But instead create the *illusion* of security to the customers by passing laws making the importation and sale or modification of scanner gear to listen to cellphone frequencies a serious crime.
So now, years later, when most cellphone coverage is digital and not decipherable with consumer radio gear, it's STILL illegal to listen to that "forbidden zone" of frequencies, even though it's likely that nothing would be heard.
Doesn't seem like America.
Now, imagine if the cellphone industry can ban radios from listening to signals "in the clear", how much easier it would be to ban FTA gear from receiving encrypted intellectual property? It's depressing.
The obvious solution (to me) is to modify their encryption. Maybe change keys every 4 hours or something, so that it becomes such an ENORMOUS pain to 99% of hackers, that they will tire of trying to keep up. That would actually *solve* their problem and not INFRINGE on our right to enjoy free-to-air programs like Russian TV or ethnic programming or affiliate TV, and infringe on the right of small TV and radio networks to distribute content.
Eh, sorry, I'm off the soapbox now.
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To clarify
I forgot to point out the obvious conclusion:
Unless there is some way to 100% GUARANTEE that an FTA box is 100% un-hackable, this may threaten our right to listen to any sort of free programming and completely eliminate free programming.
It threatens free programming (especially ethnic and foreign language programs for expats, but also programming which acts like "shortwave radio" to reach out to audiences in other countries -- like DW TV, which is facinating IMHO).
So sad. I hope these providers recognize that they stand more to gain by using technology to thwart casual hacking than to run to Congress and take away yet another individual freedom from us all. And if they do succeed in it, I hope EVERY FTA advocate with ANY DSS or pay service will switch back to cable TV to punish them for it, and make sure they know how we feel.
I forgot to point out the obvious conclusion:
Unless there is some way to 100% GUARANTEE that an FTA box is 100% un-hackable, this may threaten our right to listen to any sort of free programming and completely eliminate free programming.
It threatens free programming (especially ethnic and foreign language programs for expats, but also programming which acts like "shortwave radio" to reach out to audiences in other countries -- like DW TV, which is facinating IMHO).
So sad. I hope these providers recognize that they stand more to gain by using technology to thwart casual hacking than to run to Congress and take away yet another individual freedom from us all. And if they do succeed in it, I hope EVERY FTA advocate with ANY DSS or pay service will switch back to cable TV to punish them for it, and make sure they know how we feel.
100 percent agreed to every point, Woofle.
Things will only get worse as our rights are up for sale to the highest bidder
Things will only get worse as our rights are up for sale to the highest bidder
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Lots of options that don't hurt FTA
"FTA viewing is not a crime"
Wanting to view unusual, offbeat programming and gain insight into other ways of thinking, or simply hearing programs from far away home, in a technical hobby where you learn about microwaves, satellites, and other technology, seems to be just the sort of thing we should be encouraging in this self-absorbed, appliance-oriented, plug-and-play, "I don't care how it works, just turn the key" culture. Is it any wonder we graduate so few qualified engineers born in the US and have to import much of our skilled engineering talent? We seem to be remarkably intellectually incurious for such a gadget-obsessed culture. I doubt one person in five has more than the foggiest idea how their radio works, let alone their TV, MP3 player, or personal computer.
Speaking of engineering talent, I suspect that if piracy is so widespread that it threatens Echostar's business, then the average pirate is just following a "cookbook" created by others to follow. If this is so, then it's less a question of securing the content against a determined and skilled pirate than it is to make the whole process more annoying than paying up the monthly subscription fee would be for most. Yes, determined hackers will still do it for the challenge, and high school kids on summer vacation will have the time, but your average working Joe will have a point of pain where "free" TV is so annoying to maintain that it just isn't worth the hassle anymore.
Contrast that with passing a law. Since when have scofflaws stopped breaking the law because of some theoretical chance of being caught?
But annoy them enough, and a good solid majority will probably find something else to occupy their time. Maybe try out the legitimately FTA programming and learn about the hobby and world instead of freeloading.
"FTA viewing is not a crime"
Wanting to view unusual, offbeat programming and gain insight into other ways of thinking, or simply hearing programs from far away home, in a technical hobby where you learn about microwaves, satellites, and other technology, seems to be just the sort of thing we should be encouraging in this self-absorbed, appliance-oriented, plug-and-play, "I don't care how it works, just turn the key" culture. Is it any wonder we graduate so few qualified engineers born in the US and have to import much of our skilled engineering talent? We seem to be remarkably intellectually incurious for such a gadget-obsessed culture. I doubt one person in five has more than the foggiest idea how their radio works, let alone their TV, MP3 player, or personal computer.
Speaking of engineering talent, I suspect that if piracy is so widespread that it threatens Echostar's business, then the average pirate is just following a "cookbook" created by others to follow. If this is so, then it's less a question of securing the content against a determined and skilled pirate than it is to make the whole process more annoying than paying up the monthly subscription fee would be for most. Yes, determined hackers will still do it for the challenge, and high school kids on summer vacation will have the time, but your average working Joe will have a point of pain where "free" TV is so annoying to maintain that it just isn't worth the hassle anymore.
Contrast that with passing a law. Since when have scofflaws stopped breaking the law because of some theoretical chance of being caught?
But annoy them enough, and a good solid majority will probably find something else to occupy their time. Maybe try out the legitimately FTA programming and learn about the hobby and world instead of freeloading.
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I was watching some of this guy's stuff and realized some of you may not be familiar. Basically his show is Candid Camera meets a magician. This is a comp of a few of his exploits. I first learned of him when I was out at a meeting in Denver about 10yrs ago. The men I was sitting at the table with started talking about this show and said it was one of the funniest things they had seen. When I got home I started watching it....yes, it is funny.
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This started a couple months ago. I have 2 H3s on one network, both with 2 EHD identical 3 TB seperately powered so all recordings are accessible by all 4k & J4s (8 of them).
On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!
On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!
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Thanks JohnGalt1234 - That's interesting. I wonder are the Boot Strap versions different between a Hopper 3 only and a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup as I have the later. I guess when charlesrshell is able to since he has both setups, he can do the test. Unless the bootstrap version is tied to when the specific Hopper 3 is manufactured, in my case, mines is from February 2016 when it was installed.
At least Google Search AI is saying the bootstrap version will never change and unique to each Hopper 3.
This is probably why different people seem to either have the issue or they don't because the bootstrap code could also be tied to the hardware revision and
components other than the internal HD.
At least Google Search AI is saying the bootstrap version will never change and unique to each Hopper 3.
This is probably why different people seem to either have the issue or they don't because the bootstrap code could also be tied to the hardware revision and
components other than the internal HD.
JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?
This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?
This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
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@110W.... D5
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one
Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Tony as the director.
Would you rather have LaRoche ???Tony as the director.
No. Bring in someone new.
Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...No. Bring in someone new.
Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)
Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.
Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.
It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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Please post your remote make/model here and any details of your issue. We are looking to collect as many examples as possible. I may reach out to you for your receiver number, but please do not post it here.
If you've already reported this to me, please repost it here so I can track all instances in one thread.
Thanks!
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If you've already reported this to me, please repost it here so I can track all instances in one thread.
Thanks!
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I was having similar issues last night while watching and recording the NLCS game on 148. When I tried resuming the game at one point the screen went blank and I couldn't get my H3 to respond to any remote commands. Eventually the Hopper went to a HD channel but still no remote response. After a while the Hopper went into a re-boot cycle. This happened at least 3 times. I was using an IR universal remote only.
A little frustrating to have the game broken up like that but at least the Brewers won
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