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vegassatellite
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Last reply · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion
Maybe DISH ought to put up a channel that says "WE KNOW YOU ARE STEALING" and put up a special "Amnesty" number to call to turn them into subs or to the authorities, however they want to handle it. Then just encrypt it and not allow it in any subscriber equipment. That way legal FTAers don't see it and legit subscribers don't see it but the hackers will. That ought to create a couple of smelly diapers. :D
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M
can I ask why we are still talking about this? Lets talk about legit free to air and not on how to find ways to curb dish theft.

Secure the signal...there...that's the answer
truckracer
point of conversation

I think the point of this conversation is this:

The more people steal anything (not just tv) the more the goods or services cost us paying customers.

If everyone paid for their tv - our bills would be cheaper because there would be less money invested in security and equipment swaps.

If everyone paid their taxes - 35 percent of my paycheck would not be taken. I would have more "real" money to spend on cheaper goods and service = more goods and services + higher standard of living.

See .......The more wrong do-ers the more it costs me and you other honest folks trying to live a good decent life and provide for your families:(
C
A long-overdue development - ignored again

can I ask why we are still talking about this? Lets talk about legit free to air and not on how to find ways to curb dish theft.

Secure the signal...there...that's the answer

The main capability of satellite programming has once again been overlooked by the providers - true a-la-carte subscriptions. Sure, there will always be hackers, but those of us who pay to sub would like nothing better than to shell out $.50 or $1.00 per channel per month if we could specify which 50 to 100 channels we wanted. A package with one or two movie channels, a couple of distant locals from where you used to live, a single distant sports network, plus the usual popular channels. The FCC is on the satellite programmers' case about this already. Predictably, the providers immediately started to whine about how cost-prohibitive or technically difficult it would be. Rubbish, and the FCC knows it! The technology already exists in the providers' control rooms to flip a switch or press a button and voila, a single channel comes your way or disappears.
To get the channels you want, you have to literally subscribe to perhaps hundreds of others. I already pay over $100/month for two satellite services. I would gladly pay the same amount if one provider could give me most of what I want. But they'd rather spend their profits in other areas. They might not wise up until such services come through the Internet.
S
i think we are missing the point,

that tv started as a way to bring entertainment and news to peoples homes for free!!!.satillite is just another way of transmitting said signal.if i can tune my ota antenna to recieve local advertised based tv for free,why cant fta be setup the same way.TBS started as a ota broadcast advertised based station when it first came out,then cable came along.piracy will always be here as long as there are no decent free advertised based channels on fta.just like c-band in the early days,only we the subcribers and yes even the pirates can change anything,by letting our governing bodys know that we dont think that the fees we pay for television that is advertised based is fair.you know,"i'm mad as hell and i aint gonna take it anymore."piracy will go to an unheard of place cause it will be harder than subbing.ala-cart is the way satillite was ment to be sold from the start.the only way to stop piracy is to either stop charging for programing period,or secure the stream.only one choice as i see it.:cool:
Van
Van
that tv started as a way to bring entertainment and news to peoples homes for free!!!.satillite is just another way of transmitting said signal.if i can tune my ota antenna to recieve local advertised based tv for free,why cant fta be setup the same way.TBS started as a ota broadcast advertised based station when it first came out,then cable came along.piracy will always be here as long as there are no decent free advertised based channels on fta.just like c-band in the early days,only we the subcribers and yes even the pirates can change anything,by letting our governing bodys know that we dont think that the fees we pay for television that is advertised based is fair.you know,"i'm mad as hell and i aint gonna take it anymore."piracy will go to an unheard of place cause it will be harder than subbing.ala-cart is the way satillite was ment to be sold from the start.the only way to stop piracy is to either stop charging for programing period,or secure the stream.only one choice as i see it.:cool:
Your arguement invisions a diferent world than what we live in. The vast majority of pirates are the same as the vast majority of hackers, they dont do it to protest an unfair price or an unjust system, they do it for profit profit profit. Every pirate that I ever met wasnt someone who was short on money, most were living better than I was and were making alot of money off of "pirating", I never met a one that was doing it and helping others do it for free to fight "the man".
N
I think the point of this conversation is this:

The more people steal anything (not just tv) the more the goods or services cost us paying customers.

If everyone paid for their tv - our bills would be cheaper because there would be less money invested in security and equipment swaps.

If everyone paid their taxes - 35 percent of my paycheck would not be taken. I would have more "real" money to spend on cheaper goods and service = more goods and services + higher standard of living.

See .......The more wrong do-ers the more it costs me and you other honest folks trying to live a good decent life and provide for your families:(

thats 100% bs , piracy or not you will always pay more for tv , if not how come DTV keeps rasing the price , the signal is secure , so how many of you have gotten cheaper rates from DTV , none .

Not trying to justify it , just stating that its fact you would Save $0 if there signal was secured tommorrow ! Now if I'm wrong I expect my Dish bill to go down as soon as the signal is secure , and oh yea Monkeys FLy:rolleyes:
digiblur
FYI...those PirateTV channels were taken down a while back. Apparently they didn't work.
stogie5150
I don't know about y'all but I secure my DISHes with Smith & Wesson. ;)
Rendered
The main capability of satellite programming has once again been overlooked by the providers - true a-la-carte subscriptions. Sure, there will always be hackers, but those of us who pay to sub would like nothing better than to shell out $.50 or $1.00 per channel per month if we could specify which 50 to 100 channels we wanted. A package with one or two movie channels, a couple of distant locals from where you used to live, a single distant sports network, plus the usual popular channels. The FCC is on the satellite programmers' case about this already. Predictably, the providers immediately started to whine about how cost-prohibitive or technically difficult it would be. Rubbish, and the FCC knows it! The technology already exists in the providers' control rooms to flip a switch or press a button and voila, a single channel comes your way or disappears.
To get the channels you want, you have to literally subscribe to perhaps hundreds of others. I already pay over $100/month for two satellite services. I would gladly pay the same amount if one provider could give me most of what I want. But they'd rather spend their profits in other areas. They might not wise up until such services come through the Internet.


Amen to that!

I would only want about 15 channels that I like, the problem is... they know that.

tv started as a way to bring entertainment and news to peoples homes for free!!!.satillite is just another way of transmitting said signal.if i can tune my ota antenna to recieve local advertised based tv for free,why cant fta be setup the same way.TBS started as a ota broadcast advertised based station when it first came out,then cable came along.piracy will always be here as long as there are no decent free advertised based channels on fta.

All I can say is that I think FTA should have been the next media step from the OTA antenna. But unfortunately FTA is hidden from a large percent of the population (I was in that group until recently). And that is one of the reasons so many stations skip FTA and go for Dish or Direct.

I guess it is the money thing again.:(

Make money from Ads:rolleyes: or make money from ads and make people pay to see them. :eureka::dev



I was surprised to find this: :: B & L Enterprise ::
SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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HipKat
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
AZ.
AZ.
Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?
T
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
Nominal
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.
dishdude
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
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MikeD-C05
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
I had both the 921 and the 922. I used to buy them from DishDepot.com in Florida and trade in my older owned receiver towards the newest receiver. The 921 was a reboot receiver and the sling part was hit or miss. I look back on all those receivers I paid for over 25 years and I think it was just TV. If I had that money back now I would be lot richer. My Owned Hopper 3 is sitting in a drawer in my office not being used.
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dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share
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Jimbo
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

Walmart isn't the only one ...
Juan
I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f3zr37ekgKM?feature=share

When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...the product label only shows the weight of the product...I am sure if you brought your own plastic baggies to bring the product home you could get the cheaper price
harshness
Walmart isn't the only one ...
I've been seeing this more and more on Amazon. Sometimes it seems there is no way they could have arrived at the number.

What rankles me even more is Costco changing units of measure between similar products, so you have to convert them to compare prices.
dishstaller
When walmart set a price...they weigh the container and the product...
Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
b4pjoe
Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.
harshness
Meat with a bone in it. It contributes to the weight.
Bone-in is a well-known and often prized attribute. Adding the tray and the film isn't right.
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Love Every Little Thing About You - Gallery
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Where's My Thing? - Rush
harshness
I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing - Aerosmith
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Good Golly, Miss Molly - Little Richard
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Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Foxbat
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Bobby
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price? Our State Government has been doing everything it can to minimize the impact of the current situation and put a freeze on the State Taxes on fuel sales at the pump. That's why we're still under $4.00/gal. while across the border in Michigan it's much higher.
Winter blend is cheaper than Summer blend.
Bobby
Regular$5.839​
Premium$6.299​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
harshness
Does that raise, or lower, the overall price?
Winter blend is reportedly 10-30 cents cheaper, but I would point out that prices have dropped as much as 62 cents at RP.
R
· posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Every time my Dish contract comes up I weigh the options of keeping Dish or switch to streaming. Right now I can watch/record the OTA channels vis my HDHomerun. I also can stream CBS and NBC via the Paramount+ and Peacock apps. What I would need to find is how to watch the Food Network, HGTV, Syfy, USA, Hallmark channels, Great American Family, Lifetime channels plus a few more with an app or two. My current Dish bill is $118, so I should be able to get a few apps for a lot less.

Any suggestions? I would want the best picture quality and audio quality I could get.
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Former member 209992
Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Scott Greczkowski
Ok checked it out and for some reason the web server (NGINX) tried starting before the DNS resolver fully loaded. This is why it worked when I rebooted the machine.

Thanks to ChatGPT it had me change the NGINX config to prevent this from happening again.

With that said I can't prevent the ISP from doing emergency upgrades which was the cause of all of this.
navychop
Nature will develop better idiots.
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TRG
Nature will develop better idiots.
God help us.
Scott Greczkowski
I guess this is what the downtime was about.

IMG_0607.webp
Scott Greczkowski
Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
Gary Toma
Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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K
WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 21 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 21 2026 vs Oct 14 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
4​
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HD​
264​
2​
1449​
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SD mpeg4​
145​
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194​
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SD mpeg2​
433​
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RB​
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Audio​
89​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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1​
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TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
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HD​
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1​
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SD mpeg4​
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SD mpeg2​
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RB​
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Engr Work​
38​
-2​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files

NBA Updates
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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weekly Analysis for 10/21/2026:
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
M
HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
Wait…..
So even though DAZN keeps touting 'only way to see games' if you are a subscriber to Choice (like my stepdad) if an agreement is reached he can see the Wolfies on 668?
I know the Wild are in dispute and a slate is on 668-1.
Marques Brownlee
· posted in Marques Brownlee
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