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View attachment 22308Attached is a flyer that was inserted in my saturday morning newspaper on Feb 23rd. Hope this isn't a repeat topic.

Added scan of the fine print. Pretty standard.
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jerryez
Dish now claims to already have 75 National HD channels and I count abouty 40.
harshness
Tell that to the people that purchased a 921 DVR because Dish in their product advertisment and spec sheet said it would have it's "DishWire" port enabled to allow for content to be copied to D-VHS records. Dish changed their mind and never did enable the feature and people that purchased a 921 got nothing.
I wasn't aware that any 921 ever had a firewire port (none of the ones that I've seen did). I wondering if even the JVC HM-DSR100 had a firewire output.

I guess it comes down to what's important. Lack of promised support for a format that never really got out of the gates or reaching anywhere near the "up to 100" HD national channels (which was originally an unqualified 100 channels) that D* promised for 2007.

Perhaps your argument is more akin to D*'s failure to deliver on the "massive gaming league" that was promised at the 2006 CES. Maybe it was DIRECT Date. I can't remember.
rad
rad
I wasn't aware that any 921 ever had a firewire port (none of the ones that I've seen did). I wondering if even the JVC HM-DSR100 had a firewire output.

I guess it comes down to what's important. Lack of promised support for a format that never really got out of the gates or reaching anywhere near the "up to 100" HD national channels (which was originally an unqualified 100 channels) that D* promised for 2007.

Perhaps your argument is more akin to D*'s failure to deliver on the "massive gaming league" that was promised at the 2006 CES. Maybe it was DIRECT Date. I can't remember.

Can't help it that you weren't aware if that problem, it was an issue especially to people that spent $1K on a 921 and then more money on a D-VHS deck and then have E* drop the feature. Just in case you don't believe me here's a couple old threads about E* having the feature on the 921:

921 Dishwire/Firewire activation? [Archive] - DBSTalk.Com
921 Firewire Ports Will Never Be Enabled? [Archive] - DBSTalk.Com
921 / 6100 Firewire Will Never Happen [Archive] - Digital Forum

The point of my 921 example was that E*'s done this before with saying one thing then doing something else and folks have said sue E* and you'll win on cases like this and it never happens.

As for your D* channel count garbage, I guess D* hired the same person that counts HD channels for E*.
harshness
Can't help it that you weren't aware if that problem, it was an issue especially to people that spent $1K on a 921 and then more money on a D-VHS deck and then have E* drop the feature.
I was hoping for a PDF or press release. I'll keep looking.

I still challenge you to compare promises of programming delivery to the failure to deliver products like the HMC debuted at the 2005 CES.
rad
rad
I was hoping for a PDF or press release. I'll keep looking.

I still challenge you to compare promises of programming delivery to the failure to deliver products like the HMC debuted at the 2005 CES.
You're still missing the point, which is usual for you. The point is that people spent hard dollars on E* hardware based on information provided by E*, so far nobody's purchased a HMC so they haven't purchased something then had promised functionality removed.

Here's a thread by Scott with the specs on the 921: Specs on Dish PVR 921 and JVC TU-9000 HD PVR's! - DBSTalk.Com
harshness
You're still missing the point, which is usual for you. The point is that people spent hard dollars on E* hardware based on information provided by E*, so far nobody's purchased a HMC so they haven't purchased something then had promised functionality removed.
So this would be more like when D* put text in the HR20 manual saying that the receiver could record three live streams and it cannot? If we dive a little deeper, we recall that the R15 was supposed to get VOD a couple of years ago. Are these not widely desirable features?

Both companies suffered CSRs that were telling customers that their flagship HD DVR could be software upgraded to MPEG4. We know how to treat information from CSRs and big box salespeople, but that's another story. Both companies are guilty of promising interactive features on a number of their receivers (possibly including the 921) that never came to fruition.

I think the links to previews and reviews are neat, but you still haven't provided any evidence of DISH Network saying that DISHWire was coming to the 921. Everything you've provided has come from Scott and other Satguys members. I did some checking of my own on DISHWire and had to go back to September 2003 to find a press release from DISH Network regarding its inclusion in the 921.

DISH Network Expands High-Def Offerings; HD Leader Packages Four Channels, Prepares Rollout of Receivers | Business Wire | Find Articles at BNET.com

Scott announced it dead a year or so later and explained that the port had been removed in later production models.


There's a pretty substantial difference between what individuals were told at trade shows and previews and what is advertised. DISH didn't advertise that you could plug in a USB keyboard into the 921, but it is a cool feature nonetheless.
rad
rad
So this would be more like when D* put text in the HR20 manual saying that the receiver could record three live streams and it cannot? If we dive a little deeper, we recall that the R15 was supposed to get VOD a couple of years ago. Are these not widely desirable features?

Both companies suffered CSRs that were telling customers that their flagship HD DVR could be software upgraded to MPEG4. We know how to treat information from CSRs and big box salespeople, but that's another story. Both companies are guilty of promising interactive features on a number of their receivers (possibly including the 921) that never came to fruition.

I think the links to previews and reviews are neat, but you still haven't provided any evidence of DISH Network saying that DISHWire was coming to the 921. Everything you've provided has come from Scott and other Satguys members. I did some checking of my own on DISHWire and had to go back to September 2003 to find a press release from DISH Network regarding its inclusion in the 921.

DISH Network Expands High-Def Offerings; HD Leader Packages Four Channels, Prepares Rollout of Receivers | Business Wire | Find Articles at BNET.com

Scott announced it dead a year or so later and explained that the port had been removed in later production models.


There's a pretty substantial difference between what individuals were told at trade shows and previews and what is advertised. DISH didn't advertise that you could plug in a USB keyboard into the 921, but it is a cool feature nonetheless.

IIRC, the HR20's manual was just a mistake, if you looked at the outside of the HR20's box (and I have two very early in the cycle HR20-700's and their boxes) it says it can record two programs. If you want to be technical it can record three programs at once, two from DBS/ATSC and one additional one from DoD. As for the R15 getting DoD, it's been mentioned in their financial chats that the DVR Plus receivers would have DoD but DoD has never been an advertised feature of the R15 or mentioned in any of their manuals.

You want to be technical about links for my 921 statement, it has been 4 years and nothing's on the E* web site announcing it. But some more links to back up what I said:

http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-ne...ssions/6160-s-official-no-firewire-921-a.html
http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-ne...speaks-about-921-firewire-dishwire-ports.html
http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-ne...speaks-about-921-firewire-dishwire-ports.html

In the 2nd link even Scott calls them a lier about this. Scott did have a link to a PDF scan of the original spec sheet but that link doesn't work anymore. IN the 3rd link someone was asking E* about a recall of the 921's or offering a discount on the rumored 922 so that shows the box was shipped with the port there. The 921 was shipped with this hardware there to be enabled at a later date but E* found a hardware problem that prevented that from happening.

Now for technical links, please provide the links where DirecTV advertised DoD coming to the R15 or the HR20 advertised being able to record three programs at once?

I think we can both agree that CSR's are many times incorrect in the infomation provided to their customers. But that's different from a company selling something as a feature that will be coming, here's the hardware port on the back of the box and here's the D-VHS decks you can use with it, and then saying we can't make this work, never mind and we're not going to offer any compensation.
H
IIRC, the HR20's manual was just a mistake, if you looked at the outside of the HR20's box (and I have two very early in the cycle HR20-700's and their boxes) it says it can record two programs. If you want to be technical it can record three programs at once, two from DBS/ATSC and one additional one from DoD. As for the R15 getting DoD, it's been mentioned in their financial chats that the DVR Plus receivers would have DoD but DoD has never been an advertised feature of the R15 or mentioned in any of their manuals.

You want to be technical about links for my 921 statement, it has been 4 years and nothing's on the E* web site announcing it. But some more links to back up what I said:

http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-ne...ssions/6160-s-official-no-firewire-921-a.html
http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-ne...speaks-about-921-firewire-dishwire-ports.html
http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-ne...speaks-about-921-firewire-dishwire-ports.html

In the 2nd link even Scott calls them a lier about this. Scott did have a link to a PDF scan of the original spec sheet but that link doesn't work anymore. IN the 3rd link someone was asking E* about a recall of the 921's or offering a discount on the rumored 922 so that shows the box was shipped with the port there. The 921 was shipped with this hardware there to be enabled at a later date but E* found a hardware problem that prevented that from happening.

Now for technical links, please provide the links where DirecTV advertised DoD coming to the R15 or the HR20 advertised being able to record three programs at once?

I think we can both agree that CSR's are many times incorrect in the infomation provided to their customers. But that's different from a company selling something as a feature that will be coming, here's the hardware port on the back of the box and here's the D-VHS decks you can use with it, and then saying we can't make this work, never mind and we're not going to offer any compensation.
HA E* Compensation Never!! E* talks so much crap about what their going to do,and never do it., If BS was worth money Charlie would have had them Satellites in the sky long ago.
Harshness:
Since I've been a customer of E*the added 8 HD channels. And he's also taken away a number of channels,and put some in a Higher packages. Every BS Fee as gone Up ,PPV has gone up,VOOMs is nothing but same 10 repeats since last October,Their Protection and Upgrade plans are a joke, CSR's can't even recite the english alphabet, Charlie can't answer his own questions about his own company, Or even count, If he even knows what business he's in. Since September Directv has giving me 80 more HD channels,Lots of Free equipment,free programming Free DOD,CSR's that can recite the English alphabet. Has even put some excisting channels into lower packages, (Outdoor network) What break through does Dishnetwork have. Beside a price increase across the board. He Knew D* been in the process for years on increasing HD and interactive . And Charlie has done nothing untill Directv Launched the first 25 HD channels. He's answer back with 8 and the Crappiest VOD that ever excisted!
whatchel1
Facts 1st.

E* talks so much crap about what their going to do,and never do it., If BS was worth money Charlie would have had them Satellites in the sky long ago.

1. D* stated for a couple yrs new HD & D* ppl had to wait. 2. Sats not launched has nothing to do with Charlie. E* had a sat ready to go but it has had to sit and wait months. Reason all launches were stopped after a rocket blew up. So in around a week the E* bird will be going up. It will be deployed and working a few weeks later. Then we will see the HD channel race start up again. Facts b4 mouth in motion tend to work better than ranting.
unionturf
Dish now claims to already have 75 National HD channels and I count abouty 40.

That's why I left them last week...can't get a straight answer from anyone. Also pissed me off that I had to got to a 250 channel package just to get the V/S channel.
H
1. D* stated for a couple yrs new HD & D* ppl had to wait. 2. Sats not launched has nothing to do with Charlie. E* had a sat ready to go but it has had to sit and wait months. Reason all launches were stopped after a rocket blew up. So in around a week the E* bird will be going up. It will be deployed and working a few weeks later. Then we will see the HD channel race start up again. Facts b4 mouth in motion tend to work better than ranting.
He could have planned sooner. No one said the satellites delayed launch was his fault. But Directv has put up 3 going for 4 in the past 2-3 years. Whats Charlie done since then? Taking over VOOM was a satellite TV break through? You see how demanding Voom is? 2 Providers in the entire USA, Yea I'm sure all the other providers are kicking themselves in the a#$ for not having intrest in voom.:rolleyes: His intensions suck. Don't be surprised the day Directv buys Dishnetwork. Maybe then Voom would be good! I more month and I'm DONE!
tigerfan33
Don't be surprised the day Directv buys Dishnetwork. Maybe then Voom would be good! I more month and I'm DONE!


LOL. Hemi. You have been talking to Swanni about the buyout deal haven't you??

Voom sux right now, not because it is on Dish. Do you really think that if Direct would get a hold of Voom that Voom would turn to gold?:rolleyes:

I have some swamp land in my backyard that I will sell you for a good price.:D
jansan
Voom sux because they "Rainbow Media" can not be added to cable subscribers. Voom is suing Dish because Dish subs might downgrade to lower HD package that does not include VOOM. VOOM needs more subs to survive. Dish and VOOM marriage is showing signs of stress. Dish wanted their satellite and their HD programming in the beginning. DISH is the leader in HD and will "soon" be the leader in HD.
H
LOL. Hemi. You have been talking to Swanni about the buyout deal haven't you??

Voom sux right now, not because it is on Dish. Do you really think that if Direct would get a hold of Voom that Voom would turn to gold?:rolleyes:

I have some swamp land in my backyard that I will sell you for a good price.:D
:D
SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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HipKat
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
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AZ.
AZ.
Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?
T
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
Nominal
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.
dishdude
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
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Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Take It To The Limit - The Eagles
harshness
Take It To The Limit - The Eagles
The two instances of "The" should have been highlighted.

Take
Me to the River - Talking Heads
dishstaller
Blinded By The Light - Manfred Mann's Earth Band
Bobby
I Saw The Light - Todd Rundgren
long_time_Dish
Little Bit Of Light - Strange Weather
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EatMyVolts
A Little Bit of Soap -- The Jarmels
Peter Parker
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
No idea what improvements might be involved.
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bookworm370
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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Foxbat
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Here's the one I need:
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dishstaller
Here's the one I need:
Just ordered one....that's great.
jsmit86
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
long_time_Dish
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
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Almighty1
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
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dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in What's Cooking?
We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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TRG
TRG
Two Chicago style hot dogs and a Fanta orange soda.
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Little mini pepperoni pizza, green beans, apples and chocolate milk.
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dfergie
Fanta orange soda.
Sitting in fridge cooling off, bought 1 along with 2 Mexican Cokes at La Tienda... (I keep a few cokes stashed as well as in fridge and camper fridge)
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Garlic cheese bread
Green beans
Apples
Chocolate Milk
Some weird noodles. ;)
(They have salad and a couple other fruits if wanted)
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TRG
Club sandwich and corn chowder. Iced tea.
dfergie
Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)
dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed
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Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner
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The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
Source Gateworld
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dfergie
The Tokra pt 1, I know pt 2 will be next...
(came across on Pluto tv live, went to media server for "clean" version)
R
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
osu1991
long_time_Dish
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
Bobby
Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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Bobby
MLB, Brewers at Dodgers, Thursday 10-15, 6PM PDT, Channel 148-02.
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CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
Bobby
NASCAR, Freeway Insurance 500, Sunday 10-18, 12PM PDT, Channel 148-04.
Bobby
CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
Bobby
CFB, Ole Miss at Texas, Saturday 10-24, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
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Ramy
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
Foxbat
Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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Jimbo
They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.