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Last reply May 4, 2008 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

How long will it take Dish to pull Sky Angel's bandwith

Simple question, what are your bets?

How long will Sky Angel content remain uplinked at 61.5

Monday, March 31st (last day) Tuesday, April 01 Wednesday, April 02 (uplink day) It will be more than 3 days...

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mike123abc

May 2, 2008

The big broadcast nets have the power to demand payment for retransmission, so why not, it is free money to the station. The smaller stations have to demand must carry, since who would pay for the infomercial are us channel? But, when Dish carries a market they have to carry all the channel and they cannot discriminate on the bit allocation or reception equipment (remember Dish lost that fight too where they put the big ones on 110/119 and minors on wings). Dish cannot provide a single dish solution that does not carry all the must carry stations (i.e. say you can get everything on the eastern arc but if you want indyX channel you have to put up a second dish pointing at 110/119).

With HD they got the FCC to approve a plan of phased in carriage. They can put the big networks up for now but eventually they will have to carry all the smaller stations that demand must carry in HD too, even if it is just upconverted SD infomercials.

vegassatellite

May 2, 2008

mike123abc said:
The big broadcast nets have the power to demand payment for retransmission, so why not, it is free money to the station. The smaller stations have to demand must carry, since who would pay for the infomercial are us channel? But, when Dish carries a market they have to carry all the channel and they cannot discriminate on the bit allocation or reception equipment (remember Dish lost that fight too where they put the big ones on 110/119 and minors on wings). Dish cannot provide a single dish solution that does not carry all the must carry stations (i.e. say you can get everything on the eastern arc but if you want indyX channel you have to put up a second dish pointing at 110/119).

With HD they got the FCC to approve a plan of phased in carriage. They can put the big networks up for now but eventually they will have to carry all the smaller stations that demand must carry in HD too, even if it is just upconverted SD infomercials.

All stations in a market must be accessible from the same dish for the same resolution. That means no splitting locals across two separate dishes. However, those stations don't have to be on the same dish as national programming.

mike123abc

May 2, 2008

vegassatellite said:
All stations in a market must be accessible from the same dish for the same resolution. That means no splitting locals across two separate dishes. However, those stations don't have to be on the same dish as national programming.

That is true, but my point is that Dish cannot start offering a single service dish pointed east offering just some of the channels in a market. If they want a single dish pointed towards the Eastern arc they will have to copy all the SD channels over to meet the SD must carry requirements.

vegassatellite

May 3, 2008

mike123abc said:
That is true, but my point is that Dish cannot start offering a single service dish pointed east offering just some of the channels in a market. If they want a single dish pointed towards the Eastern arc they will have to copy all the SD channels over to meet the SD must carry requirements.

Eastern Arc is intended for the HD service. Also, DISH can just carry the HD version of each local and just have the receiver down-res it to SD if need be to eliminate duplicate channels. They just have to make sure that any receiver intended for Eastern Arc has the ability to receive the MPEG4 8PSK signal.

TalonDancer

May 3, 2008

vegassatellite said:
Eastern Arc is intended for the HD service. Also, DISH can just carry the HD version of each local and just have the receiver down-res it to SD if need be to eliminate duplicate channels. They just have to make sure that any receiver intended for Eastern Arc has the ability to receive the MPEG4 8PSK signal.

Hmmm... then I wonder why Dish is up-linking wads of MPEG4 SD Locals onto the spot beams on 61.5??? See this thread for examples.

Talon Dancer

vegassatellite

May 4, 2008

TalonDancer said:
Hmmm... then I wonder why Dish is up-linking wads of MPEG4 SD Locals onto the spot beams on 61.5??? See this thread for examples.

Talon Dancer

They have capacity on the spot beams for locals. Perhaps they don't have HD locals deals inked yet for many of the channels they are uplinking. The transition may take place later as those HD channel contracts are negotiated.

TalonDancer

May 4, 2008

vegassatellite said:
They have capacity on the spot beams for locals. Perhaps they don't have HD locals deals inked yet for many of the channels they are uplinking. The transition may take place later as those HD channel contracts are negotiated.

Check the up-link lists for locals at 61.5 and you will find both SD & HD MPEG4 Locals for the same DMAs. IIRC, in some cases, both the SD and HD Locals are already available on 110/119. IOW the up-link evidence so far points to Dish providing BOTH SD & HD Locals using MPEG4 for the EA. Of course, most of the SD Locals up-linked to 61.5 are not yet available. So Dish could change/rearrange them at any time

Talon Dancer

TNGTony

May 4, 2008

Not too long ago the following SD channels were uplinked to 61.5
ESPN ch 9424 ESPN 140 32 61.5° E*3 MPEG4 (1)
ESPNews ESNWS 142 32 61.5° E*3 MPEG4 (1)
ESPN Classic ESPCL 143 32 61.5° E*3 MPEG4 (1)
ESPN 2 ch 9425 ESPN2 144 32 61.5° E*3 MPEG4 (1)
ESPN U ESPNU 148 32 61.5° E*3 MPEG4 (1)
Cable News Network CNN 200 32 61.5° E*3 MPEG4 (1)
The Weather Channel TWC 214 32 61.5° E*3 MPEG4 (1)

Former member 501

May 4, 2008

TalonDancer said:
Check the up-link lists for locals at 61.5 and you will find both SD & HD MPEG4 Locals for the same DMAs. IIRC, in some cases, both the SD and HD Locals are already available on 110/119. IOW the up-link evidence so far points to Dish providing BOTH SD & HD Locals using MPEG4 for the EA. Of course, most of the SD Locals up-linked to 61.5 are not yet available. So Dish could change/rearrange them at any time

Talon Dancer

I am not sure how accurate that is. They originally labeled five channels as SD versions of NYC channels. Four of them then went online as the HD spotbeam channels (replacing conus hd) and the remaining one is now marked as HD but not available. So perhaps they will not offer the SD version where the HD version is available.

TalonDancer

May 4, 2008

tnsprin said:
I am not sure how accurate that is. They originally labeled five channels as SD versions of NYC channels. Four of them then went online as the HD spotbeam channels (replacing conus hd) and the remaining one is now marked as HD but not available. So perhaps they will not offer the SD version where the HD version is available.

I assume you are referring to..

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CHNG  6300  WABC  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE HD MAP 7
  TO  6300  WABC{NEW YORK, NY} MPEG4 HD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE HD MAP 7

CHNG  6301  WCBS  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE HD MAP 2
  TO  6301  WCBS{NEW YORK, NY} MPEG4 HD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE HD MAP 2

CHNG  6302  WNBC  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE HD MAP 4
  TO  6302  WNBC{NEW YORK, NY} MPEG4 HD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE HD MAP 4

CHNG  6303  WNYW  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE HD MAP 5
  TO  6303  WNYW{NEW YORK, NY} MPEG4 HD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w AVAIL HIDE HD MAP 5

which were changed from SD to HD before they were made available on the 24th.

The question is what is going to happen to...

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 ADD  8085  WJAL{HAGERSTOWN, MD}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 68

 ADD  8086  WHAG{HAGERSTOWN, MD}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 25

 ADD  8105  WWOR{SECAUCUS, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 9

 ADD  8106  WNET{NEWARK, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 13

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 ADD  8108  WXTV{PATERSON, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 15 Spot 16 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 41

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 ADD  8158  WUVP{VINELAND, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 65

 ADD  8159  WWSI{ATLANTIC CITY, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 62

 ADD  8161  WNJS{CAMDEN, NJ}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 23

 ADD  8162  WYBE{PHILADELPHIA, PA}  MPEG4 SD Tp 13 Spot 15 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 35

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 ADD  8447  KITU{BEAUMONT, TX}  MPEG4 SD Tp 9 Spot 13 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 34

 ADD  8573  WFTC{MINNEAPOLIS, MN}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 11 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 23

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 ADD  8576  KTCA{ST. PAUL, MN}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 11 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 2

 ADD  8577  KSTC{MINNEAPOLIS, MN}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 11 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 45

 ADD  8580  KTCI{ST. PAUL, MN}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 11 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 17

 ADD  8583  KAWB{BRAINERD, MN}  MPEG4 SD Tp 3 Spot 11 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 22

 ADD  8654  WMYT{ROCK HILL, SC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 55

 ADD  8655  WJZY{BELMONT, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 46

 ADD  8656  WTVI{CHARLOTTE, NC}  MPEG4 SD Tp 11 Spot 17 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 42

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 ADD  8694  WTTA{ST. PETERSBURG, FL}  MPEG4 SD Tp 7 Spot 12 Rainbow 1 61.5w UNAVAIL HIDE MAP 38

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and others like these. I guess time will tell.

Talon Dancer

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Song Name Game Part 3!

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So let the game continue!

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

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Example:

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Another example:

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JSheridan

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Last reply Today at 2:09 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

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MikeD-C05

Sep 26, 2026

I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH and then if you can't see the western arc you go with streaming versions and then they could keep customers if they had good internet speeds. I mean Sling TV could be changed to Streaming DISH TV if they wanted since both companies are under Echostar. Then you would still be able to use your ota antenna with Air TV devices like I do with Air TV Anywhere with 4 ota tuners.

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Scott Greczkowski

Sep 26, 2026

MikeD-C05 said:
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH

I have the same wish.

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Strega

Friday at 10:01 PM

Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

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Jimbo

Friday at 11:17 PM

Strega said:
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.

Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

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Mister B

Saturday at 7:35 AM

Jimbo said:
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.

I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 10:40 AM

Mister B said:
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.

can't forget the little blue m&m's

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charlesrshell

Yesterday at 11:23 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
can't forget the little blue m&m's

That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

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bnewt

Yesterday at 3:30 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I have the same wish.

Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

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NYDutch

Yesterday at 7:40 PM

bnewt said:
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite

DISH will happily sell them a Starlink system and service.

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 8:12 PM

Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:01 PM

telstar_1 said:
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink

Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.

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telstar_1

Today at 12:08 AM

But how is it reusable if it's disposable

slow_poke_pete

Today at 2:09 AM

charlesrshell said:
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!

My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh

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dishstaller

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Last reply Today at 1:03 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Well crap....Donnie Iris died today

RIP dude. Always liked his music. He was 83

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH5Arbm47IQ

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dishstaller

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Today at 12:39 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Yosemite HD

This video was put up shortly after I was able to take my family out to Yosemite in 2011. No AI.

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dishstaller

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Last reply Yesterday at 11:41 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Might want to watch this before you buy a new vehicle battery

Love this guy's channel. Looks like Walmart has thrown in the towel when it comes to conventional car batteries.

I bought a new AGM battery from Walmart about a year ago, it is already needing replacing. I thought about just buying a regular battery but from what I've read, that might not be a smart move. Might check my Forscan program and see if I can change the battery type from AGM.

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harshness

Sunday at 11:33 AM

When you need a battery, you need a battery.

If you can wait, new technologies are on the not-too-distant horizon.

You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.

dishstaller

Sunday at 12:53 PM

harshness said:
You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.

Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.

The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.

Jimbo

Sunday at 1:01 PM

dishstaller said:
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.

The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.

And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

My last AGM (using now) I got from O Rielly's, its the Super Start ... I got the Platnium, they had several to choose from.

telstar_1

Sunday at 1:14 PM

He sounds like he's trying to sell me a pocket hose.

I just had to replace a car battery this week and thought I'd look into LiFePo4. Amazon has plenty of them, but all have top posts and only one 'also' has side connections (Group 75).Then I read that they're really lousy in the cold. So, an AGM, but again, almost nothing with side terminals instead of top. In researching that, I read that most mfrs in recent years have dropped side terminals and gone back to the old top posts, which is surprising to me since those are more corrosion-prone, cause the battery to need more space and are generally more hazardous. Finally I just threw up my hands and bought a regular lead-acid at Sam's Club. They had a Group 75 "Duracell" with side terminals only. It was virtually the only such battery with side posts on their shelves

arlo

Sunday at 2:20 PM

Had a Die Hard in my folks cellar for over 6 years. Pulled it out, slapped it on a charger for a day. Put it in my 'Cuda and drove it around for a week of my vacation. Next year, the same. But my dad kept it topped off for me.It was a mid 80's battery in early 1990.

Flooded acid batteries like a float voltage of around 13.5-13.8 voltage.
AGM needs a float of 14.2 volts. So if you slap an AGM in where a flooded was. It never gets a full charge.
"Why do they die so fast?" Question answered. There are folks who sell voltage regulators for alternators that are designed to boost float voltage for AGM batteries.
The other way around? Flooded will gas-off a little at 14.2 volts. But seems to tolerate it pretty good.

Lithium car/bike/atv batteries. After 3 batteries in my Harley. The OEM flooded and two AGM's (before the 14.2 volt float requirement to let them live was learned). I bought a lithium for it. 4 year, no gripe warranty after having it tested by an approved store.
The thing started like Thor himself sent a bolt from the sky. Except......try to start it around freezing? Nope. Needed a heating pad.
And I usually like to park it around events in the evening with the parking light on. Looks cool like that.
We could traipse around for a few hours no worries. Hop on, fire it up, and go putt around.
Lithium? A Dakota Lithium at least. The BMS shuts it right down if it discharges below <something>.
Come back. Parking lights off. Won't start. And you know the rest. But it lasted 6 years. A lot better than 'new every two'. And the fact that powersports batteries are warranted for six, maybe nine months. Ludicrous.

I called Noco. Asked all of the right questions. Great warranty. Save some bucks ordering directly, faster service that the wally world alternative.
They addressed (or claimed over the phone) that the shut down was addressed. Sure. The BMS keeps it form being damaged. But if it is shut down because it does become low. Shut down any load (key on, parking or headlights left on) for 10-15 minutes and you get a second try to start your rig. Not a bad thing if it really works. Right?!

Exide, Interstate? Be very afraid. They ain't what they used to be. In Florida my '70 Cutlass had an Interstate (early 90') that lasted 6 years until it dropped its plates at an intersection and boiled over. In Florida, mind you. The last Interstate.....done in 2. Guys down there would suck out the acid and put water in shortly before the warranty ran out. Make it to the auto parts, get them tested. And get a new one pro rated. No more pro rating.
You can't beat an Odyssey. Napa, AC Deco (the better ones). Yup.
The mom and pop Car Quest only sells Die Hard. For a reason, the old man says. So they convinced that a Die HArd Platinum was the hot ticket for me. l will see. Stand by!

You can't cut Mr. Project Farm down. He does great tests of all sorts of things. Not sponsored and pressured to slap a little sugar on his comparisons and reviews. Compared to the Brits and Aussies with their constant overzealous and same sounding (Dave from EEVblog) rant. I like P-Farm a lot. Of course I like AvE (Boltr) too.
Reminds me to beware when wearing shorts around the garage vice.

Opinions may vary.

harshness

Yesterday at 9:17 AM

Jimbo said:
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

The days of the 84-month warranty appear long gone, regardless of brand or where you acquired it. Warranties tend to be shorter, with much greater dependence on quick prorating.

The big problem for lead-acid batteries (whether flooded or AGM) is that the US no longer produces lead (the last smelter closed in 2013) and must import it.

Recycling covers a good chunk of the need (~70%), but it isn't free.

EarDemon

Yesterday at 11:32 PM

I've always got regular OEM Ford Motorcraft batteries from the dealership and have never really had an issue. On my old Lincoln Aviator (the SUV from the early 00s, not the CUV of today), I had some phantom drain and went though a few batteries, but that was an anomaly and with the standard warranty I got free replacements. Taking the Aviator out of the picture, I've bought two batteries in my 24 years of driving. One battery replacement in my Mountaineer, one in my Navigator. But I probably would have had another one had I kept it around longer. Didn't have the Bronco long enough, and so far still on the factory battery for my Expedition.

I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner. I'm in Buffalo, 90 degree summers and 0 degree winters. Once in a while in the dead of winter I'll get an alert from the Ford app saying remote features have been disabled to conserve battery, but it starts right up.

dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:41 PM

EarDemon said:
I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner.

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Ramy

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Last reply Yesterday at 11:12 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:22 PM

AI Overview

College Football Playoff bracket, schedule, scores, rankings ...

The 2025–26 College Football Playoff concluded with the Indiana Hoosiers winning the national championship by defeating the Miami Hurricanes 27–21. [1, 2, 3]

Playoff Results Summary
The 12-team playoff bracket featured the following key results across each round: [1]

- First Round: Alabama defeated Oklahoma (34–24), Miami (Fla.) beat Texas A&M (10–3), Ole Miss topped Tulane (41–10), and Oregon defeated James Madison (51–34) at higher-seeded campus sites.
- Quarterfinals: Miami (Fla.) upset Ohio State (24–14), Oregon shut out Texas Tech (23–0), top-ranked Indiana rolled past Alabama (38–3), and Ole Miss edged Georgia (39–34) across the New Year's Six bowls.
- Semifinals: Miami (Fla.) advanced past Ole Miss (31–27) in the Peach Bowl, while Indiana dominant-defeated Oregon (56–22) in the Fiesta Bowl.
- National Championship: Indiana secured the title with a 27–21 victory over Miami (Fla.) at Hard Rock Stadium. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Unfortunately, there was not rankings listed in this summary

AZ.

Yesterday at 9:38 PM

And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 9:49 PM

AZ. said:
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

I think they are actually discussing the Top 8 get a Bye this time, if they go to 24.
Then again, I heard something about Play in games for the 16-24 teams ...

Nothing is official yet, so lots of moving parts ...

Can't wait, lets do 24, 3 years later they will want 32 :sick

Yespage

Yesterday at 9:59 PM

AZ. said:
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.

While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.

Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:12 PM

Yespage said:
While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.

Once the 24 gets here, there won't be anymore Conference Championships .... or so they say.

Oh what the hell, we really don't need Conferences anymore either ... :coco