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Well today is the day that the Big Ten channel launches. It is showing active on 220 but will not have any content until 8 PM. We are almost there.
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cybok0
Who cares about the Big Ten network? I don't, here's a local news sound off about the channel.

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riffjim4069
Who cares about the Big Ten network? I don't, here's a local news sound off about the channel.

kdka.com - Video Library
Everyone important cares (me) about the BTN.;) Unless the cable and satellite providers go al a carte, many of us will continue to subsidize a great many channels that should not be on the air. Personally, I would rather pay the same price for the 15-20 channels we actively watch...just so the 200+ bandwidth wasters (Spike, FX, QVC, Sci-Fi, etc.) will be forced to stand on their own or cease to exist. Although I am a sports lover, I think it is a crime the hugely expensive ESPNs are forced down all subscribers throats...even those who don't watch sports.

Al a carte is al a smart! Let's all pay for programming we wish to receive...and nothing more!
joedekock
Al a carte is al a smart! Let's all pay for programming we wish to receive...and nothing more!

Al a no! You would actually pay more. If you want the breakdown of how that works, I would be glad to do it for you.
riffjim4069
Al a no! You would actually pay more. If you want the breakdown of how that works, I would be glad to do it for you.
There is nothing you can show me since you're not understanding the problem. You are focusing on price and not the real issue at the heart of the matter. The real issue is that customers are paying for programming they do not want, programming they do not support, and programming they may even find objectionable. Why should a customer pay to support my watching ESPN when they don't watch sports and may even find boxing and football objectionable? And why should I pay to support someone watching the MAMBLA Lifestyle Channel or the Terrorist Network when the thought of a portion of my monthly subscription going toward supporting Man-Boy Love and terrorism is reprehensible?

There is a lot of programming that a subscriber may find offensive because it glorifies violence and disrespects women by treating them in a demeaning fashion, for example. Sure, the customer can simply "lock the channel" and perhaps remove it from their guide, but why should they be paying to support this channnel in the first place? It is not fair and it is not what the majority of American's want.

In our case we subscribe to Dish Network's AT250, but we only watch 15-20 channels...and three of those are "must have" which are only available in the AT250 programming pack. Personally, I am willing to pay just as much, if not more, for programming we actually watch. Like a large number of Americans, I am not willing to pay one cent towards programming I do not watch, do not want, and do not support in any form or fashion.

While the mega-programming packs may be most cost efficient, they are certainly not the only choices that should be offered to consumers. Personally, I really like the programming tiers, programming packs, and a la carte options being offered by StarChoice satellite service in Canada. I am not against the mega-programming packs, but consumers need to have a lot more programming pack and a la carte options available to them.;)

Now, I'll be more than happy if you can show me how funds from my AT250 subscription are not going to support Sci-Fi, FX, BET, and two hundred other channels I don't want?:confused:
joedekock
There is nothing you can show me since you're not understanding the problem. You are focusing on price and not the real issue at the heart of the matter. The real issue is that customers are paying for programming they do not want, programming they do not support, and programming they may even find objectionable. Why should a customer pay to support my watching ESPN when they don't watch sports and may even find boxing and football objectionable? And why should I pay to support someone watching the MAMBLA Lifestyle Channel or the Terrorist Network when the thought of a portion of my monthly subscription going toward supporting Man-Boy Love and terrorism is reprehensible?

There is a lot of programming that a subscriber may find offensive because it glorifies violence and disrespects women by treating them in a demeaning fashion, for example. Sure, the customer can simply "lock the channel" and perhaps remove it from their guide, but why should they be paying to support this channnel in the first place? It is not fair and it is not what the majority of American's want.

In our case we subscribe to Dish Network's AT250, but we only watch 15-20 channels...and three of those are "must have" which are only available in the AT250 programming pack. Personally, I am willing to pay just as much, if not more, for programming we actually watch. Like a large number of Americans, I am not willing to pay one cent towards programming I do not watch, do not want, and do not support in any form or fashion.

While the mega-programming packs may be most cost efficient, they are certainly not the only choices that should be offered to consumers. Personally, I really like the programming tiers, programming packs, and a la carte options being offered by StarChoice satellite service in Canada. I am not against the mega-programming packs, but consumers need to have a lot more programming pack and a la carte options available to them.;)

Now, I'll be more than happy if you can show me how funds from my AT250 subscription are not going to support Sci-Fi, FX, BET, and two hundred other channels I don't want?:confused:


We may get asked to not carry on this conversation here, but I will go with it until asked to do so.

I agree wholeheartedly about paying for content you may find objectional. The only reason It costs $15 a month if you want the Playboy channel is because there are alot of people who would complain if that channel was offered in a regular package on any cable or satellite service.

What's wrong with al-a-cart is this. Right now as it stands Fox News is one of the most costly channels for any service to offer its customers. Espn falls in right after that. The last I had heard Fox News charges $.42 per subscriber for D* or any service to carry it. So D* ponie's up $.42 per its 16 million subscribers. So D* pays Fox News $6,720,000 a year to broadcast their channel on their satellite service. Let's say only 3 million of D* viewers actually tune into Fox News at all on a regular basis. (I imagine that number is not far off). So the other 13 million subscribers would never pay for Fox News in their Al-a-cart service if given the opportunity. So now if Al-a-cart is offered only 3 million customers pay $.42 for Fox News Channel. Now Fox News is only recieving $1.2 million from D* for carrying their channels as opposed to the $7.6 million they do currently. Now if that happens for all channels on all cable and satellite providers, that means the owners of these channels are losing millions of dollars because only a few million people actually watch their channels anyway. (USA Network is the most watched cable channel with an average of 5 million viewers a week).

So where are these companies going to make up for their losses on providing their channels to cable and satellite subscribers? They won't jack the price up for its advertisers, that would send them packing too. What would happen is to make up that extra $6.4 million Fox News would lose they would make their channel cost to the customer $2.23 per customer. Now if all your channels cost anywhere from $1.50 to $2.25 per channel, you add that up between how many channels you watch even on a non-regular basis. For me and the average consumer it is usually $20 or more than they pay for their current cable or satellite bill.

You can actually look at a channel like the Playboy channel as an al-acart-channel already. Because so much of the majority of people do not watch it, it is not worth bundling it into any package. So because the numbers are less than 40,000 people who subscribe to it, they need to charge $15.00 a month. It takes a lot of money to run a studio, and studio costs do not vary much channel to channel. So it costs roughly the same amount of money to be a cable channel whether you are Playboy, Fox News, ESPN, or Nikolodeon.

And that my friends is why Al-a-cart is not a good decision, and why the cable and satellite company's are fighting it. Because it is for us the consumers, not their own pocket book. They will make money either way.

Free Enterprise is what works, not the governments involvement.
stone phillips420
im sure i got bg mn game but went to it, what a laugher for the nation

im also pretty sure i was 771 for indiana game on 219 that night as mn is my territory
but didnt check away from tv
Jimbo
im sure i got bg mn game but went to it, what a laugher for the nation

im also pretty sure i was 771 for indiana game on 219 that night as mn is my territory
but didnt check away from tv

The Minn /BG game was an awesome game !!!

jimbo
stone phillips420
The Minn /BG game was an awesome game !!!

jimbo
okay, we have diff opinions
i knew i should brought my psp to that game lol, maybe next week
Jimbo
okay, we have diff opinions
i knew i should brought my psp to that game lol, maybe next week

Sorry Stone,
I live 20 minutes from BG and have a neice thats a junior down there :)
If Toledo would have played well enough to be in the game with Purdue it would have been a better weekend yet.

Jimbo
stone phillips420
Sorry Stone,
I live 20 minutes from BG and have a neice thats a junior down there :)
If Toledo would have played well enough to be in the game with Purdue it would have been a better weekend yet.

Jimbo
i went through there on way from chicago to nashville last winter following wild.

my hopes for gophers are gone i will be bringing my psp for Miami ohio next week
FlyingJ
All the games were on here.
riffjim4069
...And that my friends is why Al-a-cart is not a good decision, and why the cable and satellite company's are fighting it. Because it is for us the consumers, not their own pocket book. They will make money either way.

Free Enterprise is what works, not the governments involvement.
I agree with you regarding Free Enterprise. With the Telcos (AT&T, Verizon, Cavalier Telephone, etc.) getting into the video market, I believe consumers will have more video choices in the coming years...especially when IPTV gets a full head of steam. Unfortunately, the problem is the programmers hold "near-monopolistic control" of the marketplace, which is contrary to the public interest. Not only do the majority of consumers want more programming options, but a la carte is fully supported by the FCC and many others; even service providers such as Cablevision's Charles Dolan and Dish Network's Charlie Ergen support adding a la carte programming options...if only they could. The only groups in support of the status quo are the programming monopolies and their paid lobbyist. It's time to break up these cable programming cartels. It's a good thing that Congress decided to break-up AT&T's monoploy on the telephone industry years ago or we would still be making calls using our leased rotary phones, courtesy of Ma Ball.

Anyway, here's a good article that presents both sides of the issue.

"A recent USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll of U.S. viewers supports that argument. Of those surveyed, 54% said they would prefer to buy channels individually; 43% said they'd rather pay a flat fee for a fixed number of channels. The results challenge what the U.S. cable industry has been saying for decades: that most customers in the USA don't want a la carte programming.

Charles Dolan, chairman of Cablevision, which owns cable networks and programming, is one of the few cable operators to openly favor an a la carte system. "Fundamentally, (a la carte) would be better for the consumer," Dolan says. "And if you do something that is better for the consumer, financially and economically it's going to be better for the industry."

Charlie Ergen, CEO of EchoStar, the USA's No. 2 satellite operator, is also a booster of a la carte. "We just think it's good business to give customers what they want," Ergen says. "And what they want is a la carte programming."

It's also lucrative for cable companies. With expanded basic, companies don't have to worry about selling channels on their merits; they can just jam them into the bundle. In that one-size-fits-all system, programmers get paid even if no one tunes in.

"The main reason Disney and the others don't want to sell a la carte is because when you give customers the choice, they buy less channels," Ergen says. "Less channels mean you make less money."

Even so, Ergen says, he'd sell programming on an a la carte basis in a heartbeat — if big programmers allowed it. With the freedom to experiment, he says, operators could concoct scores of special-interest packages of content.

Confronted with a blizzard of choices like that, most people would buy lots of content. Ergen figures, "We'd make more money." There's also the fairness factor to consider, he says. "Why does a customer have to buy a package from a cable or satellite operator that has over 100 channels in it?"

Dolan goes a step further, calling expanded basic "anti-consumer." He also says it's helping to keep cable prices "artificially high."

The FCC agrees. With a la carte, its report found, "A consumer could cut his programming bills merely by electing to purchase fewer networks." Also, "A la carte could make service affordable to those who cannot afford bundled rates."

The report noted what consumer advocates have been saying for years: With a la carte, viewers would be able "to pay only for the programming they value." Because the FCC doesn't regulate programming, it can only make recommendations on how content is sold."
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Bruce
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I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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MikeD-C05
My 26 year old son doesn't want to use traditional sat or cable now and only uses streaming apps and he is not on them as much as we were with satellite, using it for back ground noise while we do other things around the house. He doesn't even care about antenna ota TV either. Mind you he had a satellite receiver in his room since he was born and didn't want one after he got to be a teenager. So I took it out. I mainly used it to load up kid shows on the Dvr , so he would be entertained while I was doing stuff around the house when he was a baby and toddler. So Gen Z will not care one bit about live TV services going the way of the Dodo bird.
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Bruce
Some interesting information was in this article-


This first-

The total pay-TV sector (traditional service providers and virtual MVPDs) shed 885,000 subscribers in Q2 2026

So with the loss of 2.03 Million in the first quarter, already at 2.915 Million gone this year, two quarters left to report.

#2-

The segment ended Q2 with 61.51 million subs comprising 27.5 million cable video subs, 21.42 million vMVPD customers, 9.56 million satellite TV customers, and 3.01 million telco TV subs.

There are approximately 133.97 million households in the United States, according to recent YCharts US Households Data from mid-2026.

That means more than 72 Million households do not have a paid live TV service, about 54% of the total.

What is worse, 7 years ago, paid live TV had over 80% of the population subscribing ( about 100 Million), almost all were Cable/Satellite customers.

Today, only about 37 Million subscribe to Cable/Satellite, less than 28% of our population.

#3-

At one time, Satellite TV (Dish and DirecTV), had about 34 Million subscribers added together, now, 9.56 Million.

That is over a 70% loss for those who subscribe to Satellite TV.

For Cable TV, not as bad, since they have broadband to help against the losses ( bundles), but as more options appear ( 5G, fiber, starlink, etc), I expect a big increase in those leaving cable.

Also expect YTTV to really start gaining even more subscribers, for those who still wish to have a live TV service, based on price point and it is a really great service.
Bruce
Looks like Optimum Communications ( formerly CableVision) is collapsing, due to it's high debt, lenders/creditors are taking over-

Bruce
Sony is discontinuing it's last 4K disc player, Panasonic has been rumored to be doing the same, the end of physical media is unfortunately, about to happen.

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navychop
Got a Sony 700 at WM dot commie.

I think.

Ordered, anyway. Amazon let me go thru entire process but then said no inventory.

Hopefully,, WM will come thru.
dishstaller
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I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


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Juan
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


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When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price
dishstaller
When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
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Juan
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
You are paying for the whole thing
T
You are paying for the whole thing
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
Juan
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
But a box can weigh more than an ounce..maybe 2...a can might weigh 5 ounces..a bag...not much
dishstaller
.a bag...not much
Well, according to the price per ounce on that first bag of coffee he mentions, that would mean the bag weighed over 6 ounces. That bag does NOT weigh 6 ounces. According to Google, an empty bag weighs half an ounce.
Juan
Well, according to the price per ounce on that first bag of coffee he mentions, that would mean the bag weighed over 6 ounces. That bag does NOT weigh 6 ounces. According to Google, an empty bag weighs half an ounce.
You need to weigh the actual bag...a deli bag weighs less than that but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...an empty tin can has some weight
NYDutch
You need to weigh the actual bag...a deli bag weighs less than that but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...an empty tin can has some weight
Products sold by the ounce, pound, etc, should always be priced for the product only. Only the shipping weight should include the packaging.
harshness
Products sold by the ounce, pound, etc, should always be priced for the product only.
Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner. ;)

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).
Jimbo
Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner. ;)

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).
I would think that all the packaging would already be accounted for ... they weigh the container, subtract that from the scale, then add the product , so its weighing the Product only
dishstaller
but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...

Obviously you didn't read my post.....google says a coffee bag weighs half an ounce. But let's say you are correct and it DOES weigh a full ounce, that would still fall 5 ounces shy for Walmart's numbers to match.
You wouldn't happen to be kin to Bernie would you
Juan
Obviously you didn't read my post.....google says a coffee bag weighs half an ounce. But let's say you are correct and it DOES weigh a full ounce, that would still fall 5 ounces shy for Walmart's numbers to match.
You wouldn't happen to be kin to Bernie would you
None of it means a hill of coffee beans...the price is the price...its not going to get any lower...as long as you pay the price on the shelf at the register..there is no crime
dishstaller
None of it means a hill of coffee beans...the price is the price...its not going to get any lower...as long as you pay the price on the shelf at the register..there is no crime
I can't BELIEVE this is being such a difficult subject. The issue isn't the price....it's the advertised price per ounce. A lot of shoppers, myself included, use the price per ounce in determining which is the better value....with that number being inaccurate, it can trick someone into thinking that one product cost less per ounce than a competing product. Is this a crime?...above my pay grade. Is it dishonest? Yes.
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Juan
I can't BELIEVE this is being such a difficult subject. The issue isn't the price....it's the advertised price per ounce. A lot of shoppers, myself included, use the price per ounce in determining which is the better value....with that number being inaccurate, it can trick someone into thinking that one product cost less per ounce than a competing product. Is this a crime?...above my pay grade. Is it dishonest? Yes.
Again it makes no difference...call the ftc and file a complaint...maybe your lawyer can file a class action lawsuit and you can collect your 25 cents
Bruce
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Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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dishstaller
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
S
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
people are moving to fiber, which is better up and down and also not Comcast.
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dishdude
people are moving to fiber, which is better up and down and also not Comcast.
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.

Cord cutting 2.0. Not just fiber, 5G is really taking a toll on the cable companies.
AZ.
AZ.
Cord cutting 2.0. Not just fiber, 5G is really taking a toll on the cable companies.
I agree, for $35 it aint perfect but just as reliable as my cable was. And that was twice as much and still rising
dishstaller
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He was 71 yrs old. One of my favorite songs is Seminole Wind....the violin is killer.


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M
I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song. Rest in peace Mr Anderson.
dishstaller
I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song.
That's one of those songs that hits a little too close to home for me. I like the song but just can't listen to it. It's kinda like that song "Daddy never was the Cadillac kind".....reminds me too much of my Grandfather who died Feb 18, 1995.
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R.I.P. I thought he was older…
M
R.I.P.
Got a few songs on my 'setup' (old cell phone with music) that I can listen to while working
S
RIP
KE4EST
R.I.P. I thought he was older…
Same here. I thought he was older......RIP
SuperDish_Fan23
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Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
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Almighty1
That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
Bobby
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
In my very early work life I installed and repaired those phones.
AZ.
AZ.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
someone is showing their age
Almighty1
someone is showing their age
LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:
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dishstaller
I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord 🤣
llokey
In my very early work life I installed and repaired those phones.
And I kept them working through the ESS offices.
Bobby
And I kept them working through the ESS offices.
The two central offices in the area I worked were actually step by step offices. :)
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I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord 🤣
Speaking about cords, I actually did drop a Trimline phone from probably 3 feet high on the floor when I was about 10 or so and it caused a small crack, this was the one with the modular jacks and it was hooked up with I think a 50 ft or longer RJ11C cable from Radio Shack. I still use the phone today connected to a Obi VoIP adapter and the cord is my custom made 6 position RJ11C, not sure of the official name for it without looking it up and Belden MediaTwist Crescent shaped Cat6+ cable.

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LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:
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so that persons in hiding lol:biggrin
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remembers when ATT had stores and leased home phones
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